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Scarlett's Granier Painting Puzzle
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thalamus
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cruse4 wrote:
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the lighthouse from the picture features in card 160 - Fingerprints. It can be seen on a bottle of wine in the card, the bottle reads "Chateau Vucetich" with the number 231 under it...then in small print there is "...(something which i can't make out) cellars".

Thought i'd mention it incase it helps in some obscure way! Laughing


i guess this is why the wine is from that particular vineyard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Vucetic

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:03 am
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gamegirl
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 		One thing to keep in mind is that when you have a cube cut apartand layed flat, the squares are typically numbered as follows:

4
5 1 2 6
3


(I think I got that right - I'm doing it by memory on the road - you might double check me on a math website)

Regrdless, it may play an important part in the order the squares are virtually pulled from the puzzle and numbered. Possibly, the top most being #1 and so on around the frame.

edit: my numbers did not post my spaces properly - the 4 and 3 are supposed to be above and below the 1.
I'm working on it to try to have no color side touching any other color.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:30 pm
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poozle
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doublecross wrote:
Poozle, not top and bottom, but top, and bottom left (i.e. 12 and 8 o'clock)


Oooops, my mistake, must have misread it.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:51 pm
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hobyrne
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Sylvia wrote:
Next is my weird thinking on how to make a cube considering 12 and 8 can't be moved.
So if visualize a cube 12 would be the top and 8 would be the front and 6 would be the bottom. While 10 would be the left side and 4 the right side and 2 the back.

Since 12 and 8 can't be moved they create the first pattern top to bottom with 6 and 2 reversing the pattern.
Then going across 10 and 8 create the first pattern with 4 and 2 reversing the pattern.

This may not be right, but it just has to be close.


Ahaaa, I think I have a clue.

Sylvia shows a way to construct a cube from the 6 tiles, and hypothesises that pairs of squares at antipodes should be the same colour. I like that, and with 12 and 8 fixed, this fixes 6 and 2. 10 and 4 could still be in any one of 4 configurations, though.

I propose this:
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Code:

  AD
  BE
FEBACDCF
CDCFFEBA
  DA
  EB
  AB
  FC

The reason I like this above the other 3 possibilities is this.
The two long vertical columns, as represented above, are ABBCDEAF and DEAFABBC, one of which is just a rotation of the other. The two long horizontal rows are FEBACDCF and CDCFFEBA, which are again rotations of each other: another rotation shows CFFEBACD, which follows the same pattern as ABBCDEAF. No other rotation of 10 and 4 looks like this.

There is a third pair of 8-letter strings with an equivalent physical 'meaning' (as such) on the cube (I can post details if necessary), and it's EDDAFCEB, which follows the same pattern again.


PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:56 pm
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hobyrne
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 		Re: Alternate cube
hobyrne wrote:

Some simple ASCII graphics:

...

If you 'fold' the FAB block, you get half of a cube:

Code:

   +--+
   | B|
   | B|
+--+--+--+
|  |AA|BB|
|FF|AA|  |
+--+--+--+
   |F |
   |F |
   +--+
   |  |
   |  |
   +--+


So, the CDE will fold into half a cube too, and they'll fit together.

Someone take it from here? My mind is fizzing.


Fizzing. Yes. But I continued along this line. There are two ways to put the halves together, and then 256 ways to rotate the tiles. Out of all 512 possibilities, I think only *one* represents a valid 2*2*2 Rubik's cube. (I've done a pen-and-paper search, so I may be in error.)

The solution, using Sylvia's colour letters, capitals for the nonmoving tiles and lowercase for the moving ones, and numbers to show the "o'clock" position...

Code:

           2
 12  ....ab
   AD....fc.
   BE      .. 4
  ..        cd
  ..        fe
  ..        ..
  ..        ..
  fe        ..
  cd        ..
10 ..      ed
    .BA....ba
     CF....  6
    8


Folded, it looks like this (you can check for yourself that this is a Rubik's cube, much more effort is required to prove it's the *only* one):

Code:

    1---2
    |e b|
    |   |
    |d a|
1---3---4---2
|f c|A D|f c|
|   |   |   |
|c f|B E|C F|
5---6---7---8
    |e B|
    |   |
    |d A|
    5---8
    |e b|
    |   |
    |d a|
    1---2


In case you're interested, the solved Rubik's cube looks like:
Code:

  FF
  FF
DDAABB
DDAABB
  CC
  CC
  EE
  EE


PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:31 pm
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Konch
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 		Hey, Granier built the Adamek house, right?

We know that he was a major Third Power member. At some point Violet even describes a giant third power symbol in the house. I thought maybe the squares correlate with the third power symbol, but I think that a cube is a good idea as well.

Nothing makes a 2d puzzle harder then having to change it into 3d, right?

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GreenWindmill
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 		I think from this point on it's almost a guessing game since there have been numerous plausible answers suggested and we have no definite indication of which way the tiles are combined to form a cube if that is the right way to go about the puzzle.

Plenty of sleepless nights for Scarlett trying out all our combinations then!
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Bokgonn
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 		Nah it's easy now... if it is a Rubix and she's been told the gist, the solution doesn't matter because with x people emailing her solutions, she'll just post up "Ok I think you are right, its based on the Rubix cube... and based on what you guys have helped me with i've had a go and this was the answer, thanks for your help guys *flutters eyelashes" - job done.

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Scott
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 		My goodness you are optimistic!
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Daffy889
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 		Of course the alternative is that Uncle Sanjean will catch her and throw her in Granier's dungeon (which we haven't heard about but surely exists), never to be seen again.
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GreenWindmill
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Nah it's easy now... if it is a Rubix and she's been told the gist, the solution doesn't matter because with x people emailing her solutions, she'll just post up "Ok I think you are right, its based on the Rubix cube... and based on what you guys have helped me with i've had a go and this was the answer, thanks for your help guys *flutters eyelashes" - job done.


Only likely if we're being slower than Mind Candy wants at solving one of their puzzles. They seem to be trying to wrap things up in time for the next season hence the deluge of hints leading us to new websites, etc.

Perhaps if we play dumb enough they'll just hand the cube over together with solutions to Shuffled and 13th Labour and a full apology for the Riemann insanity?! Very Happy
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 		SOLVED!
I think we can mark this solved and get on with the next puzzle!
I'm spoilering this answer in case people want to keep working away on it a bit longer.
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Anyway, you must be wondering what the solve was - it turns out to be simpler than anyone had been thinking! I only needed to move two of the tiles to open it. The 2 o'clock tile went 90 degrees counter-clockwise, and the 6 o'clock tile rotated 180 degrees, and then pop! it just opened right up.

Both Brian Rater and Claire Melton sent me this answer, and looking at it, it makes sense, because the resultant pattern leaves only one mosaic tile of each colour on the innermost, outermost, left and right points of the tiles as you look at them from the center, and moreover the colours go through the same pattern.

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 		Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Yea! My first solve and my first mention in PPC! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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