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[VanillaFlava]

I do not want to drag out this discussion here, I think we made our position on this very clear. I also realise the futility of me saying we are not part of any game, especially in this forum.

Just some final remarks. This is not about the Manson image. That is just what tipped this over the edge for quite a few people. This is about our reaction to some of our younger members expressing desire to tag along to unconfirmed and unverified clues that weren't even being spread by YT Cassie herself, but by the variety of, in our eyes, obvious 3rd party gamejackers. I resent the 'Protect the Children' reference above as well, because it is missing exactly this crucial point.

As to the remarks concerning the horror genre in general. I have no problems with that. The original LG15 content is also dark, although most of that has been off-screen so far. I think the first cassieiswatching video is very compelling. However, just sticking in Manson and that image for pure shock value, without any connection other than to make a creepy clue is just really lazy and unimaginative writing.

Now, to summarise, Cassie has pretty lacklustre writing, it is badly organised (gamejackers, squatters) and it also does not seem that whoever created it is taking enough care to make sure people know what is going on and make sure they stay safe. That is where we are coming from.

I am also more than a little tired hearing jammer proclaim his belief that we as Moderators at Anchor Cove started and then spread a rumour about threats to a specific person. We never did. The threads are all still there, you can look through them. The point came up there, it came up in IRC, it came up on the other board. I have no idea who mentioned it first.
I immediately dismissed it, btw, in one of those posts. something to that effect is in official statement, because it just added to the things that upset our member base, so it had to be in there.

However, unlike jammer keeps claiming here, and on the other forums, our statement never had a reference to a specific person in any version. The only one who is perpetuating this rumour is himself. And I am getting very tired of the constant slander, that isn't even informed.

I don't want to steal anymore board space with this topic. All points have been made, make of them what you will.

I still hope I can participate here. I am also still interested in your opinion on how things were handled in other experiences you were involved in (see above).

[Conway]

Alissa and Vanilla,

well said. thanks for the posts.

[ScarpeGrosse]

As this discussion has spiralled off topic from the original intent to discuss the potential ARGyness of the LG15/Cassie Saga, I've split this into a separate topic.

I'd like to remind everyone that personal bickering, threats, accusations and other assorted Internet Crap is not beneficial to discussion. Please refrain from attacking each other and turning this into Lord of the Flies. Eating your brother man is not acceptable in today's society (Though maybe now that I've mentioned that, Cassie will eat someone's left bum cheek like in Alive and I can be proud of my suggestion).

Furthermore, if at any point there's a new "topic" to discuss that would detract from a currently going thread, please feel free to start a new topic. The moderators can always merge - it's harder to split

Play nice.

[Sarojin]

Conway: You're welcome. :\

[Phaedra]

Re: kmduke

[kmduke]

Oh board, please forgive me for what I am about to do.

[VanillaFlava]

@kmduke

Yep, hold me to that please.

As to why I would like to participate? Well, could it be ... that depsite a bad experience with the Cassie thing I am getting interested in ARGs in general? I am intrigued by the storytelling and the form in which it is done.

I doubt I will spend much time here on Cassie. But looking at the index, it seems there is plenty of other things to explore

[Sarojin]

kmduke: It isn't Vanilla's forum, it's my forum, and I am here to play non-LG15 related ARGs, not discuss Cassie so...

you have been mooted.

I just don't find it fair for members of this board to insult the intergrity of my board when we have done nothing to the members of this board personally.

People just need to understand that it's my board, I'm a 21 year old girl who had nightmares of Cassie in the 2 hours of sleep I did get last night.

If things like that make me not want those videos discussed at my forum-- end of subject.

Modify: And if anyone has anything to say about that they can feel free to PM me but from now on, I am through with this subject. Have a nice day.

[Phaedra]

[kmduke]

[Esteed]

Well, this has turned into quite a topic. I'll simply ask this: Is the decision to ban the discussion of cassieiswatching on Anchor Cove accepted by the majority of the posters there? If so, everyone needs to STFU because just as we are not responsible for someone else's children, we are also not responsible for decisions made that everyone on Anchor Cove is okay with.

That said, the only people responsible for kids going to do these things are the kids themselves. I'm rather sick of hearing the argument that someone other than a teenager perfectly capable of common sense is responsible for their decisions. When I was a kid, I wanted to do risky things. I wanted to go exploring strange haunted houses, I wanted to go wandering and discovering things, but you know why I didn't? Because Mr. Common Sense came along, kicked me in the pants, and went, "Turn around, go home, play your videogames and don't be stupid." And y'know what? I did.

Now if a fifteen year old can't understand that going alone, at night, to a place where there aren't going to be many people is unwise, there is only one person to blame, and that is the fifteen year old. Is it sad? Sure. Would we feel horrible if something happened? I know I would. But would I blame myself, or anyone else for that matter, for not protecting the fifteen year old from the harmful material? No. The fifteen year old made the choice KNOWING that sort of thing was risky. No one else can be blamed for it.

Do I think it's wise to go searching for these things by yourself? Hell no. I think it's stupid to go to a deaddrop by yourself even in broad daylight. But the choice to do so is ultimately no one else's decision. If I went to a deaddrop by myself and got mugged, that's my fault. That's not the fault of someone that didn't prevent discussion OF the deaddrop point.

[baggage]

What I found interesting is that while 3 messages boards were discussing it, one chose to make a very strong powerful statement denouncing Cassie. Interestingly enough, it was NOT the forum that the Creators post on.

Also the two statements separating themselves from Cassie..one at Anchor Cove and one at LG15 by the Creators are so different.

AC was very serious, was very concerned for the safety of both the people going out there and Jessica Rose. Additionally, they were concerned that the images contained in the video AND the discussion thereof needed to be censored so that innocent kids didn't see it.

But the statement by the Creators was like "Hey..we didn't make it but we like fan fiction. So you can keep talking about it here all you want. Oh! And have fun! Keep watching!"

It was totally a cover your butt thing. Creators have much more to lose here than AC. But they were totally blase about the whole thing.

Which is only more evidence to me that the Creators originally provided information to CIW. And now are backing away. They never deny that they gave them the original locations for the shoots to take place. All they deny is that they aren't the ones making the films and they aren't guiding them. Does not mean that they haven't sanctioned them and/or provided information to assist the film makers.

[Nos]

Re: kmduke

[Esteed]

Ah, I was unaware of that as I'm still attempting to play catch-up to a certain extent. In that case, I can understand completely why the discussion was banned and retract my arguments, as they aren't relevant to the situation at hand.

[redheaddiva]

creepy for me...