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[Update] New messages, leaves -- Library of Babel
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rose
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 		thoughts about CT and the Cube theft
great work finding this stuff.

Here's my thoughts:

1. The Cube was stolen because of Sente's attitude of not allowing others to research the Cube and possibly because of the research Sente himself was doing.

2. Sente knows who CT is and has covered up his/her disappearance.

3. Sente knows how the Cube got to Earth.

4. CT is familiar with the Academy -probably an undercover researcher (like Claire) and may have had access to the information about the Cube including the classified materials in the Library, like the Diary which gave information about the fatal experiments done with the Cube.

5. CT is familiar with Earth so knows Earth Studies and is able to function here without assistance. He is giving mixed messages about his desire to hide and remain silent and the consequences of his silence.

CT added the message to the cards to lead us here. I haven't been able to come up with a decent reason as to why anyone would want to either plant that message or plant the site to mislead us.

CT's paranoia about traveling companions seems directed at the 3P and a fear we might bring them with us. I think we can assume that the 3P knows all the information available to us from every place except unfiction and the wiki. They know all the info on the cards, the blogs, the websites in the game.

6. Tanner - the security chief at the Academy is involved with the theft, though possibly not CT. I am suspicious of Tanner because of his knowledge about the stolen parts -both those found in the Five of Cups and the part taken when Anna was murdered. Tanner has to have traced those parts at least as far as Kurt did and probably farther.

I also don't believe that Sente accidentally left a password where Kurt could see it. The alternatives: Kurt knew about the Project before and is lying about how he got the information; or Sente left the password intentionally to see who would try to use it, as a sort of trap for moles.

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1. We could have a possible mole working with others on unfiction and other discussion boards who is playing the game and working with the 3rd power?


No, this discussion board doesn't exist in the game world. The PMs moniter the boards to keep track of the community and our progress but the characters can't actively use information from here.

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Trustworthy players will be able to receive messages, but we have to stop looking


I think the leaked emails was the way the PM gave us clues to find the libraryofbabel page. Hopefully we will be able to find things in the future without them having to resort to that.

I don't think that the point of the message is to say that some players are trustworthy and others aren't. I think the point is that the 3P agents on Earth can also follow what we see and to remind us to be careful of those pesky 3P moles. Smile

Also, we aren't going to stop looking, if CT didn't want to be found he shouldn't have left the message on the cards.
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Caol
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 		Okay, something that's been bugging me about wording in the file that no one else has mentioned. The phrase "I stumbled onto it" has two meanings. Either the person was in the museum (where we assume the cube to have been) and tripped and fell into physical contact with it, or they were going about their business somewhere else and suddenly "Oh! Who put that there?", they stumbled on it. Because since he's perlexian, as he's said, then he would have to know where the cube was kept and it couldn't be a surprise finding it in the museum, finding it in an alleyway, though, that would warrant being termed "stumbling on".

Now, there are about two ways I can think of for the cube to have been anywhere other than in the museum. Either, one, someone stole it and put it somewhere else first and then this guy "stumbled" over it (in the "found" sense) and was whisked away to earth, or two, since I'm thinking the cube was "escaping" its thieves in the first place by transporting the two of them away, why could it not have moved itself somewhere else in Perplex City first? 3P never got its hands on it because it was already gone, but was it necessarily already on earth at the moment they failed to find it there? Just a few thoughts.


themandotcom wrote:
But I s/he was taken away, then s/he was in fact at the party, and was gone for some time.


Maybe I'm missing something here, but what's the connection between the party's attendants and the "thief"? And if it was the cube who took this person to earth, then wouldn't they not know of a way to make a wormhole for themself to get back to perplex city? So we'd almost have to assume the person to still be on earth, wouldn't we? And that'd be more than gone for a night. : )

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ryandrew
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 		Just a thought, but can we definitely trust this person? We don't know if they are genuine. It could be another third power trick. May I point you all to the website we got before the Clapham event, and infact the entire trail that led us there:
http://www.weneedtofindthem.com/
This was also somebody asking for our help, who turned out to be a thirdpower agent tricking us. And again, with the message on the Viard CD. We thought it was somebody's genuine request for help, but it turned out to be V messing with us. So now somebody is annonymously asking for help, how do we know we should trust them? It could be the Third Power feeding us false clues to slow down our own investigation.
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achenar
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Caol wrote:

Now, there are about two ways I can think of for the cube to have been anywhere other than in the museum. Either, one, someone stole it and put it somewhere else first and then this guy "stumbled" over it (in the "found" sense) and was whisked away to earth, or two, since I'm thinking the cube was "escaping" its thieves in the first place by transporting the two of them away, why could it not have moved itself somewhere else in Perplex City first? 3P never got its hands on it because it was already gone, but was it necessarily already on earth at the moment they failed to find it there? Just a few thoughts.


themandotcom wrote:
But I s/he was taken away, then s/he was in fact at the party, and was gone for some time.


Maybe I'm missing something here, but what's the connection between the party's attendants and the "thief"? And if it was the cube who took this person to earth, then wouldn't they not know of a way to make a wormhole for themself to get back to perplex city? So we'd almost have to assume the person to still be on earth, wouldn't we? And that'd be more than gone for a night. : )


Possible answers that've popped into my head:
- the Cube transported itself to another location, as you suggested, and placed an illusion up in its place - possibly well before time. The Cube could have been gone for months beforehand, and hell, if the Cube is sentient and powerful enough to transport itself like that, it could definitely create an illusion that would fool various sensors and things
- the Cube has in fact been secretly stored elsewhere forever, and said illusion/replica has been in place. That elsewhere could possibly be Viendenbourg, where Sente has been illegally researching it, or something - thus the finder might have wandered into Viendonbourg somehow and 'stumbled upon it'.
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mqpippin
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 		Please do not trout me too hard, but....
Card #146 and the UV message. I've never figured out what the heck it diddling means:

Electric splash
BB, 21 to 24
4: C, V, K, Q
20, V to 24

*trout-impending flinch moment now*
could a comb, when wrapped in wax paper and rubbed on corduroy pants, produce a thunder clap that had enough electricity to make CT splash Bad Beer on guests #21 thru 24, forcing violet to stand in for the wax likeness of the Queen and have to play that annoying Maddening Cottenpottymouth game with American tourists who keep thinking that if they can figure out the rules, they'll be able to understand what's the freaking deal with that Cricket game that ya'll Brits like so much, I mean, there's just no where NEAR enough violence. Keep that little wooden oar thing and smack the crap out of someone for pete's sake! I WANT BLOOD !!! BLOOD....

uhm... ya know, I had intended to try to make this post half-way sane, because I do think, or at least hope that it may actually be relevant and that the Bananelephant will bring me presents during the next Solar Eclipse caused by Oprah Winfrey...

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.... but my pants are a close second.

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you know briten isnt the only country on earth that gets cricket im aussie but dont quote me on that as im an inactive aussie
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 		Ok, this came to me a couple of days ago. Getting in the ARG spirit...

Scarlett's story says that, during the research she did into the war that no-one ever talks about, she found out the weapons technology at the time was far ahead of what pxc currently has, including very advanced AI's. Although the cube was found in the gorge south of the city, there's nothing to say that's where it was first discovered. There is circumstancial evidence to suggest it was unearthed in viendenborg, possibly related to that "mining project that will end the war", something sente and the military seem to have resurrected.

So, my postulation is this: What is the cube is an AI core? In a city as tech-based as pxc, especially given their wireless network coverage, an advanced AI could effectively have free rein, able to hack almsot any system. You can see how his would be quite attractive to all sorts of people. If it's a military AI, it could quite possibly be paranoid as well.

It would also explain it's disappearence before the theft, if it knew it was about to be stolen. Someone happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, and was used by the cube to escape the situation. But this person then abandoned the cube, possiblely out of fear, so the cube hacked the academy servers to add the details onto the cards.

All of the above is pure speculation, of course, and some part are far more plausible than others even to me. Basically, the further you read, the more I stretch the idea. But it still seems possible.

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 		Re: Titles of Flash
Scribe wrote:
AtionSong wrote:
In the first library of babel flash, the flash file is found at waking.swf
Waking was the first word shown in the flash.

In the new library of babel flash, the flash file is found at realise.swf
Realise is the second word shown and the first important word


Also, you can get to these using http://www.perplexcityacademy.com/libraryofbabel/waking and http://www.perplexcityacademy.com/libraryofbabel/realise as the URL - no need to put ".swf" at the end. Personally (ex-web dev.. Wink ) I find this a bit odd - to me it feels like it's been deliberately set up this way, so that we can try keywords after the /libraryofbabel/ bit or something.


It's a standard (but somewhat obscure) Apache feature called MultiViews. I believe it's even turned on by default. Nothing interesting about that, I'm afraid. (It also works for all the other pages on the site - try it!)

Edited to fix accidental use of HTML

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jbd
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Elydo wrote:
It would also explain it's disappearence before the theft, if it knew it was about to be stolen. Someone happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, and was used by the cube to escape the situation. But this person then abandoned the cube, possiblely out of fear, so the cube hacked the academy servers to add the details onto the cards.


I find it more likely that being hidden is what the cube wanted, not that it was "abandoned". Possibly the arrangement was that our thief got sent over by a temporary wormhole created by the Cube, and he or she was meant to simply hide the Cube on Earth and go back.

I also find it more likely the person involved in setting up the hints on the cards is the thief, not the Cube itself.

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 		a little more to add to the sentient cube speculation:

from the green leitmark:
"AND GYVANN SAID DOUBT NOT THAT THE CUBE SPEAKS OR THAT ITS IS HEARD"

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 		Right. That's it. I've done it. I, eeeqz, have discovered the true identity of who stole the Receda Cube... the elusive 'CLAN M'...

COMBED THUNDERCLAP = CLAN M DROPD THE CUBE

OBVIOUSLY Clan M stole the Cube, then (because they're a clumsy lot) dropped it somewhere, where someone came across it and fell over it, accidently triggering the Cube's wormhole mechanism, sending them to Earth. From where the Cube has left us these pages to try and get itself sent back again (obviously the drop left the Cube damaged somehow so it can't just send itself back. Obviously.).

Yes, that's right, I am a genius. You can all thank me later *bows*.

Or, not. I'm never spending my evening anagramising again, that's for sure... plays merry havoc with one's sanity.
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eeeqz wrote:
Right. That's it. I've done it. I, eeeqz, have discovered the true identity of who stole the Receda Cube... the elusive 'CLAN M'...

COMBED THUNDERCLAP = CLAN M DROPD THE CUBE

OBVIOUSLY Clan M stole the Cube, then (because they're a clumsy lot) dropped it somewhere, where someone came across it and fell over it, accidently triggering the Cube's wormhole mechanism, sending them to Earth. From where the Cube has left us these pages to try and get itself sent back again (obviously the drop left the Cube damaged somehow so it can't just send itself back. Obviously.).

Yes, that's right, I am a genius. You can all thank me later *bows*.

Or, not. I'm never spending my evening anagramising again, that's for sure... plays merry havoc with one's sanity.


GENIUS! Laughing

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eeeqz wrote:
Right. That's it. I've done it. I, eeeqz, have discovered the true identity of who stole the Receda Cube... the elusive 'CLAN M'...

COMBED THUNDERCLAP = CLAN M DROPD THE CUBE


Almost right - it was the 14th in a collection of cloned molluscs: CLAM N DROPD THE CUBE. Laughing
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 		Actually: CUBE - OLD DAMP TRENCH

It is buried in a disused WW1 trench, probably northern France.
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 		Doublecross said:
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It is buried in a disused WW1 trench, probably northern France.


Nah, I was there a few weeks ago - didn't trip over any cubes in trenches nor tramps, wenches etc..

However

COMBED THUNDERCLAP = HUNDRED CATECOMB LP = HAIRCUT 100 ALBUM = FANTASTIC DAY!

And it would be if I found the cube!

*Frantically searches LP collection - alas to no avail.

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