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[EMAIL/PUZZLE Trail] Mystes: What Has Been Promised (Sept 2)
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Shad0
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Re: again

Interesting. Let's see what happens if we apply the same technique to the steptwo grids (since we know the answer to steptwo, even if we don't yet know how we were supposed to determine it):

First X:

Code:
ZZWZPKHL
TURLURJL
RLKGXZOU
NHKAXPWC
HKIYELCA
VRVKITYU
WYYWPURV
EKGHEGZY
ZCORAZGX
FBWEPAMX
AGHLOF

Second X/dot:

Code:
NRSOLESL
YINPIYOA
EEEOEPAR
FLSNTEEU
EGMUWIOL
RDSHETRG
TLHFWSNO
RENPASEO
ROANHOIB
FRERTWTT
SNEIIB

Difference:

Code:
12 08 04 11 04 06 15 00
21 12 04 22 12 19 21 11
13 09 08 18 19 10 14 03
08 22 18 13 06 11 18 08
03 04 22 04 08 03 14 15
04 14 03 03 04 00 07 14
03 13 17 17 19 02 04 07
13 06 19 18 04 14 21 09
08 14 14 04 19 11 24 22
00 10 18 13 22 04 19 04
08 14 20 03 06 04

Hmm.
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pagrashtak
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I've created a wiki page at http://ctw2.wikia.com/wiki/Nymphus_to_Miles_Trail containing the solves so far, starting from the Success/Failure puzzle up to this point. Feel free to correct or inform if anything's wrong.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Cross posting from the thread that generated the response.
Per an email I sent to Simon saying "He has come",
I got an email saying;
Quote:
Your intuitive leap is impressive, to recognize the demon behind the mask.

Can you show discretion of the same level in protecting this knowledge?

He wears the face of everyman, this usurper of forbidden knowledge. Mankind has been freely gifted with many kinds of wisdom and the free will to pollute that wisdom. Yet there is one who would take from the Gods that which is not his to secure, that which was never meant for humankind, and will attempt to taint these mysteries. He possesses knowledge of things that were, things that are, and things yet to be. He is a haunter of dreams, a thief of the night. Bring him to us and we will bind you in oath and your reward shall be your Deliverance.

To your willingness, we will provide the way.

Simon



This leads to:
http://mystes.com/deliverance.html

Which is another split-picture but with the above text.
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And this came today.

Again

We wait, while the risk draws ever nearer.

Beginnings are not always the start and often start many places beyond the beginning.

As you found knowledge previously by an alternative path, perhaps knowledge may now be bartered for an alternative to the obstacle you now face.

Simon

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Curious...
I've been on the distribution for all the Mystes bulk emails, previously.
I didn't get that one, though.
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grumpyboy
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going back to steptwo.html. I believe it was supposed to solve to BOTH knowledge and prometheus. here is why:

the letters from the 2ndX/dot combinations were: nrsoleslyinpiyoaeeeoeparflsnteeuegmuwiolrdshetrgtlhfwsnorenpaseoroanhoibfrertwttsneiib

which (as i've mentioned in a previous post in this thread) is "Prometheus hangs yet upon a barren stone. Free will fails to flower where responsibility does not reign" all mixed up leading to prometheus.html

letters indicated by the 1stX were: zzwzpkhlturlurjlrlkgxzounhkaxpwchkiyelcavrvkityuwyywpurvekghegzyzcorazgxfbwepamxaghlof

count forward from each of the 2ndX/dot letter to the corresponding 1stX letter, counting both of the letters themselves (e.g. n to z = 13 = m, r to z = 9 = i, etc), gives: mielegpavmewmtvlnhgstkodiwsnelsideweidopeoddeahodnrrtcehngtseovkiooetlywaksnweteitddge
(this should be similar to what mapmaker/shad0 worked out earlier, except maybe theirs would be 0 = A, 1 = B, etc.)

this is "Knowledge protected is knowledge saved, and tempered with insight this knowledge may evolve to wisdom" all mixed up, leading to knowledge.html

note that the 2 strings are mixed up in the same order:

Code:
nrsoleslyinpiyoaeeeoeparflsnteeuegmuwiolrdshetrgtlhfwsnorenpaseoroanhoibfrertwttsneiib
mielegpavmewmtvlnhgstkodiwsnelsideweidopeoddeahodnrrtcehngtseovkiooetlywaksnweteitddge


takes a little trial and error but you'll see that the "p" from "prometheus" is in the same position as "k" from "knowledge", "r" in the same position as "n", etc. for the whole prometheus and knowledge phrases.

however, how the proper order was supposed to be determined still eludes me...

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a second possibility (but less likely in my mind) is that the knowledge.html page was found properly. and the order of the letters in the knowledge phrase gives the ordering of the prometheus phrase (i.e. with lots of trial and error, look up the "k" and find the "p", look up the "n" and find the "r", etc...)

but in my opinion, this possibility is less likely since the "try again" email from simon seems to indicate that we found the knowledge and prometheus pages improperly...

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so onto the again.html page:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the 2ndX/dot letters are: dreeeeabchhintthweruwdkmsvdfsitaehrrsuosloosanno
the 1stX letters are: drfghhefgllmrxxnclzcenuxdgqsfzgosvfijlgkekhluhim

the differences are: aabcddeeeeeeeeegghiiikklllnnnrnoooorrrsstwttuuvy
which is "No longer is it knowledge you seek, but rather deliverance" all mixed up (thanks to simon for giving that to us Razz)

i assume that the 2ndX/dot letters are mixed up in the same order, after LOTS (and i mean LOTS) of trial and error, i got "save this world from he who has taken our secrets unbidden"

giving the page: http://www.mystes.com/unbidden.html which has the other half of the message from deliverance.html...

similar to steptwo.html, i believe again.html was supposed to solve to both deliverance.html and unbidden.html but since simon was so nice to give Rogi the deliverance page, i used it to solve (kinda) again.html to unbidden.html

as with steptwo.html, how the proper order was supposed to be determined (i.e. with out the deliverance hints) eludes me...


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So when you put the two pieces together, you get the same quote that was send in the email.

Quote:
No longer is it knowledge you seek, but rather deliverance.


Code:
He wears the face of
everyman, this usurper of
forbidden knowledge.
Mankind has been freely
gifted with many kinds of
wisdom and the free will to
pollute that wisdom. Yet there
is one who would take from
the Gods that which is not his
to secure, that which was
never meant for humankind,
and will attempt to taint these
mysteries. He possesses
knowledge of things that
were, things that are, and
things yet to be. He is a
haunter of dreams, a thief of
the night. Bring him to us and
we will bind you in oath and
your reward shall be your
Deliverence.


Quote:
Save this world from he who has taken our secrets unbidden.

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Great job GB!! My HERO!!! Wink So are they talking about Wes? Shocked
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So, who do we trust?
Wes or Simon/Mystes?
Who is the good and who is the evil? We may have to choose sides soon.
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Here is the deliverance.jpg and the unbidden.jpg merged at 50% transparent.
del_unbid_sm.jpg
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konamouse wrote:
So, who do we trust?
Wes or Simon/Mystes?
Who is the good and who is the evil? We may have to choose sides soon.

I don't really trust either of them, which side is that?

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[Spec] They could be one and the same, after all, Wes did love him some puzzles.
Another angle I intend on looking into. Marzano/Roman Bern (Wes?) = same person this time around? After all, if Wes IS back, who better to hide your identity than as the villian of last reality that no-one has seen in this one?
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CK, good spec. There has to be a reason for why we haven't seen Don and Wes. Could Don be wearing the mask of Wes?

But my main question is how do we know to trust Simon/Mystes? How do we know that we aren't being duped by them? Are they just using us to find someone who has "dared" to find out their secrets?

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Sandra wrote:
But my main question is how do we know to trust Simon/Mystes? How do we know that we aren't being duped by them? Are they just using us to find someone who has "dared" to find out their secrets?


We don't know their intent. Using us as tools is a very real possibility.
But the PMs have given us an avenue to explore that should be checked out.
Not having played the first version of this game, I see no reason to blindly trust what either one says.
Just as with Keith, who I've stopped communicating with till he starts actually telling me something, I've opted to do the same with all the other entities. If it's just a story that will be told to me in which I have no ability to affect, my communications with the characters is pretty meaningless. I get everything I need out of the timed or canned replies to communications from those who prefer to interract more than I do.
Sam is the main exception to this rule. Her communications are specific and to the point, usually. I haven't been bothering her I haven't had the need, but will if it is appropriate.
Has anyone asked "Wes" about Mystes?
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Re: Whom to trust?

Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Has anyone asked "Wes" about Mystes?

I have. No reply yet, of course.
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