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#205 Whipsmart Hot Fudge
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Curlytek
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This nice little problem can be done using two scale diagrams, one of the side on view similar to devjoes, and one of the top down view showing the max size of four circles in a bigger circle....and then you only need to do two simple pieces of maths: 1) work out the dimensions of the cone (or, the triangle in the 2D diagram) with a bit of pythag, and 2) work out how far from the centre line the chocolate scoop needs to be using a simple ratio from the top down view.

Be precise using a nice drawing package that lets you define the dimensions of the objects nicely, line up the edges well and presto, you can take your answer straight from the picture.

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Dragonscales
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Bloody hell... Whipsmart don't care about their customers, do they? Making us figure out the exact measurements of ice-cream. I wouldn't know - I would have eaten it before the question started.

Ben
Very Happy

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almagest
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No, I don't think this is a nice little problem at all! The exact solution is:

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(194/121) - 52t/121 - (116 Sqrt(3+t))/121 + (76/121) Sqrt(9+3t), where t = Sqrt 3.


You call that nice!

Edit - Added spoiler tags. -Cass

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crovax1234
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Noone ever said it was a pretty equation. Also, please spoiler tag that equation.

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rosemary
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Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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for anyone who is still struggling, I don't know if this will help but the key to the drawings is

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a line that meets a curve (circle) at only one point is a tangent to that curve. ie it meets it at 90 degrees.


And


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angles in a straight line must add to 180 degrees


Also

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for two triangles, if they have the same base point, and the lines for the two sides from the base extend outward to form the second triangle (ie the angle at the base is the same), the ratio of the sides opposite the base equals the ratio of the equivalent sides of the original triangle compared to the extended triangle.


having said that, after I'd formed the equations, I don't think I would have solved them without mathcad. This was harder than I expected for a black, compared to some of the others or indeed some of the silvers
My apologies if anyone thinks I'm trying to teach them to suck eggs, but this was intended for those who didn't understand the maths behind the drawings so beautifully illustrated previously.

Just read the post below and realised I made this far harder than I needed to. I ended up with weird equations in terms of inverse sine and cosine functions. Embarassed
Embarassed

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fretty
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That's a good point, rosemary, because I use these facts often, I take them as obvoius. That's why there are lots of people stuck with this.

There is one thing though, how come you couldn't solve the end equations, I only ended up with simple trig equations and one quadratic at the end (which was easily solved using the formula).

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Platinumflux
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Had to admit, I panicked when I saw the answer would involve trig!
But drew the solution on Coreldraw and got the answer in 5 minutes!
My first answer was

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1.135

But they wanted two decimal places so rounded up to
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1.14

I put the inaccuracy down to me!

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jerethdagryphon
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 alternate route

i got the answer correctly by using a cad program c4d to be presise
theres was no need for trig or anything just basic maths

anyways nice card Very Happy

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