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[ixalon]

Re: Rip

[Cabbage]

Re: Rip off

[ixalon]

That would have actually been a really good puzzle if it was solvable by us earthlings without a map of the location!

Seems a bit of a waste though - it would have made a great Season 2 Black (possibly Silver) if they'd have made it relate to somewhere on Earth.

[Cabbage]

That's the reason why I slightly amended hobyrne's Post Subject title above

[kayakbabe]

I still keep coming back to the light house. Light has been used for many different types of semaphore codes like morse code for a long long time. It just makes sense to me that this is a on/off kind of code. maybe the on/offs represent binary or hexidecimal that then converts to text. The key maybe figuring out the timing pulse.

Also maybe each pair of lines is inverted like the number sequences on a lot of hte cards. the first line is right side up the second line is turned over. That would give us 6 pairs which is incidently 2^3.

[thalamus]

[Rand0m]

Not knowing it was solved, I sent this email to Tippy this afternoon, to see if it provoked a reaction beyond the automailer. It didn't of course.

[Magma42]

Well okay then... so I'm going to guess that each line being a 360 panorama of island/sealine obstruction, and that there are twelve of them, that there are probably 13 actual islands and we're looking for the one that wont have a corresponding line... Okay, two questions then.
1: I cant find the Lancewood Archipelago on the Perplex City Map. Anyone have any idea where it is?
2: how did you guys manage to turn those lines into circles. I'm guessing it was photoshop or something, but seriously, what exactly did you do? Or could someone post the 12 circles if they are feeling charitable?

[thalamus]

[Cabbage]

[charcoaldragon]

[rose]

founder

[makomk]

Out of curiosity/boredom, I made up a set of pieces of paper with the broken circles represented by the lines on them. It looks like this would've been fairly tricky to solve even if we had known exactly what the lines represented, though I'm not very good at this sort of puzzle anyway

[ne0x]

Is anyone planning on arranging these so that they make sense as a map? As well, what are we supposed to do with the lines that start low and end high?

Maybe I'll give it a whirl this weekend...

[Ehsan]

Having read through this puzzle after hearing it was solved, I think there's a misconception about it.

I don't think the puzzle was unsolvable. I don't even think it's solved. From what I understand, it's not about finding a particular island or identifying a location, which would require a map. The puzzle in itself is to create the map. The map is the solution, so the assumption that a map of the location was required to solve the puzzle is a contradiction.

As for the puzzle itself, makomk has taken the first step towards a solve. By cutting up the circles, you then extend lines as far as possible out of each center, and proceed to map intersecting lines to create the outlines of the areas (islands). It doesn't matter of we know it's a map or a not, because the end result would be a drawing which we then pass on to Scarlett.

So the Kurt update is not a solution, but just a clue telling us that there are 13 pieces, and 12 lines drawn to represent the horizon from each from each except one of the pieces.

The actual puzzle is still yet to be solved by the players, which requires the creation of the map using the extended lines from each circle, and then identifying the one island which is visible from all other island yet does not have a horizon line of its own.

Unfortunately, it seems that because of the game's time line, the PM's were also forced to push the story forward with this hint. Kurt solved it but didn't share the final drawing and left it as an exercise to the reader. Scarlett and Violet are already on their way to that particular island, and so there really isn't any motivation for us to solve it as players (except for personal satisfaction).


Of course all of the above are just my personal assumptions, so it could all be wrong. But I do believe that this is yet unsolved. We have been given a clue. We do not have any more motivation to solve it. And even with the 'method' to solve it known, it is still not intuitive and difficult to reproduce a map of islands using 360 horizontal panoramas of the horizon of each.


Excuse my crude attempt at explaining the above concept and just take a look at those intersecting lines, and imagine how difficult it is to go from lines to map with 12 pieces.



ETA: This hint makes perfect sense now: "but in fact it is a navigational symbol representing a rotation, starting at due North, and circling 360 degrees clockwise." (which we had a week ago, but you know... there is a *sigh* in hindsight)