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Sylvia
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Thanks, and your right Rogi

I just went with Sabik because of it's meaning and of this
Quote:
Listen now as we call the names of those who have gone before
and Sabik mean preceding one

And
Quote:
to mark the way

Sabik also means show the way and it could very well be pointing to that the Pipe Nebula

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AWESOME Summary!!! You are a ghoddess!
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i'll probably get blasted for this but here goes anyways:

my own personal opinion is that it is possible that the pages we have so far have not been found in the proper order.

We found them in this order: corax --> ophiuchus --> mercury --> ????

on corax, we have "ieros topos" which although fits in in the big picture, was not used in reaching ophiuchus.html

the numbers on ophiuchus decodes to "a death by hand of a saint fhom the heavens he fell". we're assuming it's lucifer that's being refered to. yes, he did fall from heaven, but as far as I can tell there was no "death by the hand of a saint". in any case i feel that the lucifer - mercury link is somewhat weak. lucifer = morning star, but "morning star" is more often used to describe Venus than Mercury.

so in my mind, the steps from corax--> ophiuchus and from ophiuchus --> mercury are both a bit of a stretch.

i'm thinking the order might be corax --> ??? --> mercury --> ophiuchus --> ????

blast away Wink

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No arguments here, grumpyboy. I've been wondering that since my faux pas in finding Plato a 2nd time. Even little clues like the naming convention of the "M" pictures support that we may be "out of order". I also think there may be many pages in-between.
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
No arguments here, grumpyboy. I've been wondering that since my faux pas in finding Plato a 2nd time. Even little clues like the naming convention of the "M" pictures support that we may be "out of order". I also think there may be many pages in-between.

but there are no pictures between M13 and M19... .doesn't mean we're finding things out of order just means linking it to the naming convention doesn't seem to work...
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grumpyboy wrote:
the numbers on ophiuchus decodes to "a death by hand of a saint fhom the heavens he fell". we're assuming it's lucifer that's being refered to. yes, he did fall from heaven, but as far as I can tell there was no "death by the hand of a saint".


Could it be a double reference with the "a death by the hand of a saint" part referring to someone like Saint George the famous dragonslayer? And following on that, Draco. A constellation near Hercules.

EDIT: there is reference to Saint Mercury (A Roman soldier) killing Julian and Barmas.
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If we did find pages of the trail out of order (I think that might be the case, too), then "ieros topos" might just be sending us back to where we left off before the email was sent out . That being http://www.mystes.com/hiramabif.html , with the picture of King Solomon's Temple; a sacred place. Bang Head

edit: to fix the link

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Sylvia
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Okay, not wanting to get too deep into religion here but then I guess Mithraism is a religion, I want to clear the air on the "a death by hand of a saint, from the heavens he fell."

If you had read my last post closely, you would have noticed:
Quote:
At this point Goldranger started entering the traditional names on the mystes.com site and got mystes.com/ophiuchus
which gave us another puzzle. Though it had a mistake on the second line where an 8 should have been an 18...etc..


And as for the saint go here
Code:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)
The link want work right on the post so you will have to copy and paste it into your browser address bar.


Now Michael (greek Hermes, roman Mercury) didn't actually kill the devil but one could say being cast form heaven is as good as being dead.

As far as the morning star goes the devil is referd to as the morning star and yes that is usually Venus but at times so is Mercury.
When venus didn't work I tried mercury and it worked, so who cares how we got there as long as we did.

And yes we could be missing a page related to the IEROS TOPOS so here are some links that might help. I don't feel like reading through them right now myself.

MITHRAS AND THE HYPERCOSMIC SUN

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&rls=GGGL%2CGGGL%3A2006-17%2CGGGL%3Aen&q=Mithraism++topos&btnG=Search

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Sylvia wrote:

When venus didn't work I tried mercury and it worked, so who cares how we got there as long as we did.

And yes we could be missing a page related to the IEROS TOPOS so here are some links that might help. I don't feel like reading through them right now myself.



I think what grumpyboy was saying is, the picture on mercury.html looks to him like the constellation ophiuchus. So if the answer to mercury *is* ophiuchus, then we need to solve ophiuchus. So in that case if would matter solving the puzzle trail in the correct order. Wink
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enaxor wrote:
I think what grumpyboy was saying is, the picture on mercury.html looks to him like the constellation ophiuchus. So if the answer to mercury *is* ophiuchus, then we need to solve ophiuchus. So in that case if would matter solving the puzzle trail in the correct order. Wink


yup, that's what i was saying. i'm glad somebody understands me Laughing

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
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EDIT: there is reference to Saint Mercury (A Roman soldier) killing Julian and Barmas.



Also:
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Mercurius of Caesarea M (RM)
(also known as Mercury)
Died in Cappadocia, c. 250. All that is really known of St. Mercury is that he was a real martyr. Pious fiction makes him the son of a Scythian officer in the Roman army, who became a soldier himself, and led the army to a great victory with a sword an angel had given him in a battle against the barbarians attacking Rome. He fought so well that he gained the eye of Emperor Decius, which was not a blessing when he hesitated to make a thanksgiving sacrifice to Artemis. When the emperor asked him why he did not participate in sacrifices to the gods after the victory, Mercury proclaimed his Christianity. After torture and angelic visions, Decius sent Mercury home to Caesarea in Cappadocia, where he was tortured and beheaded for his faith.
Another legend says that Saint Basil the Great learned in a dream that St. Mercury was sent from heaven to kill Emperor Julian the Apostate in Persia in 363.

He was venerated as a warrior saint since the 6th century and is reputed to have appeared at various times in history to lend his sword to worthy causes, notably, with Saint George and Saint Demetrius, at Antioch during the First Crusade (Attwater, Benedictines, Delaney, Encyclopedia)

St. Mercury is portrayed on horseback piercing Julian the Apostate with a lance (from a vision of St. Basil). Sometimes the angel is shown bringing him the miraculous sword. He is venerated in the Eastern Church (Roeder).

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Sylvia
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Interesting Tidbit

Just an interesting tidbit:

In MageSteff quote is this line"
Quote:

He fought so well that he gained the eye of Emperor Decius, which was not a blessing when he hesitated to make a thanksgiving sacrifice to Artemis.


Artemis is also know as Diana:
http://www.controverscial.com/Greek%20Mythology.htm#Artemis
Quote:

Artemis is the daughter of Zeus and Leto and the twin sister of Apollo. She is a nature goddess but also a goddess of the hunt and wild animals, she is often depicted with a stag or a hunting dog. She was the huntress of the gods and the protector of the young, and like her brother Apollo she hunted with silver arrows. Artemis was a virgin goddess and a goddess of chastity, but later in her guise as the Roman goddess "Diana", she was not so chaste.


http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Artemis.html

A note on IEROS TOPOS this could also be EROS (Cupid) and ITOPOS but probably not.
Quote:

The identities of a topos are those of a category, defined by a map
i:O->M. An *itopos*, or topos with inclusions, extends the notion of
identity to a preorder on the objects as a subcategory of the topos.
An *extensional* itopos makes this a partial order.

Taken form here: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/catlist/1999/choice-etc

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With the posting of the new mrleeds YouTube video "History", I've come to a speculation that the mercury image is a palimpsest.

You can read my post regarding how I came to this conclusion here:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15661

Here's a wikipedia entry on what a palimpsest is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest

As to figuring out how to retrieve the original image from this document, I'm stumped. The closest I've come to a method to do this I found on this page:
http://www.cis.rit.edu/people/faculty/easton/k-12/exercise/sld001.htm

Unforunately, I am extremely bad with both math, and digital image processing. My eyes tend to glaze over. Maybe someone with more talent in those areas will be able to make some progress.

Something that is a stretch, but does lend credence to the fact that this may be a palimpsest is the image name is m13p.jpg. Maybe p for palimpsest?

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OK, from the e-mail that was recieved by many of us from initiatesoneSPLATmystes.com (discussed here:http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15711) we ended up at:

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www.mystes.com/lost

This is an ASCII image (with a lot of it being colored into the white background) made up of a phrase from the poem in http://www.mystes.com/ophiuchus, that phrase being "A death by hand of a saint From the heavens he fell" However, if you look at it closely, some of the repetitions of the sentence are misspelled. If you take the letters that don't belong, they spell voice1.


Which leads to:

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www.mystes.com/voice1

This also generates
www.mystes.com/voice2
www.mystes.com/voice3
www.mystes.com/voice4
www.mystes.com/voice5
www.mystes.com/voice6

These are a bunch of pages with some paragraphs which seem to be an excerpt from something. In addition, they are on a black background shading on each letter which looks like they should be put in order to make a picture.

Something seems missing though if you google a part of the text, which led me to http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/gar/gar13.htm. All the lines referring to Simon are not included in the Voice pages.


Which finally leads us to:
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www.mystes.com/simon

This looks like voices1-6 with the Simon lines added in to make a picture of what appears to be the Mask of Knowledge that Sarah made!


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Glad I had legal sized paper! It does look very much like the knowldege mask - without the pillars over the eyes - at least that is how it is drawn in Sarah's blog.

Did we ever get pictures of the masks other than the couple of sketches in the blog?

[edit] forgot to add, great job goldranger!

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