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[NEW|SPEC] Steorn.net claims Infinite Energy, ARG? Hoax?
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Henchman
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Hello all, I had never heard of ARG's before this, but I have been reading up since and its all very fascinating. I have two comments/ideas about what has been discussed so far in this thread:

A) I first heard about Steorn via Fark.com right after the Steorn site went public. I was fortunate enough to get on the Steorn forums before they blew up and got all cluttered. There were only a couple posts up but one of the first I saw was about the Halo 3 connection. The author cited similarities between some Halo concept sketches and in the steorn video. It was all very specific, talking about line weights and sketching styles. It seemed like a pretty good indication that something was going on. I was wondering if anyone has these images that they could link? I went back digging through Steorn today (ive been out of touch for a while) and I couldnt find the original thread that I saw before. It could be somewhere in the 43 pages, I didnt look at them all.

B) The Fox news thing is a pretty strong discouragment of this being an ARG isn't it? Yes its fox news but still. This is national tv media attention. Energy and Automotive corporations will certainly sit up and take notice after this, if they had not already. Steorn's technology represents a huge threat to their buisness models. World governments will also be taking serious notice as well. The online community has certainly been probing this alot, calling the phone numbers, emailing, and investigating and such, but I gaurantee that our investigations are not nearly as detailed or urgent as the investigations that Steorn is, or will soon be, getting from govermental and corporate investigators. Steorn is going to be put under the largest of microscopes, if they are not already.

My two cents: if it is an ARG (hope, hope, hope!) then they might have bitten off way more than they can handle.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:19 am
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kfresh97
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Just a little bit of extra info on the Steorn - Nestor anagram that someone mentioned a few pages back...

Nestor, according to Greek mythology, was an Argonaut who eventually became the King of Pylos (after Hercules murdered his father and brothers). Pylos, during these times, was a neighbouring territory of Sparta, who's military force was the Spartans. And we all know who else is a Spartan Wink

I too am very much hoping this is an ARG, so you know, all thoughts are somewhat biased Razz

EDIT: Also, I believe this is the page that an above poster mentioned. http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=191&page=1

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You can find the Halo 3 storyboard image at http://rampancy.net/rampancy_files/images/h3_e32006_storyboard03_chiefclose.preview.jpg
Notable and identifiable characteristics of this art are the use of swirl loops (most notably in the lightly drawn background), the direction and use of shading, and the extent and frequncy of lines extending beyond the borders of the objects.

Now, compare the art in that official Bungie (makers of Halo) artwork to these screenshots from the Steorn promotional video.

1) First look at this image of the oil pipeline with the camels in the background.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?d136432413.png

Notice how the lightly sketched camels bear similar weight (thickness) and stroke similarity to the background noise. Further, the sun and pipeline use the same direction and intensity of shading with the sun shading being similar to that of the body shading in the Halo 3 sketch. And finally the extending sketch like lines are similar in weight and overhang to those in the Halo 3 drawings.

2) The image of the oil tanker, clouds, and water.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7a9e60e3ac.png

Look at the similarity between the loops used in drawing the clouds and the loop on the far left background of the Halo 3 storyboard. Both loops have a cusp that would be a remarkable coincidence if they had been drawn by different artists.
I have provided one last link with the looks and cusps highlighted.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?73c229c98c.png

The cusps indicate that the artist lifted his pen after the swirl and then continued sketching. Now, the probability that both artists would uses swirls is not too unbelievable, but the fact that they both use swirls and lift their pen after completing a swirl and then place their pen in the same place to continue drawing is highly suspect.
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(I would also note that nowhere in the video is their any notice of copyright or ownerships which seems very odd for something supposedly so product driven.)


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Nola wrote:
Sean McCarthy was interviewed on Fox News... I think the whole ARG angle can now be safely disqualified, don't you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV4Ja5Cjtvc


Doesn't Microsoft have a partnership with Fox News?

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And clearly, FOX isn't going to do any damage to their reputation by reporting on a fictitious company.

That they didn't mention their patents in the video is interesting.

Not to be a devil's advocate (but why not, it's such fun!), I wouldn't rely on the "companies will be ruined" angle. Those who manufacture batteries will still manufacture batteries. Those who make products that use energy will still make products that use energy.

There's onlyone set of companies that would find a massive downturn in profit. Big Oil (and Big Gas, if you will).

Yes, that's big, yes, that's scary, but it's not the same as having all the companies that use energy in the world on your back.
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Ehsan
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atdt1991 wrote:
FOX (...) reputation

Oxymoron Smile

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brandon
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Has anyone actually seen the Economist ad?

Just wondering -- it's referenced in the boards, but I haven't seen the paper. And the .pdf I saw wasn't an Economist page scan, but just the ad. Nothing that would infringe on the Economist's IP . . . unless falsely claiming to have taken out an ad would have somehow broken the law. But suppose this really is a piece of commercial ARG -- why would Microsoft start messing with the Economist? That sounds like something Bill Gates would throw people off the minarets for.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:58 am
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Nola
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Copy of The Economist add from page 5.

Nola wrote:
FWIW, here's a pic of The Economist add

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/6595/steornadrb4.jpg


edit: Huge pictures make the screen scroll - Rowan


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creatureattack
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suspicious chart/graphic

on the steorn.net site, they link to a PDF of possible uses of this technology:

http://www.steorn.net/media/downloads/steorn_potential_uses.pdf


My thought is; isn't this a weird chart?:

Does anyone really need a chart with little icons of what one could do with unlimited free energy? This is hardly a complete list of uses, and several of these are just plain weird: Pleasure Craft? Water Purification? Those are the most exciting things we are going to do with our free energy?

On a side note, the graphics are rather childish, yet display a pretty sophisticated sense of design and unity. This is clearly not the work of some scientist using PowerPoint. Did the designer of this chart embed any clues or hints within?

I can't say that I have found anything at all, but the whole thing stikes me as a little suspect. For example, look in the Public Transport section section. Why two trains? Yes, the one on the right has it's lights on, but you certainly could have conveyed the idea of "subway" with one single train. Instead, the designer has crammed two nearly identical icons side by side, for essentially no additional communication. If they wanted to fill up the space, couldn't they have thought of a second icon to communicate a second kind of "public transport", like a bus maybe?

Certainly, this could be nothing, but it seems to add weight to the theory that these people are putting clues somewhere in front of us, or at least getting ready to.

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Rolerbe
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Re: suspicious chart/graphic

creatureattack wrote:
My thought is; isn't this a weird chart?:

Does anyone really need a chart with little icons of what one could do with unlimited free energy?

On a side note, the graphics are rather childish, yet display a pretty sophisticated sense of design and unity.


I'm going to disagree. Our mantra for building presentations for top level executives is the higher you go, the more you aim for "big fuzzy animal pictures" (BFAP). Yes, I know that's a sad statement. But it has proven true over and over Smile . This is exactly the kind of slide I would expect to see in an investor presentation. Perhaps not with the 'slickest' feel, but at the right BFAP level.
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Re: suspicious chart/graphic

Rolerbe wrote:
Our mantra for building presentations for top level executives is the higher you go, the more you aim for "big fuzzy animal pictures" (BFAP).


Got that right - we have something similar in our dept.:

BS baffles brains

So as long as it's neat and tidy and shiny it's good Smile

I do take the point about public transport because it isn't difficult to think up forms of transport but I get the impression that this was a bit of a rush job(see the houses roof sticking through the 'ray').

Personally I think this is either a big con as some on the Steorn forums have been saying or it's a psychological experiment a la eon8.

It's gotten too much media attention as a real discovery for it to turn out to be an ARG - it would make it just an RG surely if all the articles/interviews are part of the game. Highly unlikely but very cool if you could orchestrate it.

Alternatively it could be true(ROFLMAO) if it is then I will buy a hat and eat it.

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creatureattack
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point taken... but still...

you have good points about not not expecting too much hard info on this style of corporate chart. looking at it now, i may have been reading too much into it.

but... the whole flavor of the site is just soooooooo arg. i mean, if these people HAD actually discovered something that they thought was legit (and thus earth-shattering), wouldn't their whole approach be one of "take us seriously, scientists!"? this site does almost nothing to communicate legitimate scientific authority. and yes, i guess it is possible that they rushed out rather weird looking (or poorly built?) charts, but their magazine ad and website are clearly the work of trained graphic designers taking their time. their site doesn't include any other elements that look "rushed". couldn't they have payed for a chart (maybe a PDF, maybe not) that fit into the look and feel of their larger site? these people clearly expect many many people to be visiting their materials, and after paying for the magazine ad and the site, i find it strange that they would use an ill-matching and oddly built chart of this nature.

and, if this is a pure hoax (without a game element) wouldn't the site seek to distance itself from "slick" or "fluffy" elements in an effort to convey legitimacy? if your goal is just to hear about your joke on Fox News, than wouldn't you try and appear as "legit" and "sciency" as possible? this seems like a lot of time and money (the contemporary design of the ads, the look and feel of the site, the forum) to invest in an aspect of the hoax that isn't really necessary to the strength of the deception. would a pure hoax include a forum where people are actively trying to discredit your hoax? on that note, what kind of legitimate scientific technology company would include a forum of this nature? can you think of any other companies in this field/area that have ever run such a forum from their sites? the only situations where i have ever seen such forums are args and other promotional sites.

in a side note: is there any way to figure out roughly what a magazine ad like the one they had would cost to run? is there a chart out there somewhere of the cost of full page ads in that magazine? is anyone here in that industry that could venture a guess? mostly i am curious, but that information might prove valuable when evaluating if this is a hoax, a scam, a game, or an ad (or a world changing breakthrough i guess).

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I don't know the details of the ad, but according to their price schedule, it would seem to be at least $35,000 for the US Edition only, or at least $120,000 for all editions.

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creatureattack
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nice find. to me, that price is getting out of the range of something a prankster would be able to pay for/justify with the additional web hits such ads would bring, and into the range of something with big money backing.

this doesn't prove anything, but it seems to strengthen the argument that someone is expecting a big payoff (or more units of something sold) because of this "hoax".[/i]

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1r0niC
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ok sorry if this matter has already been discussed or posted but it is difficult for me to keep track of all the trails given about the Steorn subject.

i have done a search in the golden pages phonebook of ireland( it is where the phone number of registered companies are listed) and i have come up with a a number: (01)6641744

but when i was trying to verify my findings i have realised that a different phone nuber is registered in the white pages of ireland for the Steorn.
that is: (01)8069478

so a rather logical question came up to my mind. How it is possible for the same company to have different phone numbers registered as their main number??

one of them must be fake..... i assume it is the number listed in the white pages becauses in order for a company to get into the golden ones is much more difficult. although about the matter of the fake company registered instead of the real one when the first "collapsed": if the first Steorn Ltd really collapsed then why it is still registered in the official golden pages lists??? and if the second Steorn Ltd is really registered why it is not listed in the golden pages??? so i believe that the true Steorn Company still exists and really came up with a new invention. whether it works or not i cannot tell.

Now another matter comes up... why they so suddenly cleared all traces and changed a domain server (from steorn.com to stoern.net)???
when i say traces i mean clear logs from sites such as archives.com and other......

i really do not think it is an alternate reality game because someone must have already predicted the collapse of the steorn company(if it really happened) and had to start organising since 2000.

But something else surely hides among every known fact. all we have to do is to combine them together and maybe mix them with a little more new ones...

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Scientistics closed - no more scientists may apply!

Their site has changed, says over 3000 scientists have applied.
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