Return to Unfiction unforum
 a.r.g.b.b 
FAQ FAQ   Search Search 
 
Welcome!
New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.
Website Restoration Project
This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.
Announcements
This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.
This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.
  

The time now is Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:09 pm
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)		 View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum
Calendar
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: General » GAME: PoTC and Volvo
[LOCKED] [DISCUSSION][QUESTIONS] On the game's rules and cheating
View previous topicView next topic
Page 2 of 6 [77 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Next
Author Message
Karnaj
Greenhorn

Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Posts: 8

 		Really and truely it doesn't matter too much until the final puzzles. Because that will sort the people who are just collecting the answers and who are working through the puzzles.

Karnaj

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:44 am
 View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
 Back to top 
frube
Guest


 		well thats ok then so hopefully my hard work will pay off! I think ill have sort out my pages of notes first though! Cheers!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:55 am
 Back to top 
yoznarf
Guest


 		Does anybody else find as much BULL**** going on here as I do? What is the point of even trying to win if some computer geek can look at all the puzzles ahead of time andthen enter them in right away as soon as the site lets them. Or if you are in the US, you just go to the Jap site or UK site and get to look at everything ahead of time also. This is supposed to be a game of thinking, not who can cheat the best. I can tell you right now that the guy that wins this car will only have done it by cheating. I will continue to wait for my e-mails and only play at the times intended. Hopefully, Volvo will be gracious enough to disqualify all persons that are cheating. It would be nice if they sent an e-mail to all of us with their answer on cheating. If the website is available 4 hrs before the e-mails are sent out and the first 3 in the US log in the final answer 5 sec's after it becomes available and 4 hrs before the last e-mail is even sent, Volvo would have to know that these people were cheating.
As i said before, I will continue to play the game as it was intended. If there is not some concrete evidence that the cheaters were disqualified then i'll be forced to get violent if I ever see that car on the road. Evil or Very Mad

EDIT - removed offensive wording. Please refrain from further outbursts in the future. - SG

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:57 pm
 Back to top 
msmail
Guest
yoznarf wrote:
Does anybody else find as much BULL**** going on here as I do? What is the point of even trying to win if some computer geek can look at all the puzzles ahead of time andthen enter them in right away as soon as the site lets them. Or if you are in the US, you just go to the Jap site or UK site and get to look at everything ahead of time also. This is supposed to be a game of thinking, not who can cheat the best. I can tell you right now that the guy that wins this car will only have done it by cheating. I will continue to wait for my e-mails and only play at the times intended. Hopefully, Volvo will be gracious enough to disqualify all persons that are cheating. It would be nice if they sent an e-mail to all of us with their answer on cheating. If the website is available 4 hrs before the e-mails are sent out and the first 3 in the US log in the final answer 5 sec's after it becomes available and 4 hrs before the last e-mail is even sent, Volvo would have to know that these people were cheating.
As i said before, I will continue to play the game as it was intended. If there is not some concrete evidence that the cheaters were disqualified then i'll be forced to get violent if I ever see that car on the road. Evil or Very Mad


There's so much wrong with this, I don't know where to start.

First, nobody (that I am aware of) has gotten the answers in advance. At best, they've gotten the text hint to get on an island, and the clue to solve the puzzle. They can't see the entire puzzle, nor can they work on it. You still have to figure out the riddle, and solve an increasingly more complex puzzle to get coordinates to move on.

While you can start working earlier at the other countries sites, you can't enter it on the US site (the only one that matters for US contestants) until a certain time. I can almost guarantee that the "final answer" will not be something sent out via email. They may send out an island access password, but you'll have to work through several puzzles from there.

Just because someone is more dedicated than you are, doesn't mean they're cheating.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:51 pm
 Back to top 
Max Steele
Unfettered


Joined: 26 Apr 2005
Posts: 456
msmail wrote:
yoznarf wrote:
Does anybody else find as much BULL**** going on here as I do? What is the point of even trying to win if some computer geek can look at all the puzzles ahead of time andthen enter them in right away as soon as the site lets them. Or if you are in the US, you just go to the Jap site or UK site and get to look at everything ahead of time also. This is supposed to be a game of thinking, not who can cheat the best. I can tell you right now that the guy that wins this car will only have done it by cheating. I will continue to wait for my e-mails and only play at the times intended. Hopefully, Volvo will be gracious enough to disqualify all persons that are cheating. It would be nice if they sent an e-mail to all of us with their answer on cheating. If the website is available 4 hrs before the e-mails are sent out and the first 3 in the US log in the final answer 5 sec's after it becomes available and 4 hrs before the last e-mail is even sent, Volvo would have to know that these people were cheating.
As i said before, I will continue to play the game as it was intended. If there is not some concrete evidence that the cheaters were disqualified then i'll be forced to get violent if I ever see that car on the road. Evil or Very Mad


There's so much wrong with this, I don't know where to start.

First, nobody (that I am aware of) has gotten the answers in advance. At best, they've gotten the text hint to get on an island, and the clue to solve the puzzle. They can't see the entire puzzle, nor can they work on it. You still have to figure out the riddle, and solve an increasingly more complex puzzle to get coordinates to move on.

While you can start working earlier at the other countries sites, you can't enter it on the US site (the only one that matters for US contestants) until a certain time. I can almost guarantee that the "final answer" will not be something sent out via email. They may send out an island access password, but you'll have to work through several puzzles from there.

Just because someone is more dedicated than you are, doesn't mean they're cheating.


I understand what he's saying, but he didn't say it quite right.

What's happening here is Europe, Asia, etc... are getting the ability to do these puzzles hours before the U.S. gets it.

Each region is getting one person chosen to be a finalist, with the U.S. getting three people.

If the answers come out from Europe, Asia, etc... before the U.S. has the ability to complete the final puzzles, and people from those regions post the solves, then the second the U.S. is able to start doing the final puzzles, there will be people who don't solve anything, but simply take the coordinates and the solve from the other regions and instantly input it into the game. Then the first three people in the U.S. to complete it really didn't "complete" anything, they just took the answers that were already stated from regions who already figured it out.

Yeah, it's messed up. And this is Volvo's fault. It needs to be a worldwide release of the next section of puzzles, and it isn't.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:08 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
donshlong
Greenhorn

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 9

 		More dedicated to cheat using a Flash De-complier... I too think the people whoo are geting the codes ahead of time are cheating because somene figured out the vase and stars puzzle within 30minutes of it being published.

I saw somewhere I cant remeber the site where they posted a picture of the vases, a few days before it was publishe last night.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:18 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
strayern
Boot

Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 15

 		maybe it is someone who works for vovo. to through us off or something. i would hate to think people are cheating, get the email before the rest of us do. i'm in usa. i didn't get my email till a few hours ago because my computer doesn't like this game and i had to clean out my cookies shut down my computer, to even to get the email.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:26 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
msmail
Guest


 		It's true that people solved both puzzles in half an hour, because neither puzzle was terribly difficult. The jars took thought, but simple brute force could solve the stars.

Not trying to be a jerk about it, I was banging my head aganist those jars for awhile too. It just comes quicker to some people.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:36 pm
 Back to top 
yoznarf
Guest
msmail wrote:
It's true that people solved both puzzles in half an hour, because neither puzzle was terribly difficult. The jars took thought, but simple brute force could solve the stars.

Not trying to be a jerk about it, I was banging my head aganist those jars for awhile too. It just comes quicker to some people.


You must be dilusional. There is proof on this very website from 3 different posters showing they had access to areas far beyond the one we were all waiting on the e-mail for. They were in these areas 2 days ago! All they have to do is access these areas ahead of time as they are and they are a shoe in to beat everyone else. May the best computer geek win!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:26 pm
 Back to top 
msmail
Guest


 		The only "proof" that someone was "in these areas" was a picture of the two vases with a letter and a number. What did that tell you? That there were going to be two vases with snakes, letters and numbers on them? Cause that's what it told me.

I suppose if I saw someone post all the images from the island past IMT and a complete explanation of how to get the coordinates from those images, then I would be concerned. 'Til then, it's no big deal.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:36 pm
 Back to top 
Dis-Gust
Guest
Quote:
I understand what he's saying, but he didn't say it quite right.

What's happening here is Europe, Asia, etc... are getting the ability to do these puzzles hours before the U.S. gets it.

Each region is getting one person chosen to be a finalist, with the U.S. getting three people.

If the answers come out from Europe, Asia, etc... before the U.S. has the ability to complete the final puzzles, and people from those regions post the solves, then the second the U.S. is able to start doing the final puzzles, there will be people who don't solve anything, but simply take the coordinates and the solve from the other regions and instantly input it into the game. Then the first three people in the U.S. to complete it really didn't "complete" anything, they just took the answers that were already stated from regions who already figured it out.

Yeah, it's messed up. And this is Volvo's fault. It needs to be a worldwide release of the next section of puzzles, and it isn't.


Quote:
What's happening here is Europe, Asia, etc... are getting the ability to do these puzzles hours before the U.S. gets it.

Thats right, as the long lat measurements are centered on the US !! lol

Quote:
Each region is getting one person chosen to be a finalist, with the U.S. getting three people.


^Kind of begs the question, why are you whining about the other regions getting it first if they only have 1 person each ?!?!


I guess really those that are on this site are complaining didnt really go and do it for themselves anyway. Myself included.

Get a grip on your little reality !

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:36 pm
 Back to top 
BIGFATPARTYANIMAL
Boot


Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 52
Location: BELFAST

 		I THINK UR WRONG!!!!
yoznarf wrote:
msmail wrote:
It's true that people solved both puzzles in half an hour, because neither puzzle was terribly difficult. The jars took thought, but simple brute force could solve the stars.

Not trying to be a jerk about it, I was banging my head aganist those jars for awhile too. It just comes quicker to some people.


You must be dilusional. There is proof on this very website from 3 different posters showing they had access to areas far beyond the one we were all waiting on the e-mail for. They were in these areas 2 days ago! All they have to do is access these areas ahead of time as they are and they are a shoe in to beat everyone else. May the best computer geek win!


These people did not have access to the puzzles before any of us and they r certainly not from Volvo!

I take u only have a basic understanding of how computers work!

[EDIT] Deleted two of the three duplicate posts, and please refrain from needless taunting or insults... let's keep the peace and play nice. --Giskard

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:57 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
tpublic
Boot


Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Posts: 36
Location: US

 		[DISCUSSION][QUESTIONS] On the game's rules and cheating
donshlong wrote:
More dedicated to cheat using a Flash De-complier... I too think the people whoo are geting the codes ahead of time are cheating because somene figured out the vase and stars puzzle within 30minutes of it being published.

I saw somewhere I cant remeber the site where they posted a picture of the vases, a few days before it was publishe last night.

That was probably me, I'll admit I got a head start on the vases and spun them around like an idiot until other players got at it. Like usual, the polite comment hinted here was that it wasn't as hard as it looked.

It would seem that none of the puzzles (sans Bermuda) would benefit from decompiling, as there are no static images with the solutions on them. Even the fragments from Helena still needed to be put together (and all but the '1' were trivial to find). Having screen shots of St Mary would offer no more help than the player who clicks three times to see them all. Decompiling St Helena would actually set a cheater back, as the coordinates on the rungs are drawn as fonts.

The real issue certainly seems to be the inconcistency with the timings of the regions. Being able to "play" the Japanese puzzles first is clearly a fallacy, even if it's in a language that is not commonly known. Having the UK puzzles available before the US puzzles is flat out asinine. And sending the emails out way past the puzzle start time is clearly the poor planning that folks notice first.

If it helps comfort anyone, I noticed the URLs to the XML files changed from /us/_flashContent/08PulauJong to the less-guessable /us/_flashContent/giublawroebrlaclutoeswoustoako. The next couple of rounds will be tight.

EDIT - clarified topic information - SG

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:48 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
makkystyle
Boot

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 12

 		Drawing...
I could be wrong, but....

I believe there is a certain amount of allotted time to complete the game. I'm pretty sure that it is not going to be the first one completed, because then Volvo and PoTC open themselves up to hackers, insiders, etc.

I bet that when the time is up, all of the people who successfully completed the puzzle would then be placed in a drawing where the winners (the 7 who will continue) will be selected at random. This makes the most legal sense, and is consistent with other games like this I have been involved with (anyone remember BMW's Z4 hunt?).

I don't think sharing hints or clues will in anyway hinder someones chances... except maybe that the pool gets bigger.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:30 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
rose
...and then Magic happens


Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Posts: 4117
Quote:
I could be wrong, but....

I believe there is a certain amount of allotted time to complete the game. I'm pretty sure that it is not going to be the first one completed, because then Volvo and PoTC open themselves up to hackers, insiders, etc.



Actually the rules are very clear about how the potential finalists will be chosen.

Quote:
5. WINNER SELECTION: The first three (3) Entrants to successfully complete all fifteen (15) Puzzles and submit the correct final answer, will be deemed a Potential Finalist.


in the event of a tie: you get to write an essay!

Quote:
In the event more than three (3) Entrants successfully complete all fifteen (15) Puzzles and submit the correct final answer at the same time, the tied entrants will be required to submit an essay in 100 words or less why he/she should compete in The Final Leg. The Essay will be judged based on the following criteria: Originality and Creativity: 0-25 points. In the event less than three (3) Entrants submit the correct final answer by The Hunt deadline, the first twenty-five (25) Entrants who successfully completed all fifteen (15) Puzzles but did not submit the correct final answer will be required to submit an essay in 100 words or less why he/she should complete in The Final Leg. The Essay will be judged based on the following criteria: Originality and Creativity: 0-25 points. All Essays will be judged by a panel of judges whose decisions are final and binding as they relate to The Hunt.



After a person is a Potential Finalist, they have to answer questions and have a map to submit before they are certified as Finalists.

And about the emails:
Quote:
The real issue certainly seems to be the inconcistency with the timings of the regions. Being able to "play" the Japanese puzzles first is clearly a fallacy, even if it's in a language that is not commonly known. Having the UK puzzles available before the US puzzles is flat out asinine. And sending the emails out way past the puzzle start time is clearly the poor planning that folks notice first.



The rules say:
Quote:
A series of Riddles and Clues will be sent to you via emails. Once an email is sent, the Riddle and Clue will also be available at The Hunt website


So it seems that you don't need to wait for an email to access the riddle and clue.

And if there is a technical problem causing someone to not get an email or be able to submit an answer - that is just too bad.

Quote:
The Sponsor and Related Entities assume no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, spam blockers, and any and all blockers, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failures lost or unavailable network connections, telephone connections, unauthorized human intervention, traffic congestion, incomplete or inaccurate capture of submission information (regardless of cause) or failed incomplete, garbled, jumbled or delayed transmission which may limit or restrict an entrant's ability to receive e-mails about The Hunt or to submit correct answers within The Hunt website



Good Luck with the contest everyone.
_________________
I love this site for being free, in every sense of the word~Spacebass

Mankind was my business, the common good was my business.~ Dickens

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:05 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 2 of 6 [77 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Next
View previous topicView next topic
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: General » GAME: PoTC and Volvo
Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group