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Chat with Dale 6/22

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MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Posts: 2716
Location: State of Denial

Chat with Dale 6/22

The chat was original scheduled for 7 to 7:30 is, but it was about 8 when Dale showed up, and Sam attempted to get on a couple of times today but wasn't on more than a few seconds each time.
Following is the transcript:

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(8:19:31 PM) You have just entered room "ChatWithDale."
BarbarellaNY (8:19:40 PM): how about repetition of the letter?
synthasiadale (8:19:58 PM): a lot of people emailed me about the site they found that described the faery star on the disc
synthasiadale (8:20:09 PM): http://www.faerytrail.com
synthasiadale (8:20:52 PM): thats site has a list of words or ideas or concepts commonly associated with faery stars
synthasiadale (8:21:16 PM): ive been using that to try and make sense of this disc; has anyone else?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:21:34 PM): yeah, many of us have been using that site dale
synthasiadale (8:21:45 PM): but one problem is that each symbol or point of the star seems to have many possible menaings
Magesteff (8:21:47 PM): several of us have looked at that, but had trouble figuring in the pips/gems under each symbol
synthasiadale (8:21:49 PM): meanings*
LittleShortGuy99 (8:21:56 PM): unfortunately, we havent had any more luck than you have
LittleShortGuy99 (8:21:58 PM): yeah
weirdwesk (8:22:10 PM): write it out
synthasiadale (8:22:14 PM): what?
weirdwesk (8:22:25 PM): write it out, on a piece of paper
synthasiadale (8:22:37 PM): what do you mean?
weirdwesk (8:22:39 PM): the words
weirdwesk (8:22:43 PM): at first
weirdwesk (8:22:48 PM): write down the words
synthasiadale (8:23:00 PM): does anyone have a list in front of them of these words?
(8:23:02 PM) Wabaloo has entered the room.
synthasiadale (8:23:06 PM): let me check my notes
LittleShortGuy99 (8:23:44 PM): http://www.faerytrail.com/faerytrail3/index2. html
LittleShortGuy99 (8:23:51 PM): and click on faery stars
LittleShortGuy99 (8:23:55 PM): thats the list of meanings
synthasiadale (8:24:01 PM): Sun
synthasiadale (8:24:11 PM): Earth: (also shown as a tree or a stone)
Magesteff (8:24:20 PM): Water
synthasiadale (8:24:20 PM): Water: (sometimes may be a wave-like sgn or a teardrop)
synthasiadale (8:24:31 PM): Harmony: (common symbols are hands clasped or people embracing)
synthasiadale (8:24:42 PM): Hand: Magic, Powers of Mind
synthasiadale (8:24:54 PM): Wind: (sometimes symbolized by a cloud or flying bird)
Magesteff (8:24:59 PM): Portal, Magic, Gateway
synthasiadale (8:25:02 PM): Path: (sometimes shown as a doorway or portal)
synthasiadale (8:25:12 PM): ok sorry for the cut and paste routine
synthasiadale (8:25:22 PM): just wanted to get the info in front of us
synthasiadale (8:25:36 PM): "writing it down" so to speak
weirdwesk (8:25:39 PM): i said use paper
synthasiadale (8:25:48 PM): ok
Magesteff (8:25:52 PM): who uses paper anymore these days?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:25:57 PM): wes, youre being mighty cryptic
weirdwesk (8:26:00 PM): good writers
synthasiadale (8:26:09 PM): enough can we move on wes?
synthasiadale (8:26:19 PM): you'll get your chance
Prettycolors62 (8:26:30 PM): lelellele
(8:26:51 PM) MyssFitz has entered the room.
synthasiadale (8:27:14 PM): hold on i have to get back to the picture of the disc now
Enaxor (8:27:17 PM): Dale the symbols on the disc aren
synthasiadale (8:27:21 PM): ok there it is
Enaxor (8:27:22 PM): sorry
synthasiadale (8:27:33 PM): what enaxor?
Enaxor (8:27:33 PM): aren't in that order
synthasiadale (8:27:49 PM): ok i wasnt implying an order yet, just taking off the other site
Enaxor (8:28:01 PM): k
synthasiadale (8:28:12 PM): ok it looks like the sun symbol
Magesteff (8:28:13 PM): And there is the symbol in the center of the disc
synthasiadale (8:28:16 PM): yes
synthasiadale (8:28:23 PM): thats right magesteff
synthasiadale (8:28:30 PM): i forgot to list that
synthasiadale (8:28:47 PM): but there wasnt a point of the star associated with it
synthasiadale (8:29:10 PM): im starting with the sun symbol for two reasons
Magesteff (8:29:10 PM): no. It just looks like a stick person jumping over something
synthasiadale (8:29:14 PM): yes
synthasiadale (8:29:17 PM): mage
synthasiadale (8:29:49 PM): that symbol looks a lot like one of the letters from that last weird alphabet we received too
synthasiadale (8:29:56 PM): from greywethers
LittleShortGuy99 (8:29:58 PM): yes, it looks like the W
synthasiadale (8:30:32 PM): anyway the sun might be best to start with because it only has one interpretation - sun - and one jewel or dot to it.
synthasiadale (8:30:50 PM): so the possible meanings i come up with are
synthasiadale (8:31:00 PM): its the first word of whatever message is there
synthasiadale (8:31:21 PM): or we take one letter from the word (one from the one dot)
synthasiadale (8:31:32 PM): for the hidden message
synthasiadale (8:31:44 PM): possibly the "s" if the one signifies position
Magesteff (8:32:12 PM): I think the second theory might be the better one... two of the symbols have 3 dots and 6 dots
weirdwesk (8:32:14 PM): oir maybe it means the "sun" is first in whatever order you need to solve things
synthasiadale (8:32:30 PM): any other ideas?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:32:32 PM): unfortunately, Dale, the tree signifies EARTH, which has 5 letters, but there are 6 dots
synthasiadale (8:32:45 PM): ok hold on, one at a time
synthasiadale (8:33:08 PM): if we assume my first suggestion is correct
synthasiadale (8:33:22 PM): that the "one" dot means its the first word of a phrase
synthasiadale (8:33:35 PM): then symbols with more than one set or line of dots
Enaxor (8:33:38 PM): but earth has 6 description
synthasiadale (8:33:43 PM): would have to be used more than once
MyssFitz (8:33:45 PM): Earth: (also shown as a tree or a stone) Unconditional Love, Wisdom, Growth, Friendship, Healing.
synthasiadale (8:34:00 PM): do you follow me?
synthasiadale (8:34:06 PM): that doesnt seem to feasible
LittleShortGuy99 (8:34:19 PM): not quite dale
Magesteff (8:34:33 PM): II think I see what you are getting at
synthasiadale (8:34:42 PM): if one dot means use the word "sun" as the first word
BarbarellaNY (8:34:59 PM): Unless it's 6th word 6th letter?
Magesteff (8:34:59 PM): The tree has 6 ... one row of 2 and a second row of 4
BarbarellaNY (8:35:20 PM): or second word 4th letter
synthasiadale (8:35:25 PM): but there are more than one symbol with six total dots
LittleShortGuy99 (8:35:34 PM): yes
synthasiadale (8:35:41 PM): so it cant be the total number if that method is correct
Magesteff (8:35:42 PM): and more than one with 3 dots
synthasiadale (8:35:48 PM): it would have to be separate numbers
LittleShortGuy99 (8:35:49 PM): right
synthasiadale (8:35:57 PM): so lets stay with the easiest method for now
synthasiadale (8:36:16 PM): one dot with sun means one letter, possibly "s"
synthasiadale (8:36:26 PM): thats where we will start
LittleShortGuy99 (8:36:26 PM): right
synthasiadale (8:36:39 PM): ok the next symbol going clock wise is the tree
Sandra ctw (8:36:53 PM): second and fourth letter?
synthasiadale (8:36:54 PM): which the faerytrail site tells us could mean earth
synthasiadale (8:36:59 PM): or tree
synthasiadale (8:37:13 PM): or maybe even stone
synthasiadale (8:37:20 PM): lets keep it simple again
LittleShortGuy99 (8:37:20 PM): there are 6 dots though, and earth and stone have 5
Magesteff (8:37:30 PM): do 2 and 4
synthasiadale (8:37:32 PM): and stay with earth
synthasiadale (8:37:38 PM): yes mage i agree
BarbarellaNY (8:37:40 PM): unless it's all 4 of tree
synthasiadale (8:38:07 PM): lets stay with 2 dots and 4 dots as separate lines
weirdwesk (8:38:13 PM): a and t
synthasiadale (8:38:24 PM): if its earth yes
synthasiadale (8:38:34 PM): anyone actually writing these down?
weirdwesk (8:38:38 PM): ha
pjhensley2 (8:38:39 PM): yes
BarbarellaNY (8:38:39 PM): yes
Magesteff (8:38:43 PM): yes
Sandra ctw (8:38:45 PM): yep
synthasiadale (8:38:48 PM): ok next
synthasiadale (8:38:56 PM): the tear drop or drop of water
LittleShortGuy99 (8:39:00 PM): whoa
KyraSplash (8:39:04 PM): and i'm not liking what i see either
LittleShortGuy99 (8:39:07 PM): me neither
synthasiadale (8:39:08 PM): what was the official "word" for this one?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:39:10 PM): satan
synthasiadale (8:39:15 PM): what?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:39:15 PM): i have satan so far
synthasiadale (8:39:18 PM): oh
Prettycolors62 (8:39:21 PM): oh dear
KyraSplash (8:39:23 PM): satanpaidam
weirdwesk (8:39:23 PM): hehehe
synthasiadale (8:39:34 PM): satan paid am?
synthasiadale (8:39:42 PM): is that all the letters with this method?
KyraSplash (8:39:47 PM): that's what i'm seeing
synthasiadale (8:39:50 PM): hmm
LittleShortGuy99 (8:39:52 PM): SATANTIDAM
LittleShortGuy99 (8:39:55 PM): is what i got
synthasiadale (8:40:00 PM): anyone else work through it yet
KyraSplash (8:40:08 PM): not if you keep the one line two lines LSG
synthasiadale (8:40:10 PM): to save me doing this completely and slowly
weirdwesk (8:40:13 PM): lol
KyraSplash (8:40:34 PM): Path = 1 and 2
LittleShortGuy99 (8:40:35 PM): hang on, lemme recheck
LittleShortGuy99 (8:40:51 PM): ah, your right
synthasiadale (8:40:55 PM): ok from the drop (water) we get "a" right?
KyraSplash (8:41:06 PM): right
LittleShortGuy99 (8:41:16 PM): yeah
weirdwesk (8:41:21 PM): hand would be n
LittleShortGuy99 (8:41:22 PM): i got satanpaidam
Sandra ctw (8:41:31 PM): Could we define the exact words we are using for each symbol?
synthasiadale (8:41:36 PM): is that right?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:41:43 PM): yeah
LittleShortGuy99 (8:41:47 PM): anagram, maybe?
synthasiadale (8:41:50 PM): ok good idea
pjhensley2 (8:41:53 PM): thats what i have
synthasiadale (8:41:55 PM): sandra
KyraSplash (8:41:58 PM): sun earth water hand path wind harmony
synthasiadale (8:42:07 PM): so far sun
synthasiadale (8:42:10 PM): earth
synthasiadale (8:42:16 PM): water
synthasiadale (8:42:21 PM): hand
synthasiadale (8:42:31 PM): got it?
Sandra ctw (8:42:42 PM): yep
synthasiadale (8:42:58 PM): so the next one - path -with is that three dots?
weirdwesk (8:43:06 PM): no looks like one and two
LittleShortGuy99 (8:43:10 PM): Sun eArTh wAter haNd PAth wInD hArMony
synthasiadale (8:43:14 PM): yes
synthasiadale (8:43:17 PM): p and a
synthasiadale (8:43:38 PM): yes lsg that would be it with this method
synthasiadale (8:43:48 PM): satanpaidam
synthasiadale (8:43:52 PM): weird
pjhensley2 (8:43:56 PM): a diana stamp thats what i got for an anagram
weirdwesk (8:44:03 PM): diana
synthasiadale (8:44:05 PM): yes
Prettycolors62 (8:44:06 PM): like the coins
LittleShortGuy99 (8:44:07 PM): or amanda's pita
Prettycolors62 (8:44:11 PM): lelle
weirdwesk (8:44:13 PM): lol
weirdwesk (8:44:39 PM): i see other words in there
weirdwesk (8:44:50 PM): pan
weirdwesk (8:44:52 PM): maid
weirdwesk (8:44:56 PM): map
weirdwesk (8:45:05 PM): man
weirdwesk (8:45:07 PM): nap
weirdwesk (8:45:15 PM): damp
Magesteff (8:45:16 PM): TAP
pjhensley2 (8:45:17 PM): pam lol
KyraSplash (8:45:21 PM): here's a good anagram site. http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/anagram.html
synthasiadale (8:45:27 PM): thanks kyra
LittleShortGuy99 (8:45:46 PM): actually, this one tends to work better for me:
LittleShortGuy99 (8:45:47 PM): http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/
KyraSplash (8:46:03 PM): yes you are right LSG...i was looking for that one
weirdwesk (8:46:06 PM): competing anagram sites - who knew? lol
pjhensley2 (8:46:10 PM): yikes you can get aid satan map out of it
BarbarellaNY (8:46:28 PM): Diana is there for sure
weirdwesk (8:46:46 PM): are you OK dale?
weirdwesk (8:46:54 PM): i know this cant be easy
synthasiadale (8:46:57 PM): yes
synthasiadale (8:47:00 PM): im fine
synthasiadale (8:48:01 PM): any other good anagrams?
Magesteff (8:48:09 PM): a said map tan
pjhensley2 (8:48:14 PM): a diana stamp, a stamp diana, diana a stamp....
synthasiadale (8:48:34 PM): diana stamp
LittleShortGuy99 (8:48:37 PM): http://tinyurl.com/ezia
synthasiadale (8:48:46 PM): i dont know what that would mean
Wabaloo (8:48:54 PM): am past diana?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:48:54 PM): all anagrams with 3 words or less
synthasiadale (8:48:57 PM): she didnt so anything like the stamped coin you mentioned
urbanman202 (8:49:16 PM): dianas map at
Sandra ctw (8:49:20 PM): Pottery?
Prettycolors62 (8:49:29 PM): the coin looks to be from Athens
Prettycolors62 (8:49:41 PM): and have the Head of Diana on one side
synthasiadale (8:49:46 PM): hmm
Prettycolors62 (8:49:48 PM): and an owl on the other
Magesteff (8:49:56 PM): At Diana's Map, i.e. Diana's Grove?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:50:11 PM): that's a stretch
weirdwesk (8:50:12 PM): thats just what i was about to post
weirdwesk (8:50:19 PM): map at dianas
LittleShortGuy99 (8:50:19 PM): heh
weirdwesk (8:50:34 PM): does that make any sense dale?
synthasiadale (8:50:44 PM): no not off the top of my head
BarbarellaNY (8:50:48 PM): so there is a hidden map at Diana's grove?
synthasiadale (8:51:00 PM): a map at the grove?
(8:51:03 PM) urbanman202 has left the room.
weirdwesk (8:51:09 PM): dale
Sandra ctw (8:51:11 PM): Or even a visible one - the shows the trees or something.
synthasiadale (8:51:17 PM): what wes?
weirdwesk (8:51:22 PM): the trail map
synthasiadale (8:51:24 PM): what
weirdwesk (8:51:30 PM): the trail map
(8:51:31 PM) urbanman202 has entered the room.
Magesteff (8:51:43 PM): What trail map Wes
weirdwesk (8:51:46 PM): there is a map of the trails from the grove there
BarbarellaNY (8:51:53 PM): that's right, wasn't Diana working on that?
synthasiadale (8:51:57 PM): yes
ValasAzuviir (8:51:58 PM): which still hasn't been uploaded to the site btw
synthasiadale (8:52:16 PM): that may be it
Magesteff (8:52:26 PM): Hey give Sam a break he is working overtime lately! lol
weirdwesk (8:52:30 PM): that trail runs up to del doyle's place
LittleShortGuy99 (8:52:37 PM): hmm
Magesteff (8:52:49 PM): Weird stuff been happening in the bogs
weirdwesk (8:52:54 PM): and has a lot of brnaches of hidden offshoots along the way
pjhensley2 (8:53:08 PM): and they don't allow visitors
synthasiadale (8:53:10 PM): im trying to call sam right now
BarbarellaNY (8:53:13 PM): Has anyone talked with Del?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:53:14 PM): maybe something is hidden along the trail?
pjhensley2 (8:53:28 PM): they have no email addy and no way to contact them
Magesteff (8:53:38 PM): from what I hear about the Doyle's, they don't like visitors.
synthasiadale (8:53:49 PM): no answer from sam; that's strange
BarbarellaNY (8:53:51 PM): Isn't that near where you found the disk Wes?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:54:00 PM): dale: he got online, then got right off earlier
synthasiadale (8:54:02 PM): hold on im going to try something else
Enaxor (8:54:06 PM): the aglaura site shows connection failed
synthasiadale (8:54:10 PM): keep these people entertained wes
Magesteff (8:54:11 PM): Twice LSG
weirdwesk (8:54:27 PM): when did i become the back-up act?
LittleShortGuy99 (8:54:31 PM): i get the aglaura site fine
Prettycolors62 (8:54:33 PM): eeep
Enaxor (8:54:34 PM): lol
LittleShortGuy99 (8:54:34 PM): haha
LittleShortGuy99 (8:54:38 PM): tell a joke!
KyraSplash (8:54:39 PM): i saw him log on and log off a couple of times today
Magesteff (8:54:45 PM): Sam came on about 5, 5:15, then again shortly before you did Dale
Prettycolors62 (8:54:46 PM): I hope that Sam is oke
weirdwesk (8:54:51 PM): hold on here
Prettycolors62 (8:54:55 PM): maybe he is the one tht is going to change
Gupfee (8:54:57 PM): so wes, tell us about the new jersey devil
ValasAzuviir (8:55:08 PM): might be connection trouble.. several possible reasons why this could be occuring..
weirdwesk (8:55:14 PM): actually give me a moment and ill have something better to tell you about
BarbarellaNY (8:55:22 PM): isn't this path near wher you found the disk Wes?
KyraSplash (8:55:26 PM): *waiting*
LittleShortGuy99 (8:55:36 PM): wes: there are two new pages at mythosphere
MyssFitz (8:55:39 PM): I'm on Aglaura site now.
Enaxor (8:55:55 PM): I can't get it to load
ValasAzuviir (8:55:57 PM): http://www.aglauranj.org/recreation.htm l
Magesteff (8:56:00 PM): The left hand and the right hand paths so to speak at Mythosphere
Dashcat7 (8:56:06 PM): Where have you been Wes?
KyraSplash (8:56:31 PM): grumpyboy just posted a partial solve for the mythosphere sites: in all there is meaning beyond the myth
LittleShortGuy99 (8:56:43 PM): yeah
LittleShortGuy99 (8:56:50 PM): i am a bad translator Razz

weirdwesk (8:57:03 PM): ok
pjhensley2 (8:57:04 PM): oh insider you amoung the living here or what? your awfully quiet
Prettycolors62 (8:57:20 PM): maybe look for the truth behind the lie
weirdwesk (8:57:26 PM): about the manuscript pages
pjhensley2 (8:57:32 PM): ah a new subject
synthasiadale (8:57:49 PM): cant get a hold of sam
Dashcat7 (8:57:52 PM): Tell us Wes
Magesteff (8:57:59 PM): I hope Sam is OK...
weirdwesk (8:58:23 PM): there is more to this story than you all know, even now
Magesteff (8:58:44 PM): So fill us in Wes
weirdwesk (8:59:05 PM): and although i cant fill you in on all of it right at this moment, i promise to in a day or two
weirdwesk (8:59:12 PM): for now i can tell you this
Prettycolors62 (8:59:14 PM): tease
weirdwesk (8:59:27 PM): i didnt break into the Willingham's home
weirdwesk (8:59:33 PM): as many of you have assumed
synthasiadale (8:59:50 PM): wes are you sure about this?
BarbarellaNY (8:59:51 PM): Did the Wish?
weirdwesk (8:59:54 PM): yes dale
weirdwesk (8:59:58 PM): relax
weirdwesk (9:00:25 PM): but i did carry the first manuscript page to that guy in England
weirdwesk (9:00:29 PM): Penrose
weirdwesk (9:00:32 PM): Colin
weirdwesk (9:00:45 PM): he reminded me of a sleazy Phil Collins
synthasiadale (9:00:48 PM): lol
BarbarellaNY (9:00:50 PM): lol
weirdwesk (9:00:52 PM): anyway
KyraSplash (9:01:01 PM): phil collins is sleazy...oh did i say that out loud?
LittleShortGuy99 (9:01:10 PM): haha
weirdwesk (9:01:14 PM): i didnt break any laws
weirdwesk (9:01:27 PM): technically
weirdwesk (9:01:30 PM): Wink

BarbarellaNY (9:01:38 PM): spill
LittleShortGuy99 (9:01:39 PM): Surprised

Dashcat7 (9:01:43 PM): Who did?
weirdwesk (9:01:53 PM): and i got some good stuff out of mr. penrose
weirdwesk (9:02:01 PM): ah dashcat
Enaxor (9:02:01 PM): oh you had a key?
weirdwesk (9:02:09 PM): thats the part i cant spill yet
weirdwesk (9:02:19 PM): no enaxor
BarbarellaNY (9:02:20 PM): Sad

weirdwesk (9:02:26 PM): i wasnt in the house at all
weirdwesk (9:02:37 PM): but i difress
weirdwesk (9:02:41 PM): digress
weirdwesk (9:02:43 PM): lol
BarbarellaNY (9:02:44 PM): did it float out?
synthasiadale (9:02:56 PM): tough crowd wes
Enaxor (9:02:56 PM): it wasn't in the house either
weirdwesk (9:03:17 PM): do you want to know what i can tell you, or not?
Wabaloo (9:03:18 PM): what did you learn from Penrose?
BarbarellaNY (9:03:18 PM): maybe fell off the truck?
Magesteff (9:03:22 PM): Was it in the trunk?
LittleShortGuy99 (9:03:28 PM): guys, lets simmer
Prettycolors62 (9:03:30 PM): shhhhhh
LittleShortGuy99 (9:03:31 PM): let wes talk
Enaxor (9:03:32 PM): sorry wes
synthasiadale (9:03:40 PM): good he loves this stuff
synthasiadale (9:03:46 PM): dont feed his ego lol
LittleShortGuy99 (9:03:51 PM): haha
Enaxor (9:03:51 PM): lol
weirdwesk (9:04:02 PM): listen wish boy
weirdwesk (9:04:06 PM): ok enough
weirdwesk (9:04:30 PM): penrose may be somewhat obsessed and single minded
weirdwesk (9:04:45 PM): but hes done a lot of reserach into Trithemius
weirdwesk (9:05:11 PM): the man he believes made the pages that have been found
weirdwesk (9:05:57 PM): Penrose's research into Trithemius lead him to believe that Trithemius belonged to one
weirdwesk (9:06:13 PM): if not many "secret" organizations or sects of knowledge
weirdwesk (9:06:40 PM): and that many of his writings contain clues to this secret and/or scared knowledge
weirdwesk (9:06:52 PM): none of that is really new or startling
weirdwesk (9:07:05 PM): many scholARS HAVE TURNED UP THE SAME THINGS
weirdwesk (9:07:12 PM): oops sorry
weirdwesk (9:07:24 PM): but
weirdwesk (9:07:35 PM): Penrose has found indications
weirdwesk (9:08:03 PM): hand written notes, letters, even partial passages in other Trithemius manuscripts
weirdwesk (9:08:38 PM): leading him to believe Trithemius was one of something called "the Nine"
weirdwesk (9:09:22 PM): he has found several references that say Trithemius was "one of nine"
weirdwesk (9:09:35 PM): furthermore
weirdwesk (9:10:17 PM): penrose believes that these "nine" are beings or people
weirdwesk (9:10:42 PM): who have learned things or made discoveries
weirdwesk (9:11:20 PM): and have somehow become something more than or different than human
weirdwesk (9:11:42 PM): he specifically showed me writings from Trithemius
weirdwesk (9:12:16 PM): in which he talks about travelling between worlds or realms or dimensions, or whatever you want to call them
BarbarellaNY (9:12:39 PM): they transmuted?
weirdwesk (9:12:50 PM): its these worlds he credits for inspiring the unusual drawings, scripts and knowledge found in his other manuscripts
LittleShortGuy99 (9:13:21 PM): "When you meet anything that's going to be Human and isn't yet, or used to be Human and isn't now, or ought to be Human but isn't, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet"
synthasiadale (9:13:23 PM): yes ive looked through other Trithemius material and its all very strange
Magesteff (9:13:25 PM): Sounds like the ppl at the moorish Ashram...
weirdwesk (9:13:33 PM): anyway
weirdwesk (9:13:50 PM): the famous Trithemius set called the Steganographia
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weirdwesk (9:14:52 PM): contains refernces throughout
weirdwesk (9:15:11 PM): about containing the knowledge and means to do this same thing
weirdwesk (9:15:28 PM): "journey between worlds" so to speak
weirdwesk (9:15:44 PM): and the third volume of the Steganographia when translated
weirdwesk (9:15:52 PM): contains nothing but nonsense
Magesteff (9:16:10 PM): What about the possible fourth book....
weirdwesk (9:16:16 PM): thats why Penrose is convinced that this lost "fourth book"
weirdwesk (9:16:31 PM): actually contains the secret or hidden knowledge
weirdwesk (9:17:07 PM): actually the first two Steganographia books mention a fourth book
weirdwesk (9:17:17 PM): in their introductionary sections
weirdwesk (9:17:29 PM): but because it had never been published or found
weirdwesk (9:17:42 PM): it has gone largely ignored throughout history
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synthasiadale (9:17:59 PM): tell them how "the wish" ties in wes
weirdwesk (9:18:06 PM): im getting to that dale
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weirdwesk (9:18:37 PM): penrose has actaully had many authorities looking at the images of the pages he has
weirdwesk (9:18:59 PM): and has translated the first two of them pretty thoroughly
weirdwesk (9:19:26 PM): both of them contain a reference to something called "the wish"
weirdwesk (9:19:51 PM): in fact depending on the interpretation
weirdwesk (9:20:24 PM): it can be read as if that is the title or intent of the work - finding or catching the wish
LittleShortGuy99 (9:20:33 PM): yes, we translated that as well, wes
LittleShortGuy99 (9:20:39 PM): "Chasing the Wish"
KyraSplash (9:20:56 PM): well that is just what we need - a way to catch the wish
weirdwesk (9:21:02 PM): yes but there are a couple of important points to consider here
weirdwesk (9:21:10 PM): first
weirdwesk (9:21:25 PM): penrose thinks that is too literal a translation
BarbarellaNY (9:21:30 PM): or do we, is that the choice we will have to make?
synthasiadale (9:21:34 PM): yes but he doesnt know what we know wes
weirdwesk (9:21:40 PM): i realize that
weirdwesk (9:22:17 PM): but he says it may just mean or symbolize man's desire to move beyond the mundane mortal world
weirdwesk (9:22:26 PM): into the realm of the spiritual or sacred
ValasAzuviir (9:22:38 PM): Or what the Don and certain members of his family know.
weirdwesk (9:22:55 PM): one other important thing though
weirdwesk (9:23:25 PM): Penrose confirms that the rest of the Latin text on the page is significant in two ways
weirdwesk (9:23:44 PM): first it is written in a style similar to that with Trithemius employed
weirdwesk (9:23:55 PM): im no Latin expert
weirdwesk (9:24:15 PM): but i understand there are many different ways to write and say the same sentence or phrase
Magesteff (9:24:33 PM): So someone else finished the page...
weirdwesk (9:25:10 PM): and that Trithemius, actually used a strange almost personalized version of it in ceratin documents
weirdwesk (9:25:27 PM): but thats not conclusive obviously just interesting
weirdwesk (9:25:39 PM): more importantly is the meaning of the text
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weirdwesk (9:26:51 PM): Penrose claims the text on the second page talks about different worlds and moving between them
weirdwesk (9:27:16 PM): and almsot promises that the following pages would explain how to do this
weirdwesk (9:27:56 PM): so far he has only seen pictures of what he thinks is the third page
weirdwesk (9:28:05 PM): but
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weirdwesk (9:28:29 PM): i believe i have located the actual page or am on the verge of finding it
LittleShortGuy99 (9:29:01 PM): excellent
synthasiadale (9:29:05 PM): please its important that noone tell Penrose this
weirdwesk (9:29:18 PM): at least for now, that's right
Magesteff (9:29:46 PM): ok
weirdwesk (9:29:49 PM): we have another use for him and need leverage as insurance
weirdwesk (9:29:55 PM): believe me though
weirdwesk (9:30:12 PM): this need for secrecy wont last long we're hoping
MyssFitz (9:30:24 PM): another use for him?
weirdwesk (9:30:33 PM): yes
MyssFitz (9:30:45 PM): any hints?
weirdwesk (9:31:03 PM): remember what i said about not breaking any laws and not entering the Willingham home?
MyssFitz (9:31:10 PM): yes
ValasAzuviir (9:31:34 PM): yes.. uhm.. you overlooked something btw regarding that situation..
ValasAzuviir (9:32:06 PM): Chapter 113, section 2314 and section 2315 of the US Code.
Dashcat7 (9:32:18 PM): lol
weirdwesk (9:32:25 PM): well i didnt say laws werent broken, i said i didnt break them - Penrose knows and can prove what actually happened
KyraSplash (9:32:52 PM): *sorry to interrupt* but any luck finding Sam, Dale?
Magesteff (9:32:52 PM): So he was an eye witness?
MyssFitz (9:32:57 PM): who did break them?
ValasAzuviir (9:33:08 PM): they deal with the transportation of stolen property and the sale of said items
weirdwesk (9:33:19 PM): valas
weirdwesk (9:33:37 PM): if the items were not "stolen" at the time i transported them
weirdwesk (9:33:45 PM): that wouldnt apply would it?
Magesteff (9:33:55 PM): Wes have you been talking to Phylis?
synthasiadale (9:34:02 PM): awes be careful we need to
weirdwesk (9:34:11 PM): i know dale
MyssFitz (9:34:11 PM): you naughty boy;-)
ValasAzuviir (9:34:21 PM): that would entail that JD willingham gave you the items..
weirdwesk (9:34:21 PM): anyway
weirdwesk (9:34:29 PM): i never said that
weirdwesk (9:34:32 PM): valas
Magesteff (9:34:45 PM): Not directly anyway...
synthasiadale (9:34:54 PM): you've said too much wes
weirdwesk (9:35:05 PM): we're among friends
MyssFitz (9:35:10 PM): So JD was talking to you on the phone?
weirdwesk (9:35:26 PM): listen be patient about that subject
LittleShortGuy99 (9:35:31 PM): whoa, guys, slow down on the allegations
weirdwesk (9:35:34 PM): there is a lot at stake yet
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MyssFitz (9:35:44 PM): no allegations, just a question.
weirdwesk (9:36:10 PM): one last thing about the manuscript pages
weirdwesk (9:36:21 PM): im emailing penrose tonight
weirdwesk (9:36:31 PM): to tell him im on the trail of the third page
weirdwesk (9:36:45 PM): and asking him to send me pics so i can identify it for sure
weirdwesk (9:37:08 PM): if i receive them, we'll get them posted somewhere discretely
weirdwesk (9:37:16 PM): any word from sam yet dale?
ValasAzuviir (9:37:20 PM): I know, and I don't mind.. In my line of work.. acquiring items is sometimes a given.. my concern is dale here. he's in enough trouble as is, having law enforcement after him at this stage would be.. problematic..
synthasiadale (9:37:33 PM): no
synthasiadale (9:37:41 PM): im think im going to go over there
Magesteff (9:37:53 PM): Be careful
weirdwesk (9:37:55 PM): i tell you what, ill meet you there
Magesteff (9:38:15 PM): Both of you be careful... Carol said they have returned...
Sandra ctw (9:38:23 PM): And check in with us when you know he's ok.
synthasiadale (9:38:29 PM): someone just im'd me that sam said something about going out to Ash Grove Park
KyraSplash (9:38:36 PM): who?
synthasiadale (9:38:37 PM): did he tell anyone else that?
MyssFitz (9:38:42 PM): Uh oh
Magesteff (9:38:43 PM): No.
LittleShortGuy99 (9:38:46 PM): Surprised

Dashcat7 (9:38:51 PM): Oh, not alone
weirdwesk (9:38:52 PM): he wouldnt do that dale
LittleShortGuy99 (9:38:54 PM): dale - did you see this?
weirdwesk (9:38:55 PM): sams a wuss
synthasiadale (9:38:59 PM): lol
LittleShortGuy99 (9:38:59 PM): www.ashgrovepark.com
ValasAzuviir (9:39:18 PM): lets hope that Sal and Marco are not up to their old tricks again..
Magesteff (9:39:20 PM): Maybe he saw the page chaged back like the rest of us noticed?
synthasiadale (9:39:21 PM): yeah you're probably right
synthasiadale (9:39:46 PM): i think sal my actually be some use to us valas
MyssFitz (9:39:48 PM): Anyone talk to Desire Hunter?
synthasiadale (9:39:54 PM): but lets keep that quite for now too, ok?
ValasAzuviir (9:40:06 PM): of course..
LittleShortGuy99 (9:40:10 PM): dale: i assume you saw the AGP page?
weirdwesk (9:40:13 PM): ok im out thanks for everything everyone
LittleShortGuy99 (9:40:14 PM): any thoughts on that?
synthasiadale (9:40:18 PM): yes
synthasiadale (9:40:21 PM): i did
LittleShortGuy99 (9:40:21 PM): thank you wes
Magesteff (9:40:24 PM): Thanks, Wes
synthasiadale (9:40:26 PM): wes ill be there soon
MyssFitz (9:40:27 PM): Good luck guys. Thanks
pjhensley2 (9:40:28 PM): bye wes
Dashcat7 (9:40:32 PM): Nite Wes
KyraSplash (9:40:33 PM): thanks Wes
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ValasAzuviir (9:40:42 PM): btw I do think the two of you are underestimating Sam..
synthasiadale (9:40:57 PM): yes i saw the agp site
synthasiadale (9:41:04 PM): and we are planning to go out there
Magesteff (9:41:04 PM): But we worry about him just the same...
synthasiadale (9:41:10 PM): but i dont think sam would go alone
ValasAzuviir (9:41:18 PM): dale..
LittleShortGuy99 (9:41:25 PM): do you have any theories about how/why it was changed?
synthasiadale (9:41:25 PM): i need to see if digitalis is there
ValasAzuviir (9:41:27 PM): same was willing to go to your house the night of your return
ValasAzuviir (9:41:36 PM): the same night that wes went poof
synthasiadale (9:41:47 PM): i know valas i wasnt belittling him
MyssFitz (9:41:49 PM): Little- Summer Solstice
synthasiadale (9:41:56 PM): wes was but only in jest i think
synthasiadale (9:42:06 PM): i owe sam my life
synthasiadale (9:42:11 PM): literally
KyraSplash (9:42:17 PM): well then you better get over there, in case he needs you to save his...
synthasiadale (9:42:25 PM): yes you are right
KyraSplash (9:42:31 PM): let us know.
synthasiadale (9:42:33 PM): thanks and ill be in touch
Magesteff (9:42:40 PM): Thanks, Dale
LittleShortGuy99 (9:42:40 PM): thanks dale
KyraSplash (9:42:42 PM): thanks Dale
ValasAzuviir (9:42:44 PM): means we can get back to our puzzles too. *g*
synthasiadale (9:42:48 PM): ill see what i can do about getting a pic of the trail map posted by tomorrow
Magesteff (9:42:58 PM): Valas?
MyssFitz (9:43:01 PM): Thanks Dale
LittleShortGuy99 (9:43:04 PM): great, thanks dale
synthasiadale (9:43:09 PM): from dianas grove
Prettycolors62 (9:43:13 PM): take care dale
ValasAzuviir (9:43:16 PM): yeah mage..
synthasiadale (9:43:25 PM): ok good night
tartanwolf2 (9:43:26 PM): nite dale, good luck
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Sandra ctw (9:43:34 PM): Dale, thanks for all the help and information. Tell Wes he did a great job and gave us lots of fodder for thought.
Magesteff (9:43:36 PM): If you're in town, could you keep an eye on Phyllis?
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synthasiadale (9:44:05 PM): thanks
Magesteff (9:44:05 PM): Sounds like JD is a bit tense lately...
Prettycolors62 (9:44:08 PM): yes she is in need of help
synthasiadale (9:44:11 PM): wes will appreciate the props
synthasiadale (9:44:13 PM): lol
Prettycolors62 (9:44:14 PM): and wont ask for it
Sandra ctw (9:44:39 PM): Dale, we believe in you.
LittleShortGuy99 (9:44:45 PM): it's weird helping out someone who is on the other side of the country who we only know by internet. we'll have to have a dale reunion once this is all over!
ValasAzuviir (9:44:50 PM): fraid I'm not hun.. if I were.. well.. let's just say I'd have folks watching Sam at the moment..
Magesteff (9:44:59 PM): OK...
synthasiadale (9:45:00 PM): yes that sounds great
synthasiadale (9:45:07 PM): you can all come to Aglaura
LittleShortGuy99 (9:45:10 PM): w00t!
ValasAzuviir (9:45:14 PM): anyway. gl and godspeed dale..
MyssFitz (9:45:27 PM): I'll be there
tartanwolf2 (9:45:36 PM): count me in
Magesteff (9:45:41 PM): Good luck Dale.... tell Sam we will keep all of you in our thoughts
synthasiadale (9:45:49 PM): thanks
LittleShortGuy99 (9:46:04 PM): /me pulls out map. Colorado....... New Jersey....
KyraSplash (9:46:15 PM): take a plane LSG!
Sandra ctw (9:46:16 PM): Someone got the log of this?
LittleShortGuy99 (9:46:20 PM): /me holds up fingers. "That's like THIS far!"
Magesteff (9:46:25 PM): yes
Sandra ctw (9:46:36 PM): Great. Then I don't have to. Smile

MyssFitz (9:46:41 PM): Thanks Mage. I missed the first part of it.
Magesteff (9:47:16 PM): I got everything after I got invited, but I don't think I missed much more than the meet & greet.
KyraSplash (9:47:20 PM): Dale? Are you waiting on something? Just curious....
Sandra ctw (9:47:48 PM): I just copied it, so if there's anything missing I've got it. I was here well before it started.
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LittleShortGuy99 (9:47:59 PM): heh
KyraSplash (9:48:16 PM): didn't mean to push him out or anything....
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Sandra ctw (9:48:19 PM): Laterz.
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ValasAzuviir (9:48:26 PM): he said thanks for everything guys.. looks like he put it in the wrong window
MyssFitz (9:48:35 PM): Sure Kyra:-D
Magesteff (9:48:50 PM): In a hurry to get to Sam...
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KyraSplash (9:49:09 PM): I'm gone
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MyssFitz (9:49:32 PM): Did Dale talk about Greywethers at all?
Magesteff (9:49:39 PM): No.
MyssFitz (9:50:03 PM): Insider?
Magesteff (9:50:11 PM): Covered the Disc and the Trithemius Manuscriot.
MyssFitz (9:50:21 PM): Thanks Mage
Magesteff (9:50:30 PM): we'll post to the BBS
MyssFitz (9:50:33 PM): I didn't miss too much then.
Magesteff (9:51:33 PM): If everyone thinks we are done I will go post now....
MyssFitz (9:51:52 PM): Barb, you were in the "white" group in the beginning. Did you get anything yet?

If anything interesting happened before I got in, please let us know.

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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:57 pm

MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Posts: 2716
Location: State of Denial

Sam checks in....

Got an e-mail from Sam, he fell asleep and didn't wake to the sound of the phone ringing.

Full text posted under "Sam's Reply" thread.

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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:10 pm

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