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[UPDATE] stophanso.rachelblake.com - Italy Post 05 July 10
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schummbo
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All this info can be confusing for simple folk such as myself. Wouldn't it be great it someone who had a bunch of free time made a huge web diagram of all the in-game characters and their relationships based on the information that we have? Sort of for quick reference? (hint, hint..)


Not me though, I dont have the patience for that Smile

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schummbo wrote:
All this info can be confusing for simple folk such as myself. Wouldn't it be great it someone who had a bunch of free time made a huge web diagram of all the in-game characters and their relationships based on the information that we have? Sort of for quick reference? (hint, hint..)

http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/definitions.html
Working on one.

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I like the (yet another) reference to Geronimo Jackson. Just to remind everyone that he exists In-Game.
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Rachel said in her latest blog post that she worked for Widmore and that her severance pay has been paying for her search all over Europe. Some people (Matt the Pale included) have challenged this statement, thinking Persephone had previously stated in her hacks that she worked for the Hanso Foundation.

Nowhere in Persephone's hacks did she say she worked for the Hanso Foundation. "She was an employee of the foundation" probably refers to Rachel's mother. "I work for criminals, always have always will," is either a reference to Peter Thompsom or a self-reference to a 2nd Hacker, the one who hacked Persephone and said, "Persephone, I know who you are."

We keep thinking there was only one hacker, but Sean (in the comments section of Rachel's blog) said the handwriting was different when it said "I work for criminals...." Maybe Persephone/ Rachel was the hacker who was working for Widmore and someone else (DJ Dan/ Peter Thompson?) was the hacker who is still working for the Hanso Foundation.

BTW, for anyone who wants a quick link to the latest DJ Dan podcasts or other info hidden at the Hanso directory, save this address and go here directly:

http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/

And while your at it, ask yourselves WHY does DJ Dan have a link to his podcasts hidden on the Hanso Foundation directory under the file name of owells (for Orson Wells). Don't you think DJ Dan might be an employee of the Hanso Foundation, since he has a file hidden at their directory page? I think he might even be Hacker #2.

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Wulfgirl wrote:
Rachel said in her latest blog post that she worked for Widmore and that her severance pay has been paying for her search all over Europe. Some people (Matt the Pale included) have challenged this statement, thinking Persephone had previously stated in her hacks that she worked for the Hanso Foundation. Nowhere in Persephone's hacks did she say she worked for the Hanso Foundation.
Well put, wulfgirl. I've always thought that the logic leading to the conclusion that P worked for Hanso was non sequitor.

Wulfgirl wrote:
"She was an employee of the foundation" probably refers to Rachel's mother. "I work for criminals, always have always will," is either a reference to Peter Thompson or a self-reference to a 2nd Hacker, the one who hacked Persephone and said, "Persephone, I know who you are."
I'm not sure whether your conclusions here are correct or not, but the fact remains that P never claimed to work for Hanso. The "I worked for criminals" statement is far too vague to derive anything definitive from it. Even if it is P saying she herself worked for criminals, it doesn't mean that Hanso and his cronies were the criminals she referred to. There's simply no evidence to support that.

And as for the "She was an employee of the foundation" bit, there are a lot of "shes" that that could refer to, including GidgetGirl (note that GG has not to date indicated that she works for anybody related to the game, much less THF, the GWC, Widmore, or anyone else, for that matter). She has some kind of insider access - that's really all we know about her.

As a matter of fact, based on the revelation that GG has access to THF files (per her own admission) its actually more likely that she's a
THF employee (though I know the whole Hugh McIntyre photo thing has yet to be resolved, and may yet implicate GG with the GWC).

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matt_the_pale wrote:
schummbo wrote:
All this info can be confusing for simple folk such as myself. Wouldn't it be great it someone who had a bunch of free time made a huge web diagram of all the in-game characters and their relationships based on the information that we have? Sort of for quick reference? (hint, hint..)

http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/definitions.html
Working on one.


Thank you good sir, you are my hero.

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Wulfgirl wrote:
We keep thinking there was only one hacker, but Sean (in the comments section of Rachel's blog) said the handwriting was different when it said "I work for criminals...." Maybe Persephone/ Rachel was the hacker who was working for Widmore and someone else (DJ Dan/ Peter Thompson?) was the hacker who is still working for the Hanso Foundation.

And while your at it, ask yourselves WHY does DJ Dan have a link to his podcasts hidden on the Hanso Foundation directory under the file name of owells (for Orson Wells). Don't you think DJ Dan might be an employee of the Hanso Foundation, since he has a file hidden at their directory page? I think he might even be Hacker #2.


Two replies:

1) Just because the game may have recycled the voice talents for Peter Thompson and DJ Dan DOES NOT MEAN that in-game they are one and the same person. At least, that is my understanding. Tanya is a more fuzzy issue, because it was established that her voice is pre-recorded, i.e. as a robot. So her true identity is unknown.

2) I have been thinking about why DJ Dan links his podcasts under OWelles' name since the beginning. In fact, I asked Rachel about it perhaps on the first day of her posting. She of course made no reply.

Anyone remember hearing of the radio broadcast called the "War of the Worlds"? It was a fictional broadcast that was so realistic that it sent the nation into a brief but incredible panic – they were afraid of a gas raid from Mars. H.G. WELLS wrote this broadcast, but ORSON WELLES was the RADIO ANNOUNCER who creeped out the nation (somewhat unintentionally – they did run a disclaimer that it was fictional before he began speaking, but oh well). More information at this website that I found upon googling: http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/wotw.html.

I am drawing a parallel between Orson Welles the actor, and DJ Dan the radio announcer. Hence, owelles at LYCGY (perhaps an out-of-game joke, or an in-game clue).

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Cavalos wrote:
And as for the "She was an employee of the foundation" bit, there are a lot of "shes" that that could refer to

Yes there are -- now. But on May 30, how many "shes" could that statement have been referring to? Here is my reasoning:

May 30 - "She was an employee of the foundation."
1. This quote was found in an unusual and unmarked part of the MFI map.
2. Persephone would not refer to herself in the third person.
3. Up to this point, Persephone had given us very little personal information, so it seems unlikely that it was a statement about someone close to her.
4. The statement was also shown backwards, something that Persephone had not ever done in any of her hacks.
5. Therefore, seeing as how in the very next hack we receive a message from a second hacker, I think it is a very likely possibility that the May 30 message was also a message from that same hacker regarding Persephone, because its worth changes based on who gives us the message:
——A. Persephone gives us the message. It has no meaning at all at the time it was given, so there was nothing to be gained by doing it.
——B. If Rachel Blake gave us the message (and indeed is Persephone), the statement still has no meaning, but there is a slight chance that it could possibly refer to her mother, although it seems out of character for Persephone to put that kind of personal information into her hacks in such a manner. Never mind that it still makes no sense to put that kind of personal information into that particular hack so early on, nor was there anything to have been gained by doing it.
——C. If it was a counterhacker -- indeed the same one from June 1 -- then it may have been someone who was trying to disseminate information about Persephone and/or hurt Persephone's credibility, since the June 1 message seems very threatening in nature.

Therefore, I reasonably conclude that a second hacker placed the message into the hack in order to give out information on Persephone, damage her credibility, or paint her as untrustworthy. Otherwise, the statement has no logical meaning which can be derived from the immediate context surrounding the hack.

That last bit is very important: all the other meanings that people have put into it -- "Oh, it's GigdetGirl!" or "No, it's Rachel's Mom" or what-have-you -- all of that is meaning and assumption that has been attached to the May 30 statement after the fact.
I am looking at the meaning of the May 30 statement within the frame of the surrounding events: namely, the very next hack that occurred after that one.

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Someone on the blog at Rachel's post suggested that the capitalized words are indicative of a code – they seem to be capitalized in odd places, and there are too many of them (i.e. more than usual).

Here are the words:

HACKED
THAT
I'M NOT SURE
GOOD
REAL EVIDENCE
HAD
WHO
REALLY
RESPECT
KNOW
TON
FORGIVE ME
TEAM (? comes from a fan's name, Team Lena. However, Lena herself did not capitalize the word Team)
THOUSANDS OF DEAR FRIENDS
SILENCE
TRUST
ARRIVED

Segmenting the text, like one might see on a telegram, could yield:

HACKED. THAT I'M NOT SURE. GOOD REAL EVIDENCE HAD. WHO
REALLY RESPECT. KNOW TON. FORGIVE ME TEAM THOUSANDS OF DEAR FRIENDS. SILENCE. TRUST. ARRIVED.

Fleshing this out a bit, could yield:

Hacked. I'm not sure about that. I had good real evidence. Who should I really respect? (Who/I) know(s) a ton (?/.) Forgive me, Team, thousands of dear friends. (There will be/There has been) silence. Trust (in me). (They have/I have) arrived.

Basically, that she might have been hacked; had info at some point but it may not have been reliable; that she is aware of her own silence; we should trust in her; and perhaps she did stow away on the boat, and they have arrived at the destination. This decoding sounds like typical Rachel. (This would also answer peoples' complaints that the complete entry did not sound like Rachel at all.)

Not sure if I'm correct, or if this helps at all.

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matt_the_pale wrote:
I am looking at the meaning of the May 30 statement within the frame of the surrounding events: namely, the very next hack that occurred after that one.


Well... since this was all set out beforehand (a script, as you've called it yourself, Matt), there is no reason why we have to limit ourselves to looking at it in that context. In fact, the writers could have phrased it that way just to be misleading and to makes us think P worked for Hanso when she never did. The hacker could very well have left a clue for other members of Hanso, to say "she" meaning P's/Rachel's mother/GidgetGirl.

OR (and I think this is most likely) to explain to everyone that she WAS an employee of the Foundation, but is no longer. Even in context, it makes no sense- we thought she had just said "I work for criminals, always have, always will." All the signs said she was a CURRENT employee- hacking their voicemail, using their servers. So why would it turn into the past tense?
Someone mentioned this at the time, here- although we sort of ignored it.

P coudl have worked for Hanso, been transferred over to Widmore, then gone back using her knowledge of their system to hack in and expose them. That also explains why they took a while in finding her out- they probably started by eliminating current employees first.
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Matt_the_Pale,

Excellent Post! I want to reread it and think on it more when I'm more awake. Also, look at the map in the background of Rachel's public blog. Isn't it the same area where "she was an employee of the foundation" appeared in mirror writing on the MFI map? I think this has to more than a mere coincidence. Is Rachel's mother Russian? Why did that message appear near the Volga river?

Vesta,

Also an interesting post that I want to think about more.

Here are some more ideas I've been pondering tonight, relating to who may be assisting Persephone, who the 2nd hacker might be, and who DJ Dan might be (Peter Thompson???).

I'm wondering if the page at the Jeep (Let Your Compass Guide You) site showing a Hanso Foundation directory

http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/

might be a copy or mirror of the actual Hanso directory page? It's too weird that it would have an address at a Jeep webpage.

Look at the Lost Experience timeline (February 24, 2006, March 3-5, 2006, March 10, 2006, May 17, 2006 and June 19, 2006)

http://tletimeline.blogspot.com/

We can see here that William T. Kilpatrick was warned by Persephone about the Hanso Foundation's intended use of the Jeeps just before he canceled the contract with them.

I think this was also after the orginal date on the Capetown Inquisitor article (January 26?). She told him the Jeeps were being used for transport of some kind. Then she apparently told him more in the "missing_organs.zip" file she sent him. Maybe WTK set up the copy or mirror site of the Hanso directory at the Jeep site?

It may or may not be relevant that Peter Thompson was also involved in that Jeep contract that was canceled, although it's interesting that his signiture seems to be forged on one of the letters.

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Vesta wrote:
Someone on the blog at Rachel's post suggested that the capitalized words are indicative of a code – they seem to be capitalized in odd places, and there are too many of them (i.e. more than usual).

That's what I'm thinking.

Maybe the words can be rearranged to make a message. Surely, it will start off with "DEAR FRIENDS" but I can't think what comes next. Perhaps "I'M NOT SURE WHO HACKED ME" But after that, I'm at a loss.

Another thing I can make out is "KNOW THAT I HAD REALLY GOOD EVIDENCE"

Smarter people than me would be able to do this much easier. Wink
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SpiralBoundBook wrote:
matt_the_pale wrote:
I am looking at the meaning of the May 30 statement within the frame of the surrounding events: namely, the very next hack that occurred after that one.


Well... since this was all set out beforehand (a script, as you've called it yourself, Matt), there is no reason why we have to limit ourselves to looking at it in that context. In fact, the writers could have phrased it that way just to be misleading and to makes us think P worked for Hanso when she never did. The hacker could very well have left a clue for other members of Hanso, to say "she" meaning P's/Rachel's mother/GidgetGirl.

That's a good point! If this is the case, how likely is it that they have left other clues about future plot points (similar to the one in question from May 30) in previous hacks?

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matt_the_pale wrote:
That's a good point! If this is the case, how likely is it that they have left other clues about future plot points (similar to the one in question from May 30) in previous hacks?

You know, I've been wondering that myself. I think as soon as the forums stop being muddy I'm going to start a thread of "unanswered questions"- in the spirit of many of those lists kept on various LOST forums. Not inconsistancies in the story, but rather hints that were dropped and never explained.
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SpiralBoundBook wrote:
matt_the_pale wrote:
That's a good point! If this is the case, how likely is it that they have left other clues about future plot points (similar to the one in question from May 30) in previous hacks?

You know, I've been wondering that myself. I think as soon as the forums stop being muddy I'm going to start a thread of "unanswered questions"- in the spirit of many of those lists kept on various LOST forums. Not inconsistancies in the story, but rather hints that were dropped and never explained.


If I were you, I'd add that password-like word from the LYCGY compass diagram (i.e the diagram that comes up when you hover just below 108 degrees) – I believe it begins DF.....

Correct me if I am wrong, and that pertained to something already Smile

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