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Gigles
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 		Ultimate Theory and Conjecture Thread
Disclaimer: Many of the theories and clues in this post were not formulated or discovered by me. I realize most of these points have already been discussed on this board.

For the past week I have been "lurking" and compiling data from various Kyle XY boards. I have been carefully rewatching the first five episodes.

When I was looking for clues, I wanted cohesive ones. The blogger himself says "The trick is in knowing which messages hold a clue." So this post won't contain every single clue, but I do have them. (10+ pages…) You must ask the question: What are the questions we should be asking?

The most important question is, Where did Kyle from? / Who/what is he?

So far I have only found two theories that really make any sense. (No, the alien theory doesn't make sense.) I'm going to talk about the obvious one, cloning, first.

The MadaCorp blogger says, "304 held a question I could not answer." Also, at the coffee shop Lori worked at, Declan wore a shirt that had the number "34" on the back.

304 and 34 most likely refer to the Biblical passage John 3:04, which says "How can anyone be born after having grown old? Can one enter a second time into the mother's womb and be born?" This is obviously meant to relate to cloning.

An interesting theory about the Madacorp website and the cloning, is that in one version of the web site there is a picture of an old woman, and in another version, in the same spot, there is a picture of a young teenage girl. Is it plausible to hypothesize that the girl is a clone of the older woman?

The very title of the show lends a valuable (and obvious) clue in that "XY" often stands for male genetics. Some have thought that the number 26 in the computer codes could refer to the number of chromosomes Kyle possesses, in place of the usual 23 chromosomes. However, from what I have read, having more than 23 chromosomes causes birth defects such as Downs Syndrome and retardation.

Speaking of genetics, has anyone else seen the similarity between the black "X" of the mysterious company's security cards, and a double helix of DNA? This also seems to point to cloning.

When you first log onto the MadCorp blog section, someone with the screen name "GuessWho1962" messages you. Although a band named "Guess Who" was formed in 1962 in Canada, I think the more logical and pertinent connection is that in 1962 the first ever successful cloning experiment occurred.

"ACTG" most likely refers to DNA (Adenine, Cytosine, Thymine, and Guanine.) I believe that 626 is less of a clue and more of a little Easter egg of the producers, standing for June 26th (06/26) the premiere of the show.

Here is a quote directly from the home page of the MadaCorp website "At Mada Corporation, we believe that there are no limits to how we can better mankind, one person at a time. Creating the perfect product again and again is not only our goal, it is our legacy." Creating a perfect product, one person at a time? It sounds like cloning to me.

I want to take a second to talk about Madacorp and its name before going onto the second theory. Many have already speculated about Mada being "Adam," backwards. This would be another reference to the Bible, or Christianity, of which there are many in Kyle XY. Others include: The snake Kyle meets, similar to the snake that meets Adam and Eve. That Kyle was "born" on a Sunday. That another girl (probably related, nicknamed "Kylee Xy" by fans) with amnesia appears on the same day Kyle appeared. Parallels between Kyle & Kylee and Adam & Eve have been drawn.

Another thing pointing to the story of Adam & Eve (and cloning) is the lack of a belly button. It has been hypothesized that since Adam & Eve were "created" by God, they would not have a belly button. Some have said that as a clone would not possess an umbilical cord to a mother, they would lack a navel, like Adam. However, I have heard conflicting arguments that one's DNA would create a navel whether or not an umbilical cord was attached. If a scientist could give a definitive answer on this, it would be wonderful.

The second theory is one that I don't completely understand the science behind, so I am going to copy the exact post of where I learned about it:

"IMNSHO, Kyle is an experiment in Neural Network technology. He is what is known as an Instantaneously Trained Neural Network. It may well be pertinent information that the company name Mada is ADAM backwards, but this does not refer only to the Adam of the Bible. ADAM is also a neural network known as Advanced Distributed Associative Memory, of which the ITNN is a descendant.. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instantaneously_trained_neural_networks)

The XY may have more than one derivation, but one likely derivation is from the fact that "Supervised learning is a machine learning technique for creating a function from training data. The training data consist of pairs of input objects (typically vectors), and desired outputs." (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervised_learning)

When Kyle is asked if he has seen the symbol (probably Mada's corporate logo) he answers no. This is in fact a truthful answer (bear in mind that Kyle hasn't learned to lie yet; that is what this episode is about.) He is aware of it, as evidenced by the fact that his drawings contain it, as the 'mother' discovers at the end of the episode ... but he hasn't SEEN it before. It is implanted in his neural network a priori.

All of this explains why he is 'computer/robot like', but still human for all intents and purposes. His supervised learning is being supervised by the Father first, and as a second order by the rest of the family.

Note also that he intuitively feels at home with servers. After all, the initial programming for his very biological neural network was done by a computer. It is the computers model that 'seeded' his network."

The problem I see with this is relating to all the Biblical references I outlined before. There are many of them. The strongest thing going for this "Advanced Distributive Associative Memory" case is the reverse acronym. However, there are so many obvious signs showing that it is a Biblical reference. Unless "mada" is a reverse acronym meaning for both Adam and A.D.A.M, I don't think this theory holds water.

Also, the ADAM theory doesn't explain how he was created, and his "new" teeth, etc. So it is possible that Kyle is both a clone AND an ADAM experiment.


Now I am going to discuss some of the biggest reoccurring and important sounding things the Mada blogger says.

The most repeated and highlighted saying is "red doesn't always mean stop." There are various different anagrams that solve to this. I have two theories about this obviously important sentence.

The first one that came to me is that if red doesn't mean stop, then what does it mean? The most obvious answer, which most could come up with without watching the show, is that red would mean love. The instances of this are Amanda wearing red a lot (her swimsuit, when Kyle first meets her, various other times), as well as the red tent that holds the lovers that Kyle finds in the forest. As Amanda is Kyle's love interest, does her wearing red mean red means love?

The problem I have with this theory is that it doesn't seem to make sense with anything else. How does "red means love," help us solve anything in this mystery?

The better theory is that "red doesn't always mean stop is an anagram INSIDE an anagram.

Red doesn't always mean stop ----> Stolen MADA weapons destroy OR Destroy stolen MADA weapons.

Yes, these two messages are quite ominous. Is MadaCorp trying to create super humans to use as weapons? Assuming Kyle is the weapon, who stole him?

Some have spent much time trying to decipher two jumbled words, but in the July 24th blog, the blogger said "Those who abandon walparnen and effynj are right to do so."


Now is time for my crazy speculation based on the sneak preview of episode 6!

In the preview, the two biggest clues are…

Declan is an enemy! On a related note, here is a list of names that are apparently employees of MADACorp:

"john smith","nicole trager","kyle xy","kyle","josh trager","lori trager","stephen trager", "detective breen", "tom foss", "amanda bloom ", "declan tanner", "rebecca thatcher", "david peterson", "julia peterson", "adam baylin", "william kern", "cyrus reynolds", "jacob cassidy"

See Declan Tanner there? Yep. But you also see all of the Tragers… What does this mean? It is unclear at this point. It seems farfetched to think that everyone Kyle knows is an employee of MADA, watching and protecting him.

(FAR-FETCHED CONJECTURE INCOMING)

The second clue presented is that Tom Foss says "Kyle's starting to remember." And then the screen shows a memory image of Tom Foss in a hoodie in the rain. My wild speculation here relates to the possibility that Kyle could be a genetically modified and enhanced clone of… THOMAS FOSS. This could be the reason that Tom is following him so closely, almost trying to protect him. This could also explain why Kyle stared at Tom in the pick up truck when walking out of the house in Episode 1. Also, does anyone else think that Tom looks somewhat like Kyle?

Another supporting detail is that Tom apparently tried to steal Kyle from the skeleton in the forest that he killed. (The anagram "Destroy stolen MADA weapon") Also, the guy who tries to blackmail Tom, and that he kills, makes it seem like Tom was doing something he wasn't supposed to with Kyle.

Yes, I know this theory has little evidence or proof going for it. But I just have a feeling. The next episode looks exciting, I can't wait to see how it plays out!

I hope you enjoyed my writing, and I hope I helped some people get up to speed on some of the prominent Kyle XY theories in a clear format, without having to search around in various posts.

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 		The Mada Corp Blob 7/24/06
So I have been looking through this for weeks now. I have had my own opinions about things. Used what some people found to help me, but mostly bideing my time until I could find something worth saying. This week I have.

After watching tonights episode, I went straight to the Mada Blogger. I knew he would have something to say. Again it is mostly gibberish and riddles, and more of the annoying RED DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN STOP. Where DOESN'T is sometimes misspelled. There is probably something there but I got nothin. Anyway in tonight entry a few things popped out first off:

LaurenmoisblindedbyredTylerwithknowledgecomesperildoesn'tElizabethItholdsnocluesalwaysjohnbyouarerightmeanamymaineiswrongstop

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
If you look hard enough you can see that is has RED DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN STOP, again. I am really starting to hate that saying. I do think however that there is atleast two or three other messages that are in there. I am too tired to figure it out right now, so I will leave it for later.


Next if you go down a bit further you will see:

The message is clear to those who follow the numbers to the letter.
18.5.4 4.15.5.19.14.20 1.12.23.1.25.19 13.5.1.14 19.20.15.16

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The funny thing is, it actually means that literally. Get it "numbers to the letter". If 1=A, 2=B... all the way to 26=Z. You find that our annoying reapative message come up again. RED DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN STOP.


Anyway that is all I got for now. If any one can tell me it is so important to know that RED DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN STOP, please let me know, and don't give me the train signals thing as an explanation. That is just way too obvious to be right. Peace out all.

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 		Ellimist-"Red doesn't always mean stop" is an anagram to "Destroy stolen MADA weapons" and "Stolen MADA Weapons Destroy"

This seems like a likely answer.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:29 am
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Gigles wrote:
Ellimist-"Red doesn't always mean stop" is an anagram to "Destroy stolen MADA weapons" and "Stolen MADA Weapons Destroy"

This seems like a likely answer.


Agreed.

I might make a theories page on my Kyle XY walktrhough, is it a good idea?
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 		Re: The Mada Corp Blob 7/24/06
Ellimist wrote:

LaurenmoisblindedbyredTylerwithknowledgecomesperildoesn'tElizabethItholdsnocluesalwaysjohnbyouarerightmeanamymaineiswrongstop


My translation
removing the names: Lauren, Tyler, Elizabeth, John and Amy
then removing the words: Red doesn't always mean stop

leaves us with the following phrases:
Mo is blinded
with knowledge comes peril
It holds no clues
by you are right
maine is wrong

Just pointing out the obvious, I guess <shrugs>
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 		[RANT]Junk Science
hudey123 wrote:
. Firstly, let's approach this methodically. We note strange PHYSICAL characteristics, that is to say
No umbilicus.
To answer your question about whether or not an umbilicus would generate without the umbilical cord, No. If the umbilical cord was not attached it would not proliferate.


[RANT]Junk science as TV plot.

I really hate it when script writers get something wrong that could have been prevented if they had listened to their Science Advisor. IF they even have a science advisor.

What an Umbilical does

Quote:
In placental mammals, the umbilical cord is a tube that connects a developing embryo or fetus to its placenta. It contains one or two major veins, buried within Wharton's jelly, for the exchange of nutrient- and oxygen-rich blood between the embryo and placenta.


What the Placenta does
Quote:
The placenta is composed of two parts, one of which is genetically and biologically part of the fetus, the other part of the mother. It is implanted in the wall of the uterus, where it receives nutrients and oxygen from the mother's blood and passes out waste


Meaning the umbilical cord is part of the developing fetus and not generated by the mother - which writers either don't know or don't care about. Even if birthed in an artificial manner, the fetus would still generate these structures. The only reason to not have them is becaue the script says so.
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 		Re: [RANT]Junk Science
MageSteff wrote:
I really hate it when script writers get something wrong that could have been prevented if they had listened to their Science Advisor. IF they even have a science advisor.


The plot isn't far enough to start blaming the script writers, in my opinion. We still don't really know who/what Kyle is.

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 		I hope this helps.
Im new at this so dont laugh if i get something wrong, but comparing the email about email being down to the date of the 3rd episode. I think that the father,( cant remember his name), works for Mada corp in some undirect way. Just because in the third episode the servers at his company was down and nobody could email.
Until Kyle fixed it.

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 		Most interesting! However, I retain my stance. genetics isn't exactly my specialty. Although, I really can't say for sure. I have a personal friend who agrees with me (doctor). By the way, the umbilical cord is a wonderful source for stem cells. If kyle was in an EGG, he would have no umbilicus. (Research needed) I'll ask someone else, he's better than me in genetics.
If I wasn't already under the predilection that I was right, I might agree with you...

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 		Something I thought I would mention, as I haven't seen it here yet. When the Madacorp guy is interrogating Tom Foss, his desktop background reads "ZZYZZ". Possible clue?
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 		just nothing really
I was just thinking red doesn't always mean stop so you'd think that means red means go. which when you rearrange the letters gives you "Gods are men" or "men are gods" whatever its interesting right but probably just funny coincidence.

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 		All those names the "blogger" keeps posting about are names of people who are posting comments on the blog. Did anyone else realize that?

Ex: sammystephamymadeetezzyjeff304julianjohnbcrzymcmysterysolverjoshelizabethshaynaluluvacuriositymarieandonandon

I saw a few of those names: Crazy MC was the easiest to find. lol. I'll look for more and read what they all had to say.

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 		effynj and the numbers
Saw that the effynj and numbers 781227 seem to align pretty well.

So, we got:

e7
f8
f1
y2
n2
j7

Is that "e7, f8, f1, y2, n2, j7" and what does that mean? Perhaps some crypto-specialists might help out here?

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 		Hey wow yeah... well the blogger said something about watching the stars right? Well that lineup of letters/numbers looks like points on a chart possibly a sky chart.
You know if you look at a map you have numbers up one side and then along the top/bottom like this

A B C D E F G H I J K~

1

2

3

4

5
etc

Yeah this is pretty incoherent but maybe someone at least sees what i'm getting at? its like a line graph where you are given points "e,7" "b,3" "c,2" etc etc... and then plot them on the graph. so anyway I was thinking maybe it had something to do with the puzzle kyle was putting together had something to do with it, cuz the puzzle had numbers along the sides and top/bottom... but then that seems a little way out on a limb there as you would have to first screen capture the puzzle, then try to clear the picture up to read it.. it doesn't seem like something that would be used in an ARG but then i'm fairly new to this.

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