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[PUZZLE] Setting too good an example...
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Shad0
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aliendial wrote:
broken link, shad0?

Hmmph. Apparently it was a temporary file, and has since been deleted. It was the snippet of sheet music from this page: http://www.musipedia.org/edit.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_detedit_pi1[tid]=f1507aba9fc82ffa7cc7373c58f8a613.

(Sorry for the huge link, but the brackets in the middle prevented it from working in [tag=URL]this[/tag] format.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:33 am
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UltimateIceman
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 		I may be onto something, guys. I decided to go against my own suggestion of ignoring the colors and noticed that they increase in letters from red 3 to lavender 8. There is a gap between coral and magenta for a color with six letters. This may be evidence of another phrase like the money talks puzzle with the pause in the middle.

This is likely the reason why lavender (style 3) was swapped, to throw us off.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:28 pm
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IA20
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 		For anyone who hasn't seen it, Lyn posted a hint.

Quote:
Time for a hint, I guess?

I'm feeling generous, so I'll give you several:

1. Pay attention to names. Names of colors, names of rhythmic figures...
2. The piece I used isn't important. I just dug through a pile of old sheet music until I found something that suited my needs.
3. Everything you need is already there. Except the connections.


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UltimateIceman
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 		After reading Lyn's hints, I decided to learn a little more about music. What I found was that choral (coral) or choir is a form of vocal music.

Another interesting note that likely has no relation to this puzzle: I searched the internet for "Lavender" and came across and author Cheryl Lavender who writes books that involve sheet music and rhythm, such as Sheet Music Bingo.

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Shad0
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 		Re: hints
Lyn wrote:
1. Pay attention to names. Names of colors, names of rhythmic figures...

Names of rhythmic figures. Bang Head All right. The rhythms are significant. Can we therefore conclude that, once again, the specific notes themselves (B, F#, etc.) probably aren't?

We know that the first four notes in the first full measure were originally three -- an eighth note followed by two sixteenth notes -- and we know that the next four were originally four eighth notes. Now both groupings have become four sixteenth notes. Obviously there must be a reason Lyn made those changes.

(What the heck do you call four sixteenth notes? Dammit, I probably ought to know this.)

Okay. I see the following rhythmic groupings on the page:

  • One quarter note
  • One eighth note
  • One sixteenth note
  • Two sixteenth notes
  • Three sixteenth notes
  • Four sixteenth notes
  • Seven sixteenth notes
  • Six sixteenth notes
  • Five sixteenth notes
  • One eighth note, two sixteenth notes
  • Two sixteenth notes, one eighth note
  • Two thirty-second notes, three sixteenth notes
  • Four thirty-second notes

Since we've got only six colors, it's a safe bet there isn't a one-to-one correspondence there...

Notes have been "beamed" together in odd ways -- for example, groups of three and four notes beamed together to make a group of seven; three groups of four sixteenth notes rebeamed into groups of five, two, and five; a group of four sixteenth notes turned into four thirty-second notes -- so I think the beams are likely be significant, too. What happens if we count the beams in each grouping?

Code:
2 | 6 6 | 4 3 4 | 4 6 6 |
7 6 6 | 4 3 6 | 3 6 6 4 6 6 |
7 6 6 | 3 4 3 | 3 3 6 | 6 6 6 |
7 6 2 1 | 6 6 | 4 6 3 | 6 6 6 |
7 6 3 | 6 6 6 | 6 3 4 | 6 6 6 |
9 9 9 | 9 6 6 | 6 6 6 | 4 6 6 |
6 0 0 | 0 4 6 | 4 6 4 | 6 6 6 |
0 12 | 12 6 | 8 2 8 | 2 8 6 |
0 12 2 | 6 6 6 | 8 2 6 | 6 6 6 |
6 0 12 | 0 10 6 | 8 2 8 | 6 8 2 |
6 6 6 | 6 12 | 8 2 6 | 6 6 6 |
6 6 6 | 6 12 | 8 2 8 | 6 8 2 |
12 2 | 12 | 6 6 6 | 6 6 6 |

Means nothing to me. And, of course, this doesn't take into account "names of rhythmic figures" in any way. Disregarding clues is rarely a wise move. Did I already mention Bang Head ?

I'm just talking to myself here. Don't mind me.

That sadistic b-- I mean, Lyn wrote:
2. The piece I used isn't important. I just dug through a pile of old sheet music until I found something that suited my needs.

Now she tells me. Razz

Lyn wrote:
3. Everything you need is already there. Except the connections.

Which means, I'm guessing, that "orange" isn't part of the answer either. Good thought, though.
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 		So I might have cheapened myself a little by doing this, but I tried working the birthday angle with Lyn, and Lo! She bit.

So we have another little tidbit of hint Razz

Quote:
In honor of your birthday, then, a little gift:

The rhythm itself doesn't matter. Just the names of the rhythmic figures. And one of them is only filler. Wink


And.... yeah. Names. Of Figures.

/me stares blankly and passes this back off onto Shad0
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ScarpeGrosse wrote:
* ScarpeGrosse stares blankly and passes this back off onto Shad0

But... but I don't know the names of any rhythmic figures! Except for ostinato, which doesn't count because I found it only after much Googling this morning. Bang Head Bang Head Bang Head

(Every piano teacher I ever had is spinning in his or her grave.)
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 		Due to my ignorance of written music, I'm of no use when it comes to investigating the rhythmic aspect of this puzzle. Even after perusing a music terminology site, I came up with nothing. Maybe this site will help those with musical backgrounds:

http://www.classic99.com/terms1.htm[/url]

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 		perhaps these?
http://www.classicsforkids.com/teachers/training/rchart.asp

and at the bottom of this page?
http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory20.htm

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 		I think by "Rhythm", Lyn's referring to the notes/rests themselves, i.e. whole, half, quarter, eighth, sixteenth...

But i could be wrong Razz
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 		Seeing as we're not getting much out of this of yet, I'm going to take this in to my band director in the morning. He's got a doctorate, so maybe some of this will make sense to him.

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 		Re: hints
ScarpeGrosse wrote:
I think by "Rhythm", Lyn's referring to the notes/rests themselves, i.e. whole, half, quarter, eighth, sixteenth...

Could be... There are about a billion sixteenth notes, and only a few eighth notes, quarter notes, and thirty-second notes. That's a pretty limited vocabulary.

Quarter note... "Lime" has four letters.
Eighth note... "Lavender" has eight letters.
Thirty-second note... "Light golden yellow with a hint of peach" has 33 letters. (Almost!)
Nothing with sixteen letters... but Lyn did say, "one of them is only filler."

Maybe the type of note, coupled with where it falls in the measure? That might explain the place where Lyn turned two measures into one...

Edit: Oh. Wait. You're talking about "rhythm" as in when Lyn said, "The rhythm itself doesn't matter." So you think the type of note might have no significance at all.

...But then why would Lyn change, for example, the first two notes in the first measure in the third line from sixteenth notes to thirty-second notes?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Bang Head
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 		Re: hints
Shad0 wrote:

Could be... There are about a billion sixteenth notes, and only a few eighth notes, quarter notes, and thirty-second notes. That's a pretty limited vocabulary.

Quarter note... "Lime" has four letters.
Eighth note... "Lavender" has eight letters.
Thirty-second note... "Light golden yellow with a hint of peach" has 33 letters. (Almost!)
Nothing with sixteen letters... but Lyn did say, "one of them is only filler."



And just when you think it's right, the text changes Razz

The "A" in the light golden yellow has now disappeared.

/me shoves her tinfoil hat on Foily!
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Quote:
Thirty-second note... "Light golden yellow with a hint of peach" has 33 letters. (Almost!)


It now has 32 or "thirty-second" letters in it. This one is very flexible because of the multiples involved.

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 		Re: hints
Shad0 wrote:
Quarter note... "Lime" has four letters.
Eighth note... "Lavender" has eight letters.
Thirty-second note... "Light golden yellow with a hint of peach" has 33 letters. (Almost!)
Nothing with sixteen letters... but Lyn did say, "one of them is only filler."


Now that the 32 is fixed...use Excel or something like it to transcribe the notes into colors (each line of music = row in excel?) and maybe it'll make a picture? And I'm not volunteering because of a) work and b) the real reason - my feeble grasp of music. Um, yeah. Can't really tell 'em apart. Embarassed

edit: OK, I can tell that won't work at its simplest because there aren't the same number of notes in each line...what if the space allocated to each color matched the length of the notes as well? Not sure if the edited measures mess that up, but in theory adding timing should give you lines of equal length, right?
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