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[Shad0]

[UPDATE][PUZZLE]Time enough always proves little enough

[aliendial]

FAME = another YRB advertisement?

Sadly I know my music education is not up to this, but perhaps the shad0 knows - the mp3 is much longer than the sheet music, and the mp3 seems only to track the sheet music partway and then goes off someplace else. And/or perhaps adds an additional piano part that is not on the sheet music? (Or is that Lyn riffing on top of the written material?) And certainly the last few bars of the oboe (and probably much more) are not on the sheet music...

[vidstudent]

My guess is that we need to take that extra junk and get it transcribed - a task I do not look forward to, but one I'm willing to undertake. Once we transcribe it, we can, perhaps, go from there.

Yeah, this might take a week.

*checks himself*

...it's the right length, but the oboe goes on an unwritten solo riff for the last seven bars.

[aliendial]

Are you sure about the length? (Turns out I can count 6/8 tempo, only because it's like 3/4 but different.) So yeah the length is good.

There's certainly a ton of extra piano stuff not on the sheet music, not just the oboe. And I'm only ignoring the bass and cellos because I find their music harder to track, but I think there are additions there too. Or maybe not. I listened again and that actually seems to track pretty closely, at least in the places where I didn't totally lose track of what was going on.

[vidstudent]

After further review (in an effort to transcribe the oboe solo, pictured below), it does appear the piano gets to vamp a bit near the end prior to the oboe solo. It's probably significant, and I'm ignoring it anyway because transcribing that can be hazardous to my health.

As for the solo, it actually only goes four measures, and one of those is the dotted half note at the end. If someone could check my work on this, I'd appreciate it. Also, if people want, I broke down the rest of the music into page-sized fragments - there are eight in all, and I can add measure numbers because I'm nice like that.

[Edited to delete oversized attachments - see Hellion's post, and thank him profusely.]

[Hellion88]

Alright, the images were a tad too large, so I went ahead and resized them.

[aliendial]

Third measure from the end after the C - is that a B or A?

[vidstudent]

That's a B ^b . Our key here is A ^b , which means it's actually not horrible to play on an alto saxophone - not that it's written for one. Our note sounds like Re and not Do - therefore, B ^b .

[Shad0]

Re: key

[aliendial]

Time to advance our music education - how can you tell if it's A flat or F minor? (I'm asking cuz I don't know.) The notes are exactly the same. I read about it in wikipedia but the explanation explained nothing. One of those 'you have to know the answer to understand the answer' things.

[Shad0]

Re: key

[Caspian]

[aliendial]

You guys are the greatest for explaining all that. Must try with piano. (Although I must protest I do know the difference between music in major and minor keys, I just never knew about this overlap thing.)

But otherwise, any ideas on the puzzle, or are we trying to stretch out the puzzly goodness since there won't be any more for a while? I tried an anagram of the oboe solo (ignoring that some of the notes were flats), no dice. (Well, plenty of possibilities but nothing likely looking.)

[vidstudent]

...I've been looking at it, and no good leads so far. Possibilites to note:
[list=][*]We're in 6/8 time. Binary (with the 01 in stuck in front) is a possibility, though binary by which beats are hit by notes doesn't seem to work.
[*]We have fifteen groups of bars. NOTHINGTOHIDE may be a key somehow.
[*]I dunno, maybe it needs to be played backwards to understand the subliminal messages? Joking, joking....[/list]

We aren't getting clues just sitting here, so let's brainstorm, shall we?

...or not....

[vidstudent]

And, while I'm at it, let me reverse-engineer the solve: