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[PUZZLE] Setting too good an example...
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vidstudent
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[PUZZLE] Setting too good an example...

Yes, it's high noon in the Central Time Zone - a new puzzle has arrived.

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Setting too good an example..., ...is a kind of slander seldom forgiven.

I enjoy music puzzles, and hiding from the law tends to limit your access to exotic puzzle-making materials, so how about another one?


Link is to http://www.hangseparately.com/lyn/sheetmusic2.html - and we have a humdinger. A list of colors, followed by a few more notes than last time.

Have at it!
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Source Code Hint:

<!--When you figure out what it is you're supposed to do, you may want to do it with a broad brush.-->
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DetroitLegend
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The name of the song, Allegro Molto Moderato , is done by Debussy/Mozart/Handel/Brahms

you can listen to it here http://finearts.uvic.ca/netjuke/tr-info.php?098f6bcd=1&id=97

Also, the broad brush definitely describes painting.... hmm...

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To me allegro molto moderato is the instruction on how to play that section of music (with very moderate speed), not the name of the song. And Debussy Mozart etc never co-wrote anything. (Also this is page three of the music, so not the title page)

I'm pretty sure the artists you found are a list of the various artists whose music appears on the listed album of piano and flute music performed by Pollet and Vogt. And the title suggests they chose a bunch of music with the same pace. Or that at least that one cut had this pace.

edits follow:

http://www.titanicrecords.com/Ti216.html
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001I7Y/ref=sr_11_1/002-4278496-7340857?ie=UTF8

I'm not near my piano, but methinks we need to play this piece to figure out if we know it.

So what instrument plays with just the upper clef? But can play two-note chords (as appears in the music)? A stringed instrument?
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Meanwhile, I did a check on our colors.

Which is *very hard to do* when the computer blocks View Source (I can't even get it to come up on right click ;_; ) - I had to open it in Microsoft Word, highlight it, click on Font and convert values manually...anyway....

All of our color values have only doubled hexadecimal digits. Red is FF0000, Lime is 00FF99, Coral is FF6633, Magenta is FF0066, Lavender is 9999FF, and "Light Golden Yellow with a Hint of Peach" is FFFFCC. (No love for vidstudent's shade of scarlet, though - bb0000. Razz )

Methinks hex values may be involved.

ETA: Also, hex values are multiples of three (C=12, F=15). Just in case it's relevant.
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vidstudent wrote:
ETA: Also, hex values are multiples of three (C=12, F=15). Just in case it's relevant.
That's called using a web-safe color palette. It goes back to the days of people running with only 256 colors on their monitor, and also helps when trying to match a .GIF to an HTML-generated color background. With a restricted palette, you don't see the seams.

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Wandering_Angela
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Ug. I've been looking at this one a lot today, but I'm still baffled. I even pulled out my flute to play it and see if it was anything recognizable (it's not flute music of course, due to the chords - I'm thinking violin, but that's just a guess).

While I didn't recognize the tune, trying to play the darned thing was very useful because I discovered that the sheet music has been tampered with. I hadn't noticed before, but many of the measures just don't add up. For example, the first full measure has 2 beats instead of 3. In the second measure, it looks like two 1/16th notes have been erased, leaving two sets of 3 instead of 4. The last measure on the second line looks like it's actually two measures combined into one, with a 1/16th note missing on top of that.

Weirdness.

I'm really not sure what to do with this - or how it relates to the colors. I thought it might have something to do with the number of notes in each measure, so I did a quick count which I'm attaching in case it gives someone else an idea. Surely Lyn wouldn't have gone to the trouble of carefully adding and removing notes unless it matters... but I can't see how just at the moment.
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Re: [PUZZLE] Setting too good an example...

I have a feeling that we may need to locate the actual piece of music to solve this one. The piece is in 3/4 time, and in either E minor or G major (I'd bet on the former). The only "Allegro molto moderato" movement in either of those keys with that time signature I have been able to locate is Schubert's String Quartet No. 15. And it ain't that.
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I was going over this puzzle one more time, and noticed something kind of odd. The source lists the colors as:

Red (style1)
Lime (style2)
Lavender (style3)
Coral (style4)
Magenta (style5)
Light golden yellow/peach (style6)

But Lyn lists lavender below magenta, putting them out of sequence in relation to the style sheet (becoming 1, 2, 4, 5, 3, 6). Anyway, I doubt it's unintentional considering the nature of the webpage, so maybe a clue? The colors might not be important in and of themselves, but the sequence they're in?

It's late, so I might have missed some other things.

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I tried to play some of the music too and, while my skillz are not strong enough to read timing well, I can say I have no idea what that tune might be. Rang no bells, and I doubt adding back in a few missing notes will help.
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Re: [PUZZLE] Setting too good an example...

Best guesses as to the missing notes for some of the first few measures:

Measure 2: F#, A, E (at what would be notes 4, 6, and 12)
Measure 3: C (4)
Measure 4: No missing notes, I think, but the first two 16th notes have become 32nd notes
Measure 5: B, C (4, 6)
Measure 6: G (2)
Measure 7: D (1); also missing the line demarcating measures 6 and 7
Measure 8: 32nd notes, like measure 4
Measure 9: B, C, B (2, 8, 10)
Measure 10: E, E (2, 6)

Also, in a piece in 3/4 time there are twelve 16th notes per measure. Twelve is twice six, and we've been given six colors. Anything there? Perhaps "broad brush" means two notes per color?

Speaking of the colors, some of them are a little irregular. Red's all right, but lime is usually #00FF00, not #00FF99 (which is medium spring green). Magenta is #FF00FF, not #FF0066. Coral is #FF7F50, not #FF6633 (tomato). Lavender is #E6E6FA, not #9999FF. Not surprisingly, "light golden yellow with a hint of peach" doesn't exist (although I have found a completely unofficial reference to #FFFFCC as "Almost Unreadable Yellow," and some only-slightly-less-unofficial references to antique white, beige, blanched almond, corn silk, lemon chiffon, light goldenrod yellow, moccasin, and papaya whip).
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Wandering Angela may be on the right track. Counting the notes may be the key. Notice that none of them run over 26 so we can translate the numbers to the corresponding letters in the alphabet. I tried earlier, but ended up with a lot of repeating letters.

Here's what I got when I converted Angela's numbers to letters:

AHIK LJV LIJL JHJL KWTW XWXU FKJL HNLK JOKL LNLK LKKL LKLK IGLL

I'll try to ROT this. I'll also pick out the letters that don't repeat to see if they form anything.

ROTing didn't get me any closer to a solution, but it wasn't a total waste of time. By moving all letters back 4 I came up with four legitimate words: ELMO BABY POOP
Anyone have a clue as to the color of Elmo's poo? Just thought I'd ask.

In terms of the colors, it's my opinion that they are the second phase of the puzzle because they are too random to be the input, but maybe a sampling of the output.

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For the heck of it I tried to uncamouflage the sheetmusic image with a number of colors such as white, black, prism, rainbow, light, blue, grey, including the ones already listed with no luck.

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Re: [PUZZLE] Setting too good an example...

I believe I've found the piece. It appears to be the violin part from Fritz Kreisler's Praeludium and Allegro (In the style of Pugnani) for violin and piano:



Here's what the first page looks like. Lyn has given us page 2, which I can't seem to find online anywhere. Mad And now my head hurts.
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broken link, shad0?
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