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[S2] [Dice set] #232 Gel Together
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Rand0m
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[S2] [Dice set] #232 Gel Together

One from Kurt.

Front:

Background is an image of leaves with some birds / animals: looks like a giraffe, a penguin, a rabbit, a heron or some other wading bird, a wolf and an elephant.

Then, in a grid with some empty spaces:

Code:
 BR | ALF | BMZ
1MZ | 3MT | V35
2AP | 25T | DSC
2HP | 1AC | SRB
    | ZH3 |   
GU5 | MTG | 3MA
16A |     | 3MC
    | AAD | ASI
MTD | CLB | MEV
NGO | 623 | ABI
    | 678 | 1P3
1AL |     | TOC
AAR | IOD |   
6CL | 144 |   
ABH |     |


Back:

A letter typed on a torn-off piece of paper with the city skyline as its footer.

Quote:

From the correspondence of Gwynneth Hughes, Councillor, sealed under the 150-year-rule until 203AC


Goodwin -

I must impress upon you the urgency of bringing the Academy more firmly under our control. They go about, those people, like black beetles with their overcoats and stooped frames, thinking themselves lords of all they survey. I tell you they are no better than any book-scribbler at whom we poked fun when we were children! We are still rebuilding, still learning to feed and house ourselves as we did easily a scant half-century ago. I will not allow the public monies to be diverted into their useless exercises of attempting to split monads into particles, or whatever fool nonsense now possesses them.

I tell you, Goodwin, it is not mere prejudice that lends me this opinion. I was present when one of that monstrous regiment of scholars murdered a child. I did not witness the murder, of course, but I am sure that it occurred. I was a mere child myself, in the Academy on a schoolboy outing. One of the Academicians promised to show my play-fellow some "magic", but I, hiding behind a door for fear of him, heard him beckon to one of his colleagues and say that he had found the ideal "subject" for their tests, for they needed a child and they had found an orphan one. That child disappeared and was never found, Goodwin, obscured as surely as if in a blizzard of snow. That is what their scholarly pursuits amount to.

Ah, but you will say it is but one of my fancies. I tell you that it is not. In either case, it is for you to tell the Academy no! They cannot have their money!

Yrs affect,
Gwynneth.

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Caz
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My theory is that this has something to do with genetics (says the genetics brained person). From the title and the image what i think we are looking at is an electrophoresis gel of three different strings of DNA possible from different animals etc. The codes are genes i think and the missing pieces may be spaces in the gel set or microsatellites (bands of junk DNA used to fingerprint people with) maybe we have to identify the simliarity or the particular thing it is coding for. For instance 2HP could be the harry potter gene so called because it prpomotes longevity.
I haven't researched it yet though so i could be wrong.

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the solve page asks for a one word answer, which isn't electrophoresis
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kareyn01
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Its a small thing, but the lettering in the top left "BR" is actually centered in its block Rand0m, so it doesn't look like that one is actually missing anything.

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AndyAndyO
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I can confirm it's not......
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DeoxyriboNucleicAcid



- worth a try though!

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grendelrob
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Haven't had a chance to spend a great deal of time with this, but a quick search shows that

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All of the abbreviations are ligands.


What to do with that (if anything), I don't know.

Rob

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They are ligands, and are classified by the number of non-hydrogen atoms in them. This code can be converted into a list of numbers based on that fact, maybe turning the list into a question, where the blank slots indicate a 'space' (might need some ROT-ing, or other coding, or could be completely wrong). Alternatively, there may be a pattern where the blanks may only be filled by a particular ligand/code, where those codes form the question/answer in some way


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twixwolf
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This site may help...

http://www.ebi.ac.uk/msd-srv/chempdb/cgi-bin/cgi.pl?FUNCTION=getByCode&CODE=BR
to find any ligand, change the letters after 'CODE=' in the URL

... Then again, it may not


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Caz
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For the benefit of people who aren't biochemists or are a bit rusty

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a ligand is a molecule that will bind to a complementary site on a given structure, e.g oxygen is a ligand for heamoglobin


I don't think we have to take our ones and make a sentance with them as it wouldn't make sense but my current theories are

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all the ones i've looked at seem to have a pharmaceutical basis so maybe it's a a drug in gel form (hence title)

maybe it's things used or that match up in a ligase chain reaction

I think we need to find the specific jobs of them and then compare them to get some kind of similarity

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steamer
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while lookintg on google around the animals i found

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Penguins and storks have a close relationship this may have a bearing on the parents in the answer


this may be a red herring and as i have no genetic knowledge beyond wikipedia/google so could anyone with a clue look in2 this for me

or just trout me if this is a bad line of thought

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grendelrob
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Following a similar train of thougth to what Caz has above, I started thinking more of how the background connects to the "table".

In true Broadside fashion, I can say that the following WAG's are wrong...
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morphogenesis, morphogens, progenitor, organogenesis, neurulation, and amniotes.


While my train of thought is usually hard to follow, even for me Wink , here goes
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I started thinking that the eventual question or word created from the table (if any) would lead to what all of those animals have in common or the "originator" of the vertebrate line. Still not sure if there may be something to this line of thought or not.


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AndyAndyO
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Last card to be cracked this wave!
Failed attempts list

Okay – final silver needs cracking! As previous posts show, this is not my specialist subject.

While researching phylogeny I found this site…
http://evolution.genetics.washington.edu/phylip/software.html

Don't quite know what we can do with it, but it seems like there's a lot of software out there dedicated to this subject.

Also discovered the tree of life project – again, lots of information here, but don't know if it's useful.
http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html

But another useful idea would be to combine all failed attempts in one place …. Here's a list of those I've tried, and others have posted…..

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liger
fropig
frippo
tigon
zorse
ligand
electrophoresis
genesis
morphogenesis
morphogens
progenitor
organogenesis
deoxyribonucleicacid
monkey
elephant
tretretretre
hybridomas
phylogenetics
dolly
sheep
neurulation
amniotes


I'll try and keep this list updated as I try other lines – or as others post their attempts.

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Shaph
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I recently broke out my old molecule building set from college chem to see if building the molecules and putting them near each other might do anything for me- so far, no dice. I have made a lot of cool-looking shapes, though! Smile

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Shaph wrote:
I recently broke out my old molecule building set from college chem to see if building the molecules and putting them near each other might do anything for me- so far, no dice. I have made a lot of cool-looking shapes, though! Smile


Feel free to share the pictures Wink Smile

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Shaph
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If only I had the technical know-how (or a working camera) to do so... Sad

I just kinda followed along the pictures from the link in a post above and tried to jumble them. All I got were some strange looks from my work colleagues, and a bunch of nothing... one of em looks like a doggy! If I can get a camera I'll show that one.

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No worries, I don't have a camera either so I can understand that.

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