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#242 silver star set ciphers of history
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chichiri
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 		#242 silver star set ciphers of history
When professor Hale catches students passing notes in class.
he reads them out loud.
Naturally, his students have turned to extreme measures to avoid embarrassment.what does this note say?

I can't scan right now, so could someone import from card catalog please.

also there are equations on a sheet in the background but are really small and I can't read them.

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 		The note looks like it's written in Hebrew.... Atbash cipher perhaps?

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ReeKorl wrote:
The note looks like it's written in Hebrew.... Atbash cipher perhaps?


After looking at wiki, it looks like its certainly Hebrew, and the Atbash cipher seems like the most likely candidate given the title of the card and the fact that it's Hebrew.
So, i presume that first you apply the simple Atbash decryption to the text (e.g. in English: A=Z, B=Y, C=X...M=N and vice versa), and you have the original Hebrew text. All you need to do then is translate the Hebrew, any Hebrew speakers among us?
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 		Thinking about this, we may not need a Hebrew speaker but a Greek speaker..... I seem to remember that sometimes the Hebrew was taken, run backwards through the transposition, and formed a Greek word rather than a Hebrew one.

Wasn't this in the Da Vinci Code somewhere?

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 		Attached is my attempt at doing the atbash conversion for the Hebrew characters. It may have some errors in it as ive never looked at Hebrew so i might have made some mistakes. I dont know where to start with translating it, couldn't find a free online translator, so we''ll have to hope for some help on that front, and hope that we are right with the atbash idea.
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 		This could prove useful...

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/Number666/Hebrew.html

xy=600 on the side of the card. Could we be looking for something mathematical?

Also could Professor Hale be a real Doc?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2001/hale.html
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 		Von's clue:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Count ont his cipher being twice as hard as it looks (spelling as in text message received)

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 		well, umm...sounds like fun, I now have the whole silver star set, just need to solve this and shuffled!

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chichiri
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 		It seems like there's something hidden in the note, there seem to be shadowed letters on their sides underneath the cipher text.

I can't make sense of any of this, help!

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 		I am lucky enough to have received this card in my batch of wave 2 cards.

It is definitely in Hebrew. Why, though, is it in such a strange shape? It looks a bit like a capital R. Why are there gaps in the 4th-7th lines?

No 'word' is more than three letters long, but perhaps this is normal for Hebrew. Remember, Hebrew is read from right to left.

There is a faint shadow next to the left hand 'words' in rows five, six and seven. This appears to be a larger version of the right hand 'word' in row six, rotated by 90 degrees. It also says XY=600 on the blackboard, in case that is relevant.
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 		Just gonna throw some ideas in the air.

Perhaps its not hebrew then but a related language?
I was watching Egypt last nite on BBC and the second type of writing on the rosetta stone looked similar to this. (coptic? or draconic or somat?)
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locqust wrote:
I was watching Egypt last nite on BBC and the second type of writing on the rosetta stone looked similar to this. (coptic? or draconic or somat?)


I also saw this program, very interesting. When thinking of Shuffled and the Thirteenth Labour cards, the task of solving them seems sooo much easier compared to the task of decrypting hieroglyphs in the 1800s when they had no idea how to read em, or even if they could be read at all.

i believe the language on the bottom of the Rosetta stone was Greek, which gave the researchers some clues as to how to convert the glyphs to individual sounds so that they could be read (even if it took a decade or two). The symbols are definitely Hebrew, but it may well need to be converted to another language's alphabet in order to translate it, who knows. Id say from the sound of Vons hint that it needs to go thru a few conversions.
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 		Yeah there is three types on the stone though. Heiroglyphs, greek and another that is inbetween the two.
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 		I was thinking that perhaps we need to use both atbash and gematria.

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