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Coded phone call (Justice Forsaken)
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jamesi
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Snic wrote:
Hey guys, asked to pass this along, hopefully not a violation of ToS, this is a little grey to me since it's not really IG information, though it is realted to the game and given to me by a PM. Either way, this isn't meant to be a violation and if it is for any reason feel free to delete it:


Yeah, it's information given by a PM about aspects of their own game. Surely if they are creative enough, they can find an IG way to give this sort of information out to their player base. No slight against you, Snic, for you seem to want to do the right thing, but this is a no-no.

And, hey, PM team, since you are so intent on influencing this thread, take note -- thin ice is a dangerous surface to try to skate on. You can stop trying to get around the TOS agreement here through player manipulation right now. Have a problem? Contact me directly. The next 'grey area' I see this thread moving into and I lock it up.
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aliendial
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And PMs should have faith that players will, for example, notice that needed diagrams have reappeared, and maybe even invent an in-game reason for it if you can't supply one, and are quite capable of critiquing a flawed vigenere puzzle after in-game breadcrumbs finally get players to the intended solution. etc etc
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oraclle
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aliendial wrote:
...needed diagrams have reappeared,...


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
In this case I don't think they are needed - I'm getting 'ballerina' using negativland as input which would suggest that the clue was intended for decoding the previous puzzle(kudos to negativeview btw).


Synthesis appeared to not know that the full text was cracked so they gave us the icicle line from a Negativland song(Clowns & Ballerinas according to IU).

They said the diagrams were posted by special request - probably just some guy who was being driven crazy by the thought of an unsolved puzzle.

I don't get why they didn't just create an account on UF or IU and post the diagrams as someone who saved 'em. Instead they post something that is no longer relevant(I assume) and congratulate the guys here for solving the puzzle so fast...

...seems a little to much is showing from behind the curtain to me but that's just my opinion; hindsight makes a wonderful general, etc.

Sorry if I used the spoiler tag incorrectly but I don't know how much people may know/suspect. I, for instance, thought it would be a puzzle going to the next level.

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Phaedra
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oraclle wrote:
aliendial wrote:
...needed diagrams have reappeared,...


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
In this case I don't think they are needed - I'm getting 'ballerina' using negativland as input which would suggest that the clue was intended for decoding the previous puzzle(kudos to negativeview btw).


Synthesis appeared to not know that the full text was cracked so they gave us the icicle line from a Negativland song(Clowns & Ballerinas according to IU).

They said the diagrams were posted by special request - probably just some guy who was being driven crazy by the thought of an unsolved puzzle.

I don't get why they didn't just create an account on UF or IU and post the diagrams as someone who saved 'em.


Well, they're free to do that on IU, I guess, but here, for a PM to pretend to be a player during their game is a violation of the Terms of Service and a bannable offense.

Plus it's just bad form. Confused
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oraclle
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Ah - just thought it was a standard ToS for posting; I have now read and am up-to-date.

I still don't see the point of posting those diagrams in the blog though unless they are actually going to be useful(this is where they send out a new clue and make them uselful Smile murphy's law).

I just get the sense that this game is unravelling somewhat as far as the alternate reality side goes - seems a shame after two+ years of development(according to them).

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negativeview
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I was away from electricity for a while (don't ask). I just want to point out that I did not get the input (apparently Negativland). I got most of the output and quasi-brute-forced the rest. If the input is to be important later, then we did need the diagrams re-posted.

When I first saw Negativland I thought it was a reference to me. Heh.

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Eh, it probably was a little too far on the side of grey, but I was glad of the notification regardless. I wouldn't have found out about the diagrams at all, because by the time I got back from my trip, they'd been taken down. So when I opened up the blog, all I saw was the coded message and since it was a fairly new clue, I figured it'd be the same until we figured it out. The talk of diagrams actually confused me because I kept looking at the blog window like, "Are we back on trying to find pictures in code again?"
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Well, I have to say - I think for a "grassroots" effort, I have given it a good go... I've been patient, I've looked past the "peeks behind the curtain", but having a PM have to EXPLAIN themselves to a player THEN want them to let us know of their mistakes is going too far.

I know you're reading this - Take me OFF of your IM's, I'll be the first to say that I'm done. This is stupid and going nowhere.

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Elferien
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Esteed wrote:
Eh, it probably was a little too far on the side of grey, but I was glad of the notification regardless. I wouldn't have found out about the diagrams at all, because by the time I got back from my trip, they'd been taken down. So when I opened up the blog, all I saw was the coded message and since it was a fairly new clue, I figured it'd be the same until we figured it out. The talk of diagrams actually confused me because I kept looking at the blog window like, "Are we back on trying to find pictures in code again?"

I agree it was good for them to repost the diagrams, because they were there so little while, they were part of the current puzzle and there was no reason for them to be removed.
But the "By special request, diagrams reposted" was well enough said about it. Giving the puzzles at IU beforehand is also quite weird, I think they too can find the clues from the page themselves, which is a part of the gameplay one might not want to rip off.
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New post by Travis at IU http://www.immersionunlimited.com/index.php?topic=2618.0

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It's me, not much time to talk but I'm on the run right now. Synthesis has invaded my house and I just barely made it out in time. I'm trying to find a place to hide out for a while, while trying to keep a wi-fi signal nearby. Once I find a good place to hide out at I will contact you all again.

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Elferien
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Invaded his house.. Shocked
I was thinking Synthesis only attacked minds. Laughing
Anyway. Seems like we might get updated on that soon.
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Dr3dg
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Another update at IU. Travis is going to be on the #justice chat at 8pm EST

http://www.immersionunlimited.com/index.php?topic=2623.0

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Esteed
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At last, more interaction! I'll be sure to be there. Anyone have any ideas on where he could hide out in a secure fashion? He could live ala T3's John Connor, but that'd require him to go into internet cafes, which would leave a little bit of a trail, with witnesses and all. He could also try and falsify identification and get cheap housing with internet access or something. The major problem will be in keeping Synthesis from predicting his next move, whatever it is.

There is the possibility of making TWO moves. Falsify identity records, secure cheap housing with the help of a paid actor - or hell, even just some bum off the street who wouldn't say no to a place to stay on somebody else's dollar - and have that actor/bum/whatever live there. Meanwhile he lives off the grid, ducking into internet cafes in order to get access to the internet. Synthesis may very well predict both those moves, but would they be able to go as far as to predict which is the one the real Travis is using? If they only predicted one, there's a 50-50 chance they'd be wrong, but if they predicted both, Synthesis would likely be thrown into at least a little chaos as they tried to decide which possibility was the right one. This would keep them off balance and enable Travis to form a more comprehensive battle plan.
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Okay lots has gone down. There was a chat with Travis, and I missed most of it. Ask Esteed or Audioslave for more about that... And all of the other blog posts are now gone, replaced by a new one.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It's a picture, with ciphered text in the background. A quick check showed that it wasn't ROT or atbash, so I started trying vigenere. Just semi-obvious words... Got it on 'Synthesis.'

"Travis has been found and will be neutralized. We thank you for your help in finding him. We are busily working on the divergences caused by his powers.

He will not be killed. Only neutralized. We will be in contact again when the time is right."

So... Sad that they seem to be winning. But I don't think there's anything we could have done differently.


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