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Melonie
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 		Red Queen, you've got me figured out all wrong. EVERYTHING I said here was genuine and sincere. I'm not playing anyone, and I never was. Those emails truly did scare me, and I wanted help in finding out who was sending them.

I talked to my mom about the emails yesterday and she told me that Jerry told somebody at church that the only reason why he continued coming to church is because I was there. He likes me, he doesn't know how to talk to me, so he resorted to sending weird emails. The problem is solved now. It's that simple.

You can falsely accuse me of "playing" everyone all you want, but it's far from the truth. I don't see any benefit from that in the first place...

Thank you for taking up for me Esteed. Smile

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 		;-)
Edit - since Melonie responded -

thanks Wink No need to get defensive - I'm not being antagonistic whatsoever. Simply pointing to something that doesn't jive right - and the reason it doesn't is that the connection between you and the church guy - or guys, and the emailer and THESE PEOPLE is inconsistent.


What I mean is, you have just solved the problem *you* had real time - some Jerry guy from church you know OF, who only went there because of you, got your email off the paper....and within 2 weeks for no apparent reason sends you a strange email. You're curious. Let's be conservative - curious already....but you mentioned the people where you worked. You also brought him up, so something ELSE going on real time had to have struck you as stalkerish to begin with, else it wouldn't have occurred to you it was stalkerish getting an email with a poem in it - it would've struck you as spam and you'd have disregarded it.

Something you didn't reveal to anybody so far for whatever reason, legit or not doesn't matter, made you think stalkerish, church guy, and email. Had you also added early on, since you're concerned enough to post it here, that you kinda had a feeling about the church guy, he's been creepy for awhile, he followed you, calls and hangs up, then it's likely everyone would've at least suggested HE is potentially stalking you - but that doesn't have any bearing on the email...because it's not connected TO him right off the bat - so what about the email made you think church guy - as opposed to the more reasonable spam or some anonymous net surfer?

The other part is that once the people here began to email that address, someone - presumably the one who sent you the first one - began to respond with more baiting clues. Had this person, when accused of messing with you been stalking YOU, then all these replies would have been to that aim..it's just some guy with too much time on his hands, writing strange stuff with you in mind....and he's being opportunistic since others are suddenly sending him emails...but in real life, had he the legitimate motive of pursuing you anonymously/stalking, the second someone other than you emailed him he'd have been defensive about it. Instead, he immediately lets on he's playing a game. Ultimately, tho, he or whoever it resolved to reveals that yes, it's a game, and either play or not....and then goes on to provide a religious themed ARG.

MY problem with this is simply bridging that gap. If this is all about some guy at your church you hardly know 2 weeks who snagged you email and he sent you poetic cryptic stuff, how was it he morphed from THAT into having an ARG game ready for people he didn't KNOW would've emailed him for any reason - he's anonymous for a reason. If it's about you, there just wouldn't BE any raven brotherhood arg - he'd be focused on who the hell these people are who got his email, and why are they asking him a buncha weird question.

For you to have never heard of an ARG, have no concept what it is, to end up on an ARG forum wondering if the cryptic email suggests you have a stalker, and then lo an behold, it's the guy at church you hardly know 2 weeks who snagged you email, on top of just happening to have a brotherhood raven arg and clues ready to go to people emailing him, one of which cryptically reveals his name in first letters, and then goes on to admit that yep, he's playing, it's a game, it is an ARG period, this wasn't about you, it's about the "word" - is BS. No way in hell that happened coincidentally.

So my question is simply how are you actually connected to church guy you've known OF 2 weeks and how would church guy have a clue in hell you'd end up on an ARG forum out of his cryptic email getting other people you don't know to email him so he can launch his game, when his agenda was stalking YOU, or at least getting your attention.

When called on this one, he conveniently decided you were a tool to spread the word - to the ARGERS this was a GAME. Otherwise when ARGers emailed him in real life, he'd have tripped out. It did NOT occur to him out of the clear blue to conjure up an opportunistic ARG game and manage to get lucky that you had an online friend familiar with ARGS.

IF, however, you ARE familiar with ARGs and offline have made that known in the same circle as him, and offline he thought it was cool and researched it, got intrigued by that and considered it might be a neat way to meet you, get to know you, then OKAY - that is reasonable - only according to you, he's a hole in the wall....he's just at your church because of you WHY?

Stalker isn't his agenda because he had an ARG ready to fire off as if he already anticipated emails from people other than you.

Either church guy's agenda was always ARG or always YOU. But it's not both because the overlooked element is how he'd even make the ARG connection HERE if his agenda is stalking you - which is personal and not a game, cryptic emails served a whole other purpose. If his agenda was ARG and he used you, then how did he get HERE via you? How was it he could be so sure that via one cryptic email to someone he knew OF 2 weeks would launch his ARG?

That HIS ARG was religious is also not a coincidence.

I promise I'm not being antagonistic, I'm fully aware of your statements this isn't the case - and okay....the missing pieces above may well have perfectly reasonable gap fillers - but they weren't made available in the last 8 pages, which is the reason my flags went off. NOT to get on your case - it's not personal, nor am I "accusing" you or attacking or anything else - just dissecting the story as it was laid out and because of the above error of omission, it didn't gel. It's curiosity motivated, not bitchy motivated.

Point being: could you maybe get a hold of Jerry there and ask him what's the story with the Brotherhood and Raven - or whoever the other stuff resolved to that JERRY kicked off - and is he done now that he tossed off a few clues, revealed his identity (do PMs do that?), confessed it was an ARG, explained the Raven legend and then that's it? That's all there was to it?

It just doesn't reconcile with the info posted....


Sorry if I got ya worked up. Wasn't the agenda. Dissecting it for the missing info is the agenda....that's what I was after.


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I can appreciate that, however, I do have some background in behavior reading. Granted, I have no background in ARGs, and character profiling. I do, nonetheless, have 20 years of education and background in human behavior....and all of us - in reality, not ARGland -are wired with specific behavior that is quite predictable and threat relevant. This is common knowledge and yes, you can easily predict what someone will do in any given situation with even a basic knowledge of threat behavior.

I wasn't reading all of this particular thread initially from a "real people" perspective, given the nature of the forum. I just clicked and started reading the interactions and it was interesting. I assumed initially, given the subject matter, and because ARG is not familiar to me the way it is for you guys, that when people were debating over Melonie's motives, this *was* the story....and everybody "knew" Melonie was part of it and were playing along.

Where it shifted was Melonie's insistance no, this was really real, she has no clue what ARG is, it's no game, etc. so since she said so, I said okay, she's actually a real person who got the email and it is as she claimed it. No sweat. I was following along until page 5 totally accepting the story for what it was, legit, etc. No big deal - it's an interesting thread....

Until the *reality* of the people blasted thru whether it was ARG or not. By that, I mean you guys split into two factions - one group of ARGers focusing on the emails and decrypting them, and the other group trying to determine once and for all whether Melonie was launching a game and if so, this aint the spot, etc. Since I'm not familiar with the "puppetmaster rules" I couldn't determine whether it's considered gameplay for a pm to insist they're not or if pm's as a rule never reveal it or what. Melonie, however, posted a time or two that she was legit - this was all as she presented it to be - so for awhile I accepted that as "reality" in ARGland.


When the ARG group zeroed in on the clues, the other group was basically revealing their draining interest and assuming, as most reasonable people would, the same thing that made my red flag go off - if you *really* are worried, you don't need to be HERE, you need to call the cops, delete the email, block, etc.

Human nature, in real life, had this been real, would've been easily predicted: Melonie would've recognized the same thing - she's telling the wrong people - if these guys were *really* stalkers and she was *really* in danger, then what would her ARG friends do about it? What could you do but post sympathy and "be careful" - and Melonie would've predictably recognized yall couldn't do anything.

Threatened people in real life behave in highly predictable ways - we're packaged with a built in threat behavior in 3 flavors: fight, flight, immobilize. Not a creature alive will escape this wiring. And our threat behavior selected will reflect precisely the focus of the threat. Meaning if she was really concerned about stalkers via email, she would've handled it FIRST offline, asking people she knew, letting them read the email and getting the same advice there - delete it, block it, if they keep on, figure out who they are, call the cops, etc. ALL of her actions and behavior to deflect an offline threat would have taken place in the offline setting. The email was virtual, but she clearly stressed she was concerned about someone offline. Had she wondered if the email was a puzzle or something, she'd still FIRST go to people offline.

There's no avenue for her to have ended up here *NATURALLY*

Instead, based on her words and posts, she never did those things, she focused it online and in the realm of *gaming* which in my business is Focus....it's reflective of her perception and awareness. That she sought out people online isn't the snag....it's that it appears, based on her story, that's ALL she sought out - and only tells online people she was worried. If she was worried, it would've predictably been that she told her online friends TOO, ALSO, and AFTER she told people in reality.

Otherwise, she really *wasnt* that threatened. Curious maybe, but not threatened or worried enough to deal with it offline. She specifically acknowledged that she was referred her by a net (gaming) friend, and that she was worried it's a stalker, and the online (gaming) friend referred her here, so she hands over the email content for you and you all went to town and lo and behold, it's an ARG.

If ARGs were that easily launched, there'd be a wider audience/market for it. Most everyone I have ever encountered FIRST learned about an ARG ONLINE....it's rare that ARG gamers would bait locals they hardly know either way enough to determine whether they'd be lured into an ARG....because too many people outside this niche have no clue what an ARG is, so cryptic emails aren't going to motivate them to think/perceive in terms of possible game. At most, they'd assume it's spam and delete it. Offline launchers have to have some mechanism to lure people into it but their obstacle is people aren't familiar enough to catch on.


The rest of the focus was revealed in her comments about church, and the ARG just happens to have a strong religious theme/storyline. That's not a coincidene, nor is it from E&J - consider them PMs. Melonie insisted she's unfamiliar to this and didn't know E&J well - she'd known OF them 2 weeks. Yet E&J, PMs have created their religious themed ARG - and they intended it to be aimed at the church people. So why aren't those other people here? How come they never found their way to ARG central? Because in real life, being clueless ARG even IS, the people that would've gotten the cryptic emails 9 times out of 10 would've shrugged and deleted it, and E&J would be unable to continue. Further, if they're new, they haven't been around Melonie close enough to gauge whether she'd pursue it or delete it.

If these guys were ARGers at all they wouldn't be THAT loose about the launch, leaving the entire launch up to who, of the people they hardly knew anyway, would be inclined to reply or delete.

Then the ARGers zeroed in it was a game, others shrugged and called her out for being involved and that's when I stopped looking at it as a character and as a real person in a real situation....and when the fire got turned up on Melonie coinsided with the part E&J were exposed and then it suddenly shifts from controlled cryptic email poetry to a confession, exasperated in nature that okay, look, yeah it's a game, either play or not, and they excused Melonie as a "tool" to spread the word - that was in game related tho......that "word" was spread HERE. Next thing that happens is Melonie suddenly turns into an ARG pro with a last name search and discovers somehow or another that an online search resolves to the E&J at church - after the ARGers came back with the E&J name in the clues, followed immediately by coincidentally Melonie happening to refer to the same two guys she wondered were stalkers.

That's insanely convoluted and not a natural response. Too many *focus* conincidences and soon as the pm began to lose control, in attempt to recover, they come up with the religious themed Raven tale to "explain" it. Soon as Melonie "solves" it on her own, after coming here and handing over the clues that got yall rolling, she exempted herself and gave cokes, wrapping it up.

Problem: there's a literary rule of plot scripting: never introduce anything into a story line without at some point explaining what it's for. If E&J were real and used her as a way to get the word out, their sole agenda wasn't church people, YALL were their targets....and if she served her purpose, there'd be the rest of the game - nothing was resolved. Soon as Melonie "solved it" tho, she requested yall not email the culprits or let on they've been exposed. NOW she wants to play back.

That, in itself, isn't suspect. What was suspect was that it occured to her to begin with. If one of you suggested it, and she followed up, that would've been natural protocol under the circumstances - but Melonie maintained the role of "bewildered victim" from the beginning on the surface, letting yall take the clues and jump in, while she spent her time deflecting imposter pm accusations. Why didn't Melonie partake in decryption? Why didn't she play from the beginning? If she was here at all, once having been enlightened to ARG and saw yall tear into a puzzle, why didn't she partake? She hung back and let yall do it - handle her potential problem. Not something a threatened person would do....for an offline deal.

One who begins inactive doesn't shift for no reason midstream into active. There's always a catalyst...and she shifted about the same time yall rooted out E&J and out of that got the confession and back story. If E&J actually used Melonie as the tool, then they wouldn't have planted clues revealing who they were for her to coincidently trip over - who they were wouldn't be relevant to their game theme....and she would essentially be *irrelevant* to *their* agenda to get their game here. Meaning the game would not have suddenly ceased at all just because she figured out who was behind it = cause it wouldn't matter, it's irrelevant to the plot of Noah's ark and the raven and the brotherhood. They're supposed to be mysterious cult figures....they're NOT gonna leave clues for you via Melonie that easily root out a name of a guy at her church UNLESS it was relevant to HER and not yall, at which point we're back where we started - she wouldn't have ended up HERE.

She 'solved' it, game over? No resolution to the "game" these E&J had kicked off? That's not a coincidence....that's the punchline.

Sorry for the long stuff, but it's facinating to me....I know I just jumped in and started dissecting stuff and none of yall know who I am either - but this one was intriguing. I love the concept and learned alot so far on here - but in this case, for this "trail" - I wasn't looking at it thru an ARGers eyes but a behaviorist's eyes and given specifically what has been posted, my suspicions were that Melonie's story didn't jive had it been really real. It wasn't a shot at her one way or the other - it was the stalker??? behavior would not have been naturally what it was, had it been a legitimate reality based concern, and then the coincidences in focus between the emailer and Melonie led me to think maybe this was a quick one to try it out...hence why there's no more game. The game was to see if yall figured out the sender. A case of one coming up with a short and mini trail of clues for a short n sweet goal, yall did it, game over, she solved it, caught them, here's a coke - basically telling yall to disengage.

IF ya read all this, appreciate that.

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 		I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I agree human nature is predictable to some degree, just not to the extent that you do. I, myself, am not saying this is real or not. To me, the evidence points to it being most likely a bad prank or Emery and Jerry doing a very crappy job of launching for and designing clues for whatever ARG they were starting.

I've been in situations where I felt threatened physically by virtual communication before. To a point where the person in question, who I thought I had never met before, described to me exactly what I was wearing at the time. I was naturally a bit freaked, but I tend to stick to the same types of clothes, so there was a chance that this could just be a friend taking a lucky guess. I was, at the time, around 14 or 15. I could've told my parents, but at that point they were already looking for an excuse to keep me off the internet, and that would've been it. Did I feel threatened? Yes, and no amount of education will convince me I didn't. Did I say anything to anyone? No, I attempted to solve the problem on my own.

Turns out, it was a friend I'd talked to earlier in the day. He'd planned this prank with a couple other friends of mine. In hindsight, I laughed my ass off at myself, but at the time I seriously thought I was in danger. Yet I only spoke to my online friends about it because I needed an outlet, although I will admit, I was well aware of the fact that they couldn't do anything to help me beyond advice.

I tell this story because I don't think for one second you can say definitively what behavior people will exhibit. You can say it with a reasonable amount of certainty, but emotions are subjective, and when they have such a direct influence on behavior, I don't think predictions can be stated as fact.
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 		;-)
Actually I can say it definitively because, again, it's my field for 20 years. I'm 42 btw. Emotions are indeed subjective, but they do not create behavior - they are behaviors in themselves. And like with programmed dictates, so we are programmed with the same emotional constructs. How the behavior is carried out is likewise predictable. Emotions don't cause behavior, behavior does not influence emotion - they are sibling types of behaviors motivated from a built in set of instructions in a very cut and dry measure of expression. The paradigm interprets information, processes it via various mechanisms in the psyche and the end result of that processing is behavior: be it word, deed, feeling, thought - and all of those things will evenly reflect the dictate itself.

Please don't confuse *action* with behavior. It's not used in the same context as "your behavior yesterday was upsetting" but in the context that humans share commonly wired instructions that are expressed behaviorally...how they are implemented is unique. That they WILL BE implemented is concise to the letter and predictable.

We humans are not nearly as complex and the cultural nonsense has assured us we are - a little time paying attention to humans behaving is most eye opening indeed. Basically, our wired behaviors come in only three flavors in any and all situations, as do threat behaviors. Out of those three, what they were already doing is how you predict what they'll keep doing, and they'll keep doing it until they're threatened - at which point their threat behavior reflects the natural flow already on the table....confronting it, avoiding it, staying put.

You are free to disagree - that's up to you, but on the specific topic of behavior, you would be in error - behavior is highly predictable, once you know what you're looking at and why behavior is motivated. Quite simple really....and really fascinating. Smile

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 		/me blows the whistle, crosses her arms over her head, and calls "Game Over"

Seriously. Keep discussing who's the most correct about behavior. Because wow.

Just take it to a Private Message.
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 		Re: ;-)
Red Queen wrote:
...well over 3000 words...

IF ya read all this, appreciate that.

Shocked

Sorry, I didn't...(read all of it, that is). But I guess something must really have bothered you about this thing...
If there was a category for "Most Wordy Post" in the ARG People's Choice Awards, I guess you could already start writing your winning speech...

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 		Wow...
I apologize - I just presumed, given the nature of ARGs that yall's attention spans might be more developed...and at least you could appreciate a little lesson in behavior, considering you're engaging in a subject designed to take advantage of it. It'd come in handy when ya wonder why your game failed to launch or people lost interest, or why your characters won't behave realistically. People tend to pick it up.

Amusingly, the ones that lost interest in the raven, picked it up and bailed....the rat is there....all I did was dissect it.

Outside of that, this wasn't a debate - are you guys always so cliquish? I didn't realize this was a private club - considering random registration let me right in without having to pass a "only if we think she's like us" exam.

Thanks for the nice welcome.

All I wanted to know was how church guys had a ready made arg waiting for YOU ALL if his agenda was stalking a chick he's only been aware of 2 weeks, and who was completely unfamiliar with ARGs. Melonie failed to connect that dot....which was why it was suspect. It doesn't add up, whether the raven game is over or not.

Unless the mods wish to delete my account, should I post again, I'll try not to express my thoughts or engage dialogue. I'll just grunt off a word or three so as not to inconvenience the insiders.

Now I see why it's only the same people.........the others were right. You guys are rude and unsociable....and cliquish.

Just not real plugged in....

Ciao..............done.

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 		Thanks for the underappreciated "little lesson". Now, back to gaming. And having fun. And painting entire communities with the same broad brush.

Sorry, it was feeding time, and I've had a rough day.
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 		@ red queen

You could have writin up a simple point in less than 3k words, I got the jist that you felt everyone took this case a lil too seriously. But when you go into the thousands of words of detail trying to explain this you began to take the issue too seriously. Not trying to put you down or anything but why write something in 3k words when you can easily sum it up in less than 200?

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oxdeltaxo wrote:
@ red queen

You could have writin up a simple point in less than 3k words, I got the jist that you felt everyone took this case a lil too seriously. But when you go into the thousands of words of detail trying to explain this you began to take the issue too seriously. Not trying to put you down or anything but why write something in 3k words when you can easily sum it up in less than 200?


Sometimes nuance matters.

ETA: That's in response to the long post. Not the most recent one where she's like "Boy are you all dumb & nasty!" Rolling Eyes

The problem is clearly that she lacks a sufficient number of Harvard dergrees to fit in here. Jetpack
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I apologize - I just presumed, given the nature of ARGs that yall's attention spans might be more developed...and at least you could appreciate a little lesson in behavior


One of the main reasons I come around here is to learn. I also like to educate, whenever possible (Not an easy task with this group, sometimes).

I would have treated what you took so long to try and say as a learning experience if it weren't for the Dionne Warwick you pulled with the above comment.

Is it even remotely possible neither of these kids ever even heard of an ARG till the emails started coming in and thought, It's the internet. What could happen? Let's have some fun.
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 		The only ARG's I had ever heard of before coming here were majestic and some Davinci code time waster.

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 		Dear Deborah Skinner,

in my previous post I pointed out that your post was the lengthiest I have ever encountered on this forum. I also pointed out that I chose not to read it - given the lackluster and erratic nature of the subject of this thread and said lengthiness. I even apologized for being so bold as to comment on it anyway.

In your vast scientific experience, you saw it fit to infer about the attentional span of every user on this forum, as well as their rudeness and unsociability.
Now, I could write a long-winded post about all the unscientific falsities I find not only in this, but also in your previous predications. But my mere universitarial education still taught me that I might be misinterpreting you and that I might not have enough information to pass final judgement on this. Maybe you didn't mean to be lecturing or...say, rude or unsociable. Who knows, it may only have been your paradigms...

So instead - with the little authority that is mine - I'm gonna say this: In all honesty, I welcome you to unfiction! Come and join the fun!
What I don't welcome is being attacked, so don't count on me to ask for your help if social skills or unpretentiousness are called for...

Now I promise that's all I'm gonna add to this "dialogue" outside of a PM.

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 		Red Queen, I'm sorry I didn't read yoru entire post, it's just super long lol. I did read a lot of it though.

Basically, I have nothing to prove, I think most people here understand that my intentions were genuine. The reason why I didnt blow this off as spam was because I searched the email on myspace, and this person's location just so happened to be where I live, so that's an awful lot of evidence to just blow off like that.

I'll leave it at that, I don't feel like I have to prove anything. If you believe me then you believe me, if you don't, then you don't. I think you have your mind made up anyway. There really would be no benefit for me to waste my time making something like this up, and at the same time, I don't see how I'd benefit any by spending so much time tryign to convince you that I'm telling the truth.

I know I'm telling the truth, and my friends know that, that's all that matters.

I'd like to thank everyone for their help, I really appreciate it. Smile

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(This was my attempt at winning the award for the shortest post while at the same time summing up my reaction to this entire thread. So you can see it has a dual purpose. Although now that I've had to explain the meaning of this post, it ceases to be a short post and probably will not be in the running for the aforementioned award. I considered double-posting to explain the "shortest post", but I refrained due to the fact that double-posting is frowned upon by the cliques present in this forum.)

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