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LazarusLong
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Don't know if it will help, and I don't have time to join the chat right now as I must run again, but the text in the message:

La Regino renkontos je la dua (est)

Translates to:

The Queen encounters at/on the second (is/are)


I'm getting better at this esperanto stuff!
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celina63
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The Hunt So Far

OK, here's what I know that has happened as of Saturday night:

1.) Friday afternoon - The first Queen's email with horoj.jpg has been solved. When I sent the email, I asked (in Esperanto) "How long must I wait?". Horoj.jpg was the answer to that question - 20 hours from the time I recieved the answer (which was approx. 12:30PM PT).

2.) Friday night - the Mad Hatter was found at www.mirlandano.com. At first he wasn't saying much Smile but he was alot more communicative later. Clicking on the Hatter brings you to one of 4 backgrounds - italian, german, french, and esperanto. Along with these backgrounds are encryptions of the background names - French is a phone code, Esperanto is ROT6, German is base64, and italian is morse code. Also are 24 pictures, labeled 1 through 24, all from Alice in Wonderland. Lastly, there is a text box and a "submit" button. Entering anything into this box and clicking the submit button, you're redirected to the main Google page. Hmmm... ?

3.) Saturday night (at least when *I* found out about it) - the Hatter is now redirecting to specific sites. No rhyme or reason to them that I can assertain... they are:

a.) The online Oxford English Dictionary - http://www.oed.com/

b.) 2 different online Alice In Wonderland texts - http://www.classicallibrary.org/carroll/alice/index.htm and http://www.sabian.org/alice.htm

c.) the main Google page

d.) a base 64 encoder - http://www.opinionatedgeek.com/DotNet/Tools/Base64Encode/

e.) a "page not found" error from the University of Southampton website - http://www.soton.ac.uk/%257Escp93ch/morse/index.html?http://www.soton.ac.uk/%7Escp93ch/morse/alphabet.html

f.) TOEFL - the official website for the Test of English as a Foreign Language - http://www.toefl.org/

g.) Common Errors in English - http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/

h.) the ROT decoder in Unfiction

i.) a morse code decoder - http://www.babbage.demon.co.uk/morseabc.html

j.) some sort of foreign language gallery, the picture shown being called "Rot6 36x48" - http://www.diegalerie.org/galerie/rot/rot6/rot6.html

k.) and on occasion, www.karetao.com/mirlandano/index.asp, which reports an HTTP 500 error - Internal Server Error

... while I was compiling this list, I *did* notice a correlation - the decoders appeared on the corresponding encrypted pages (i.e. the "italian - morse" page redirects to the morse code decoder page). Other than that, I haven't seen any other correlation.

OK, that's what *I* know. Any other observations made, please post 'em!

C
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celina63
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loko - motion

Checking out loko.jpg - since "loko" is Esperanto for "location", I'm assuming this is *where* we're supposed to *meet* the Queen... so I'm also assuming this will translate into a web address. Here are the cards:

AH 3H 4S 2H 3H JS JH 6S 4H AH 5S 10H 8H 8S 8H 7H 9S 6H 4H AS

Notice, only Hearts and Spades... no Diamonds or Clubs.

I'm thinking a simple substitution will reveal a web address... but that's pure spec. Smile

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sapagoo
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just catching up from Friday.
I finally figured out the background for both jpg's from the Queen.

It's the game board for Sequence, a card game.
You can look online for rules, etc. The Jacks are wild, which is why there aren't any on the board.

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sapagoo
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Following up with what Celina posted
and trying to group the sites:

3 English sites.
)The online Oxford English Dictionary - http://www.oed.com/
) TOEFL - the official website for the Test of English as a Foreign Language - http://www.toefl.org/
) Common Errors in English - http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/

2 different online Alice In Wonderland texts -
) http://www.classicallibrary.org/carroll/alice/index.htm
) http://www.sabian.org/alice.htm

)the main Google page


) a base 64 encoder - http://www.opinionatedgeek.com/DotNet/Tools/Base64Encode/
But Only from the page with the Base 64 background.

) morse code from the University of Southampton website - http://www.soton.ac.uk/~scp93ch/morse/index.html
) a morse code decoder - http://www.babbage.demon.co.uk/morseabc.html
But Only from the page with the morse code background.

) the ROT decoder in Unfiction
) some sort of foreign language gallery, the picture shown being called "Rot6 36x48" - http://www.diegalerie.org/galerie/rot/rot6/rot6.html
But Only from the page with ROT in the background.

) Phone Spell http://www.phonespell.org/phoneSpell.html
But Only from the page with the numbers in the background.


FWIW

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jayepmills
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sequence

Hello all !

Well, isnt this a fun way to pass the waiting time before Acheron starts !

Anyways, I was thinking that the loko.jpg background, the "sequence" game board, is a hint. Maybe there is something to the sequence the cards are in. Notice that they go in order 2 hearts, 1 spade, 2 hearts, 1 spade except between Jack of spades, jack of hearts and 6 of spades. Maybe we need to figure out what is missing. Or maybe placing markers on the Sequence game board corresponding to the cards and it will reveal something.

just some spec
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jayepmills
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Check the source code on the mirlandano.com site. Interesting hint
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
languagesarenothingbutwordsandwordsarenothingbutnoisecodesarealwaysencodedunlesstheyredecodedsandspacesarentpunctualmuchlikemewhenicantfindmyhatsorryaboutthatbutwhatsortofhatterwouldibeifimnotwearingahat

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sapagoo
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UPDATE and partial solve

UPDATE and partial solve

okay, before 5 est (give or take) there were new kickouts.

numbers, more alice kickouts, and other web pages.
For example, tear.org, croquet.org, caucus.com

those new kickouts were strange in that they are single names, which happen to be partial matches to chapters in Alice.

which falls apart when you get humptydumpty.com with 18.gif
since there are only 12 chapters in Alice, and humpty dumpty is the 6th chapter of "Through the Looking Glass", it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that of the 24 gifs, we're using Alice and Looking Glass.

so, it's now painfully obvious that the #'s that show up (a picture of an 11, a picture of a 3, a picture of an Cool match the gif, and that it matches the chapter kickout.

so, (with help from #unfiction) it seems that the # and the "code" is important, so instead of trying a chapter that is long (like Pool of Tears), I hit refresh until I get gifs 22 or 23 (one word Chapter names of Shaking and Waking).
I get 23.gif, so now I just need to decode/code the word Waking.
My background is the ROT of the word Esperanto, ROT 6 to be exact.
I try QUECHA (ROT-20), and Quecha, and quecha.
Then I try CGQOTM (Rot-6) - nothing.
then cgqotm , and BINGO.

http://www.karetao.com/mirlandano/aos.html
which gives us the letter W.
So, long story even longer....
when you get to a page, the GIF is the chapter #, we take the title and encode/decode it using the encryption of the background.
and combine the results into a chart.

Feel free to add, and we'll make a chart. 96 different combos? wheeee

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sapagoo
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966526392837
is the answer for gif 2-5.gif (apparently the gif names have changed from 17.gif to 2-5.gif, for second book (looking glass) chapter 5).
and the background was the phone spell.

Since chapter 5 of Looking glass is Wool and Water, and the encode of that is 966526392837
you get a link to
http://www.karetao.com/mirlandano/mbi.html
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aliendial
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And I take it the solve must go in on the relevant page (since I just tried one of yours on a different submit page and got an Alice kick).
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catherwood
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jayepmills wrote:
Check the source code on the mirlandano.com site. Interesting hint...

languages are nothing but words
and words are nothing but noise
codes are always encoded
unless they're decoded[s]
and spaces aren't punctual
much like me when i can't find my hat
sorry about that but what sort of hatter would i be
if i'm not wearing a hat

So, to backtrack from what we know now:
- the languages (french, german, esperanto, italian) were just words, names for the background images; it is their encoding that matters;
- codes are always encoded unless decodes, probably refers to the ROT20 on the esperanto becoming ROT6 for submitted answers;
- and spaces aren't punctual is probably a hint to remove spaces and punctuation from answers before encoding them.
- and we all have to wear a hat when playing.

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catherwood
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sapagoo wrote:
... image '2-5.gif' (apparently the gif names have changed from 17.gif to 2-5.gif, for second book 5th chapter)

Since chapter 5 of Looking glass is Wool and Water, and the encode of that is 966526392837 ...


So it looks like "woolandwater" is what gets encoded. When I get home tonight, i'll post the 24 chapter names, if no one beats me to it. Do we want to post a list of all the encodings as well? And the resulting pages? And what's on them? We're gonna need a bigger boat!

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aliendial
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Since I'm here, I'll do that, catherwood.

Also note another confirmation I noticed - the alice illustrations on the mirlandano.com submit pages are from the book/chapters referenced.

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (i.e. first book)

Introduction
I. – Down the Rabbit Hole
II. – The Pool of Tears
III. – A Caucus-Race and a Long Tale
IV. – The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill
V. – Advice from a Caterpillar
VI. – Pig and Pepper
VII. – A Mad Tea-Party
VIII. – The Queen's Croquet Ground
IX. – The Mock Turtle's Story
X. – The Lobster-Quadrille
XI. – Who Stole the Tarts?
XII. – Alice's Evidence


Through the Looking Glass (and What Alice Found There) (i.e. second book)

Chapter 1 - Looking Glass House
Chapter 2 - The Garden of Live Flowers
Chapter 3 - Looking-Glass Insects
Chapter 4 - Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Chapter 5 - Wool and Water
Chapter 6 - Humpty Dumpty
Chapter 7 - The Lion and the Unicorn
Chapter 8 - `It's my own Invention'
Chapter 9 - Queen Alice
Chapter 10 - Shaking
Chapter 11 - Waking
Chapter 12 - Which Dreamed it?

I also note that my avatar already has a hat, but that I surely can do better. Must ponder . . . the big straw thing with purple bow? the white jungle hat? the red hard hat?
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i'll wear a hat, but i'm not creating an avatar.

Code:

 1 = 1-1 = downtherabbithole
 2 = 1-2 = thepooloftears
 3 = 1-3 = acaucusraceandalongtale
 4 = 1-4 = therabbitsendsinalittlebill
 5 = 1-5 = advicefromacaterpillar
 6 = 1-6 = pigandpepper
 7 = 1-7 = amadteaparty
 8 = 1-8 = thequeenscroquetground
 9 = 1-9 = themockturtlesstory
10 = 1-10 = thelobsterquadrille
11 = 1-11 = whostolethetarts
12 = 1-12 = alicesevidence
13 = 2-1 = lookingglasshouse
14 = 2-2 = thegardenofliveflowers
15 = 2-3 = lookingglassinsects
16 = 2-4 = tweedledumandtweedledee
17 = 2-5 = woolandwater
18 = 2-6 = humptydumpty
19 = 2-7 = thelionandtheunicorn
20 = 2-8 = itsmyowninvention
21 = 2-9 = queenalice
22 = 2-10 = shaking
23 = 2-11 = waking
24 = 2-12 = whichdreamedit



anyway, i thought this list would come in handy for all those encoding tools out there.

(I haven't figured out the best way for us to combine our efforts and post all of the results in one table. Does anyone want to create a spreadsheet? I don't have Excel on this computer, just my handy-dandy HTML tools.)

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sapagoo
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3 of 4 codes

Chapter , ROT, PhoneSpell

Code:
downtherabbithole            juctznkxghhoznurk           36968437222484653           
thepooloftears               znkvuurulzkgxy              84376656383277             
acaucusraceandalongtale      gigaiayxgikgtjgrutmzgrk     22282877223263256648253     
therabbitsendsinalittlebill  znkxghhozyktjyotgrozzrkhorr 843722248736374625488532455
advicefromacaterpillar       gjboiklxusgigzkxvorrgx      2384233766222837745527     
pigandpepper                 vomgtjvkvvkx                744263737737               
amadteaparty                 gsgjzkgvgxze                262383272789               
thequeenscroquetground       znkwakktyixuwakzmxuatj      8437833672767838476863     
themockturtlesstory          znksuiqzaxzrkyyzuxe         8436625887853778679         
thelobsterquadrille          znkruhyzkxwagjxorrk         8435627837782374553         
whostolethetarts             cnuyzurkznkzgxzy            9467865384382787           
alicesevidence               groikykbojktik              25423738433623             
lookingglasshouse            ruuqotmmrgyynuayk           56654644527746873           
thegardenofliveflowers       znkmgxjktulrobklruckxy      8434273366354833569377     
lookingglassinsects          ruuqotmmrgyyotykizy         5665464452774673287         
tweedledumandtweedledee      zckkjrkjasgtjzckkjrkjkk     89333533862638933353333     
woolandwater                 cuurgtjcgzkx                966526392837               
humptydumpty                 nasvzejasvze                486789386789               
thelionandtheunicorn         znkroutgtjznkatoiuxt        84354662638438642676       
itsmyowninvention            ozyseuctotbktzout           48769696468368466           
queenalice                   wakktgroik                  7833625423                 
shaking                      yngqotm                     7425464                     
waking                       cgqotm                      925464                     
whichdreamedit               cnoinjxkgskjoz              94424373263348             


Chapter, Base64
Code:
downtherabbithole               ZG93bnRoZXJhYmJpdGhvbGU           
thepooloftears                  dGhlcG9vbG9mdGVhcnMNCg
acaucusraceandalongtale         YWNhdWN1c3JhY2VhbmRhbG9uZ3RhbGU
therabbitsendsinalittlebill     dGhlcmFiYml0c2VuZHNpbmFsaXR0bGViaWxs
advicefromacaterpillar          YWR2aWNlZnJvbWFjYXRlcnBpbGxhcg
pigandpepper                    cGlnYW5kcGVwcGVy
amadteaparty                    YW1hZHRlYXBhcnR5
thequeenscroquetground          dGhlcXVlZW5zY3JvcXVldGdyb3VuZA
themockturtlesstory             dGhlbW9ja3R1cnRsZXNzdG9yeQ
thelobsterquadrille             dGhlbG9ic3RlcnF1YWRyaWxsZQ
whostolethetarts                d2hvc3RvbGV0aGV0YXJ0cw
alicesevidence                  YWxpY2VzZXZpZGVuY2U
lookingglasshouse               bG9va2luZ2dsYXNzaG91c2U
thegardenofliveflowers          dGhlZ2FyZGVub2ZsaXZlZmxvd2Vycw
lookingglassinsects             bG9va2luZ2dsYXNzaW5zZWN0cw
tweedledumandtweedledee         dHdlZWRsZWR1bWFuZHR3ZWVkbGVkZWU
woolandwater                    d29vbGFuZHdhdGVy
humptydumpty                    aHVtcHR5ZHVtcHR5
thelionandtheunicorn            dGhlbGlvbmFuZHRoZXVuaWNvcm4
itsmyowninvention               aXRzbXlvd25pbnZlbnRpb24
queenalice                      cXVlZW5hbGljZQ
shaking                         c2hha2luZw
waking                          d2FraW5n
whichdreamedit                  d2hpY2hkcmVhbWVkaXQ


Edited 1 time. I had to remove the = out of the Base64, and I was initially off 1 number in the phonespell.

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