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Rand0m
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Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 271 Location: London
Agent Lex wrote:
I've sent off an email to Violet
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Scarlett has come across a picture of the lighthouse where Anthony Granier wrote his novel "Lay Sorrowe to Rest" which might contain a secret compartment behind a puzzle.
- Lex
Here's hoping.
Ooh, she's going to love for you dobbing her in to Big Sister!
Surely the solution will be whichever combination needs the fewest turns, as said above?
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:21 am
Cabbage
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Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 320 Location: North-East England, UK
Of course, a lighthouse is typically a WARNING OF DANGER and indicates DO NOT APPROACH. Do we really want this thing opened? If it does open that is...
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:49 pm
Bokgonn
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 5
Is it just me or is anyone else thinking, just slip the guy a couple of sleeping tablets in his coco and take an axe to the door ?
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:57 pm
twofivefour
Boot
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 10
LilPickle-Amplizine wrote:
Yeah, I was just thinking there are four solutions too. But the fact that all the colors agree when you do it makes me think that still is the right way to go.
Or looking at it another way, there are 6 2x2s and 6 colors. There are 4 of each color and 4 tiles in each 2x2. Putting both of these facts together implies that a solution would involve 6 2x2s, one of each color. Now that is not possible to prove using formal logic, but it is the most likely.
I stick by any of the 4 solutions based off my earlier screenshot. If you twist each of the 6 a quarter turn in the same direction, and then do that three times, that makes the 4 solutions (if you were wondering).
After checking the permutations, you need either 5 or 7 quarter-turns to reach each of the four solutions from our starting position.
So, the two solutions with 5 quarter-turns are:
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12: None
2: None
4: 1 turn anti-clockwise
6: 2 turns
8: 1 turn clockwise
10: 1 turn anti-clockwise
And:
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12: 1 turn clockwise
2: 1 turn clockwise
4: None
6: 1 turn anti-clockwise
8: 2 turns
10: None
I don't see any way to solve this without turning one piece twice, which might cause too much noise.
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:36 am
steamer
Greenhorn
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Wolverhampton/ Cardiff UK
has agent lex had a reply from violet yet it may just provide us with the info we need to solve this conclusively,
once she comes back to us it may be worth getting info on the light house and if it exists although that might come from behind the painting:
i feel a treasure hunt brewing
i do like reptiles solve of matching the checkerboard as best as we can and getting the light blue to form a diamond when put together
i think we could be nearly there!!!!!
yeah right
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:47 am
rose
...and then Magic happens
Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 4117
combinations Does anyone think that instead of the fewest numbers of turns, this puzzle may in fact be like a combination lock?
Where you have to turn the outside number, then the inside one, than the outside one again?
And a hint from Scarlett:
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A few of you have sent me things to try to see if I can get that mosaic to open a secret door or something. So far, no go... and what's more, I've discovered that of those six more prominent tiles, the top one and the lower one on the left side (I guess that's twelve o'clock and eight o'clock) won't budge even a little bit.
I think you're all on the right track trying to make some sort of pattern, though, it's very much in keeping with the popular puzzle style of the time. I keep looking at it and thinking six squares and six colours, that has to be significant, doesn't it?
So what was the popular puzzle style of the time?
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:38 am
Austin
Boot
Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 53 Location: uk
I just emailed Scarlett with this (assuming LilPickle-Amplizine has the right solution) since it would be impossible otherwise. Obviously there is the other possibility that the 8 o'clock block is the handle but that seems unlikely to me.
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Scarlett,
The fact that there are 2 blocks that don't move at all would suggest that one of those is the 'handle' which will unlock
any secret door that might be there. Logically, this should be the top one if this is like Earth safes and so you will
probably have to get all the other blocks into position before it will turn.
So, position the other blocks as follows :
2 o'clock - dark blue at the top, turquoise at bottom
4 o'clock - purple at top, white at bottom
6 o'clock - turquoise at top, pink at the bottom
8 o'clock - fixed
10 o'clock - pink at top at bottom, dark blue at bottom
then the top (12 o'clock) block should be free turn one way or the other - hopefully! It should need a full half turn to
get all the colours into different positions in each block.
Seems to make sense, you usually need to move a locking mechanism once you have the right combination.
Austin.
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:08 pm
Bokgonn
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 5
Its all to do with reflection, draw a cross on it, I think it's this...
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12 - fixed
2 - clockwise 2 turns
4 - anti-clockwise 1 turn
6 - anti-clockwise 1 turn
8 - fixed
10 - clockwise 1 turn
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:10 pm
BrianEnigma
Entrenched
Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 1199 Location: Pacific Northwest
Color Shades It may be a trick of my eyes, but it looks like all of the "background" grid squares are just two colors--blue and purple, whereas the six protruding bits have three(?) shades of blue and three(?) shades of purple--although to my eyes one of the purples looks like an even darker shade of blue (the leftmost piece of the lower-left knob), but it doesn't make as much sense to have 4 shades of blue and 2 shades of purple, does it? Could it be a 6-step gradient instead of two sets of color? As best as I can make out, these are the 6 unique colors. I tried to arrange them by gradient, but I'm a little unsure if I got the blues right. The second and third may need swapping, but even then it didn't look quite right.
The background squares also appear to be in a very regular alternating checkerboard pattern. I don't see an obvious way to continue that with the knobs (especially given the ones that do not rotate.)
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:28 pm
Bokgonn
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 5
I think the background pattern should be ignored. It would just be there so that at a casual glance the whole pattern didn't stand out. If it were just the 6 buttons then it would scream "I'm a puzzle, come press and turn bits". Therefore its relating JUST to the 6 buttons and their colours... anyone with me on this one?
Scarlett does say there are 6 colours btw, so its not a trick of the light shade thing, it's supposed to look like 6 shades.
I've spent an hour looking for classic puzzles etc but can't find anything. I still think taking an axe to it is faster
The other thought was that as its 6 squares and the whole theme is regarding a cube... if you stuck all those sides together on a cube is there any relevance, and if so... can that be transposed back onto a 2d plain ?
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:48 pm
ALISDAIRPARK
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Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 1646 Location: Everywhere else
I've been looking at the 12 & 8 o'clock pieces to see if there is anything obvious (assuming these 2 are correctly positioned, otherwise what's the point ((..the sharp bit at the end? sorry ))) but see nothing.
IMHO the solve is similar to Bokgonn's :
12 - stuck
2 - no move
4 - 1 turn clockwise
6 - 1 turn anticlockwise
8 - stuck
10 - no move
However 4 & 10 may then need anywhere up to a further 3 moves each to get the right combo.
EDIT: Bokgonn's thinking about a cube has led me to thinking we need to get the blocks aligned so each of the 4 squares of the same colour are in different positions. This would tie in with the hint we've been given that 12 & 8 don't move
. def not this it isn't possible, back to my suggestion above
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:53 pm
BrianEnigma
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Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 1199 Location: Pacific Northwest
Bokgonn wrote:
The other thought was that as its 6 squares and the whole theme is regarding a cube... if you stuck all those sides together on a cube is there any relevance, and if so... can that be transposed back onto a 2d plain ?
Given the whole cube-worship of their culture and given the six 2x2 faces, I do wonder if we're looking at a cube here: top, back-left, back-right, front-left, front-right, and bottom. If that's the case, we can't rotate the top or front-left, and the colors of those edges (assuming I'm extrapolating how they would fit together correctly) don't match. So maybe the point would be to rotate the "faces" of the cube so that no color matches any other color of an adjoining face?
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:32 pm
Bokgonn
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 5
Just got up this morning and had another look at Scarlett's reply... the only thing bugging me now about this cube idea is her statement...
Quote:
I think you're all on the right track trying to make some sort of pattern, though, it's very much in keeping with the popular puzzle style of the time.
So it needs to be a pattern ? and whats the classic puzzle of it's time, what time is that exactly, at the time of her mothers childhood ? Obviously with the cube idea I think rubix 6 colours 6 sides ?
The guy who knocked up the twisty mosaic shockwave jobby... knock us up a page that has 3d rotating cube that you can rotate faces on that translates it to a list of turns you've made with a graphical 2d representation, cheers.
Oh well off to work!
EDIT - Hey just thinking AGAIN! forget the squares as beeing a 'FACE' of the cube... but think of them as a 'CORNER' that way if put together it would allow you to get all colours on same face... no wait that means 6 squares on 8 corners... dammit I think way too much!
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:12 am
ramsfan
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Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 232 Location: holmfirth, yorks
I agree with Rubick's cube, ie turns to get the six same colours on six faces. Thinking about shuffled ages ago it appealed to me that a deck of cards plus 2 jokers would fit on a normal rubick's cube.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:43 am
Sylvia
I Have No Life
Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 2062
Don't know if this makes any since, but try this.
I can't explain it, but maybe you will know what i mean.
It creates a pattern when 2 (2X2) are put side by side.
Oh and 1 should say 12.
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