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[Question] Re: Sente - why do people think he is evil?
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rose
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 		[Question] Re: Sente - why do people think he is evil?
I can't find where Sente does anything that marks him as evil. But I noticed the common perception of him is that he is evil or working for the 3P. I just couldn't find any evidence of it. I think he is covering up things relating to Viendenbourg because it is a top secret project - but other than that I haven't seen him do anything that makes him seem untrustworthy.

What did I miss?
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 		This goes back an awful long way to the time when all was spec and nothing happened. Lots of nothing.

I remember it surfacing when all we had was the letter from Sente and the sign-up space. I think we tried all possible specs as to who Sente was and what his motivations were. Being of enquiring and cynical persuasion there was a definite movement towards thinking "Who's this Sente anyway?" and "Why does he want the cube?" and "Why should we believe him?" and "Sente's obviously evil for wanting this cube, we probably shouldn't give it back" and "Kill, maim, disfigure!".

And I think it stuck.

Aloof manipulator maybe, certainly not spotless, but evil is a bit strong, I agree. And Sente being evil is too much of a plot cop-out. I really don't want him on top of Centre-point with the cube under one arm (erm...assuming it gets sent back) being buzzed by Scarlett in a biplane (the Scarlett Baron? Ignore me) cackling madly. With a thunderstorm.
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 		Sente Not evil?
So if no one has a great reason why Sente is evil, I think we need to tell him about the libraryofbabel directory. Sente is the only person who has access to the resources we need to help us with this.

Of course now that the 3P are on Earth we have to assume that they know everything that we know. Which puts us in an odd position in-game, in that we don't know more than the characters do. Which means that we could operate on the theory that, as the bad guys know all that we know, we might as well tell people everything. The bad guys will already know, so why not make sure that good guys do? I don't see how we can make things worse than they are - though that isn't the best theory to use when deciding how to play.

Ideas anyone? I hope that people read this thread because I don't want people to be angry if I, or anyone else, decide to email Sente with information. I am trying to get to the reasons why the players don't trust Sente and don't seem to want to involved him.


(I am wondering why Violet, Scarlett and Kurt don't trust him more. I know they had some vague idea that as they don't know who is in the 3P that they can't trust him. But that didn't stop them from trusting Henrik and Karen. And Caine.)
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 		What resources are you thinking of?

rose wrote:
Of course now that the 3P are on Earth we have to assume that they know everything that we know. Which puts us in an odd position in-game, in that we don't know more than the characters do. Which means that we could operate on the theory that, as the bad guys know all that we know, we might as well tell people everything.


This is something I have always been unclear on. MC are in-game when it suits them (the leaked e-mails with Adrian and Naomi, and the culture show interview as off the top of my head examples) and out of game when it doesn't (erm "I witnessed someone bury something" nudge nudge, wink wink). How do the PXC forums stand? Unforum is obviously out. Perplexorum, I don't know yet. But the PXC forums are in game? And do they have access to the blogs?

So yes I guess we have to assume they know what we know.

rose wrote:
The bad guys will already know, so why not make sure that good guys do? I don't see how we can make things worse than they are - though that isn't the best theory to use when deciding how to play.


I say go for it (though this thread is hardly the most popular it seems, maybe hang for a third opinion?!). It might stir up a whole host of troubles. It might be ignored. It might be fun.

Post Viendenbourg Scarlett knows that her father is connected to the secret facilities there that did suspect things to her mate Alain. Violet knows this too. There are also the events at Silburn-Griggs and the flooding of the mines to consider (his knowing cryptic comments about not leaving something down there). So maybe they do have reasons to mistrust him? My understanding has always been that he has got us (and by implication, them) to do the things that he is unable to do because of his political position and because it would be very easy for the 3P to stir up a scandal if he did the least thing wrong, removing him from his position (although if he truly thought recovery of the cube was this vital wouldn't he risk his position...although perhaps he is). I also think that the Scooby gang suspect this is the case.

Something else to bear in mind...do we have a direct e-mail for Sente? Don't they go via Patrick Azadian? He is more of an unknown quantity, but certainly party to an awful lot more than anyone else.
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What resources are you thinking of?

Well, specifically I was thinking of helping us identify CT. I did think of emailing everyone we have an email for in PPC and asking them if they know of any missing people. It might help us identify who the 3P sent here. Our access to information is extremely limited and they may or may not respond, but it is at least a course of action to take. Smile

I am sure we will come up with other ways that Sente could help us. And I am sure he might have some hints for us as well.


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This is something I have always been unclear on. MC are in-game when it suits them (the leaked e-mails with Adrian and Naomi, and the culture show interview as off the top of my head examples) and out of game when it doesn't (erm "I witnessed someone bury something" nudge nudge, wink wink).


Yes, the line isn't completely clear.

I think the best thing to do is to assume that all player created sites are out of game--that includes this forum, perplexorum, other forums, blogs people create about the game the card catalog, the wiki, etc.

For the Mind Candy PPC site -perplexcity.com - I don't know where to put it. I would assume that it is out of game as far as characters being able to read information that is posted on it. The leaderboard somewhat confuses that issue, as the Sentinel reports on it. Presumably they get their information from a report sent to them by Mind Candy. I don't think the people in PPC can access our leaderboard directly.

Now that the 3P are on Earth, they can easily buy cards themselves and get a complete set to try to understand the markings and find the Cube. So they don't have to have access to the perplexcity site. I would also think that they can access the blogs and all the PPC sites that are accessible to us. No wonder we can't access the backdoor to the Crypto department anymore. Wink

Here is another question: if the 3P can monitor all the blogs, how are we going to get info back and forth without them knowing about it?
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rose wrote:
Here is another question: if the 3P can monitor all the blogs, how are we going to get info back and forth without them knowing about it?


To be honest, I thought CT's message was an attempt at this. The only way we found this is using that wonderful collective knowledge stuff. Having not got a complete set of cards, the leaked email that mentions subdirectories or the kind of brain that thinks in the right way, I never would have guessed at its location. The joy of working together means that I can see the message on the cards and the leaked email, but 3P might not be so lucky. There's still a high probability that they don't know about CT's message even with all their earth based operatives. While there's no link on any of the blogs, I'd still regard it as undiscovered by 3P.

Consequently, I would resist telling anyone specifically about CT without good reason. Whilst evil feelings about Sente may or may not be justified, we just don't know. And maybe we should be more worried about Azadian. Who knows. Personally my most trusted person is Kurt but I wouldn't even tell him. CT's very protective of his anonymity and appears to be continuing to supply information (albeit at his own pace). We have his trust atm and I would hate to lose it (he did ask us not to find him for this very reason).

At the moment the bloggers seem oblivious to the fact that they're broadcasting their secret antics to the whole earth, 3P included. Well, Scarlett tried hiding her Viendenbourg trip but I would expect highly trained evil operatives to be able to sign up to an email newsletter. I kind of liked the way the 333 packs' message worked (or Azadian's Sudoku didn't) since the only real advantage we have over 3P is numbers (at least here on earth). But I know there are players out there doing it on their own who would be excluded if more plot based things were handled in that manner. Then again, I never really understood how lonely players could have found The Advisor or followed the Receda Trail. Perhaps if Kurt chose a couple of emailers he trusted, emailed them with that week's secure site and told them to pass it on only to players that they trust (so clearly it could be posted on the 3P immune forums) ... I've had many ideas, the only trouble being that they make it harder for new players (and lone players) to join in, something that is understandably undesirable, something that seems inevitable with solutions to this problem.

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