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ardiente
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oxdeltaxo wrote:
Why are people repulsed by the creepy args?


That question kind of answers itself - but I wouldn't have taken any interest if it didn't have some hint of moral ambiguity or complexity. I like questions more than answers (which probably doesn't bode well for my nascent career as an ARG player Laughing )

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:03 pm
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I am giving serious consideration to relocation. My research can be moved fairly easily.In fact, I think this must be done for my safety. I am not sure if my research could legally continue in the United States (so many silly laws that slow human progress!) but I wold feel safer there.


What kind of research is he doing? hmm........

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What kind of research is he doing? hmm........


Speculating now, but conferences at the Vatican, restrictions in the US, points to stem cell research or some such thing. Rostand was into embryology of various kinds.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:18 pm
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 		Preliminary report on the warnings
Since the good doctor appears to be travelling still, I thought it'd be time to examine the videos in more detail.

  • A Warning
    This first video centres around a quotation from Jean Rostand, from his book published in 1939, "Thoughts of a Biologist". I haven't yet been able to locate a full version of the book to determine its contents, but the quotation itself reflects the attitude of a pacifist, atheist, and free-thinker, writing on the eve of WW2, and in the shadow of Stalin's rise.

    It could also, however, be interpreted perversely as a celebration of power over humanity - the more you destroy, the closer you come to being a god... and gods have the power to transform the world. This would reflect another side to Rostand, the promoter of positive eugenics, who called for the creation of a system of genetically distinct castes.

    The images in the video I haven't bothered to investigate since they seem to be merely illustrative of the quotation.

  • A Warning 2
    The image is of a dead vietcong soldier, the full version of which is linked below (its not terribly gruesome, but its not pretty either):

    Dead Vietcong soldier

    I don't know who the photographer was or where in Vietnam it was taken. The juxtaposition of the image and the soundtrack (the cuppy cake song) seems to be the point here: the beginning of life (child's voice) with the end of life? Sweetness and stench? The combination of opposites? Conflict? One could even make a more literal connection between the American accent of the child and the dead vietnamese. Perhaps the doctor has some history with the States that leads him to believe he will be 'safer' there in his current situation.

    However, by cropping the image 'AV' has effectively taken the personal effects (displayed next to the body) away from the soldier, suggesting that the image is meant to be generic.

  • A Warning 3
    A series of woodcut images: if any of them can be positively attributed then perhaps some of the subjectiveness of interpretation can be narrowed down

    Image one
    Learned men, one pointing to a canister on a shelf, alchemists? The canisters all have some form of heraldic labelling, possibly leading to a Middle Eastern connection:

    Quote:
    It is very meaningful, in this context, that the beginnings of heraldry coincided in time with very close contacts of European knights and scholars with the world of Islam through the crusades and Arab occupation of Spain. The passing of the "lamp" of esoteric learning from the Arabian astrologers, alchemists and mystics to their European successors is well documented and cannot be questioned. It was the main source of occult ideas before the Renaissance translations of Corpus Hermeticum and other hellenistic gnostic texts. And for alchemy, which developed along somewhat different lines than the occult tradition connected with magic and the Kabbalah, the Renaissance intellectual revolution had little importance.

    The same influence may be seen in the system of geometrical divisions of the heraldic shield called ordinaries. Mathematics and geometry of the Arabs at the time of crusades was highly developed and, as some authors say, "degenerated" into esoteric interpretations of the Neopythagorean school. The mystical significance of geometrical divisions and similar simple forms was studied both by architects and by Sufi masters. This is, however, a slippery ground for speculations as geometry also played significant role in Celtic and early Romanesque art symbolism.

    quoted from http://levity.com/alchemy/hermhera.html

    Image two
    Cannibals (?) chopping up a body on a table, perhaps could be interpreted as reconstructing the body

    Image three
    Woman and devil/demon in interior

    Image four
    Cannibals - with some similarity to this image of Brazilian cannibals, as reported by Hans Staden in the mid 1500's:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cannibals.23232.jpg

    Image five
    Demon/devil/manbeast turning the wheel

    Image six
    Skull and cross bones - AV
    The most interesting in turning up a chain of connections:
    Symbol of the Totenkopf SS division
    Joachim 'Jochen' Peiper led the first ss panzer division
    Both the Totenkopf and Peiper's panzers fought in the Kursk campaign (Operation Citadel)
    Kursk has a medical university, founded in 1935, for teaching and research to a high standard


Speculation I know, but still interesting.... No further leads on what AV might be though.

Removed the attached picture of the dead person. If you'd like you can upload it to an image hosting service and link to it with a spoiler type warning for those who don't care to see such things unexpectedly. ~ varin

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 		It's been a while since I've gotten into an arg. Last one was Orbital Colony.

Maybe AV stands for "Advanced Virus" or something along those lines. Stem cell research is a good guess, but genetic engineering might be an idea too. I'm working on an e-mail to the good doctor myself, posing as a biology student, and I might ask if he's familiar with viruses and epidemics. I'll edit in his response when (and if) it comes.

EDIT 1: By the way, ardiente, nice work so far! ^_^
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 		I got an email from him late last night, so he's back from the Vatican trip:

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Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:32:24 -0500
From: "Jochen Peiper" <doctorjpjr@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Warnings
I do not remember Rostand being a fearsome man at all. But then he was a friend of the family and I was a child. I don't understand why his words would be used or what they would mean.

This activity seems to be increasing. I was not at all comfortable at the Vatican but I should not talk about why just yet. I am working on relocation for my safety and then maybe I can reveal more.

Do you know what it is like to not feel safe anywhere? I have so much work to accomplish and I find devoting much energy to it difficult under these circumstances. My work must continue and I must find safety!

I am working to get more of this material to you and others. I honestly do not know what you can make of this postcard that was left under my office door. I am sending it to you anyway.

I apologize if I seem short tempered. I am very tired and frustrated.

Thank you for your assistance once again.

--
Dr. Jochen Peiper


Here is the postcard:



And my immediate observations:


  • [Illegible] DE LA LANCE [] [] []

  • A diamond with the letters AV and a kind of cross pattée, but the jpg compression obscures its shape a little - it seems to be an altered form with parallel straight lines near the centre of the cross (apparently well-known in continental European heraldry). Resembles an iron cross, and resembles the red cross pattée adopted by the Knights Templar. (and associated with the Crusades, that middle eastern connection again)

  • The diamond is pierced by the tip of a sword? a lance? a syringe? It does look very much like iv fertilisation: http://english.pravda.ru/img/2005/09/IVF.jpg

  • Greek writing, vertically parallel to this implement - épxetai yia saz (?), erchetai gia sas (?) (? Greek not really my thing Smile )

  • A horizon line

  • A deers (?) antler

  • A spike of some kind


(if anyone wants this spoilered, just pm me... not sure of the etiquette over this, but I just feel I'm reporting observations at the moment)

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 		At first glance, I thought the diamond was fletching on an arrow. At second glance, I thought it was an arrowhead. It seems to be more attached to the rod than peirced by it. At least, IMHO. The object in the middle is part of a plant, a branch or stem or sutch, with a bud on the end, and a thorn near the base. The bottom object rung a bell in my mind where swords and such are stored, (Sharp pointy object division ^.^) but as I looked at it more, it seemed like a metal spike, with the top cut off, and reattached inverted. Hopefully this will help slightly, or at least is understandable. Coffee Im falling asleep with coffee in my hand.

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InsaneFox wrote:
At least, IMHO. The object in the middle is part of a plant, a branch or stem or sutch.


Yes, I think you're right - just been inspecting the image closely, and its not an antler, definitely some kind of plant stem

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a metal spike,


I'm wondering if that's a mason's chisel, or at least a tool for splitting rocks (a wedge).

I'm a bit uncertain about whether the horizon line forms the boundary for a montage cut - there's certainly some pixel overlap in the right angles created by the lance and the horizon, but not enough for me to be definite about it. Its possible that this entire image (minus the greek text - that is quite definitely a montaged addition) can be found whole... Possibly in a masonic text. [off to google images...]

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 		I've been following along - haven't sent an email in or anything - but as for the greek on the side I've been using http://www.kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon and can't get a translation for the first word - which should convert to : erchetai

The last to words:

gia = for

sas = your

Hope that helps.
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AngBa wrote:


The last to words:

gia = for

sas = your

Hope that helps.


Yes, I think that string is key here. Thanks for the translation - I'd got the transcription into the roman alphabet and was working on the basis that it was possibly an anagram. Best I got out of it so far was "I, cassie hate arg" Shocked

BTW, seems the deaths head is also a masonic emblem, so maybe the SS connection is red herring.

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Best I got out of it so far was "I, cassie hate arg"


For the love.... this had better not be another gamejacker Rolling Eyes
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 		Also, on the bottom object, the tip is broken off of it and laying next to it. Dunno if that means anything.

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Yes I put some films on the Internet that show the kind of harassing material that has plagued me for years. I have no idea why it is happening.

A friend recently digitized (I hope that is the word I am not a technology expert) one of the postcards left by this group or person. I will send it to you in this email. It concerns me because it shows a weapon (I believe) but again I don't really understand the message.

Thank you for your offer of assistance. Although I am not so sure that an Angry Banana is useful at least you are on my side.

--
Dr. Jochen Peiper
Our life is made by the death of others.


Well, my response by the dear Dr. didn't reveal anything other than he has a great sense of humor - Laughing


Also, trying to figure out the first Greek word is starting to grate on my nerves - but I think I'll be fluent by the time I finish trying to translate it!
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 		I found this:

erchetai -- deponent verb; 3rd person singular present middle of <erchomai> come, go -- comes

So....

Erechetai = (He, She, It) Comes

Gia = For

Sas = Your

"He comes for your..."

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 		Good one, Layloken! Well, is there more in the pictures - the Dr. said that he has received more than one - should we ask him to "digitize" the resto of them?
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