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[LOCKED] [META] What is or is not Cassie. AKA Be Wary
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Phaedra
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djsampson wrote:
This LG15/Cassie ARG (If it even is a real ARG) is a lot different than the current ARG I'm involved with. In the Ocular Effect every related page has a terms and conditions at the bottom of this page. LG15/ Cassie has nothing like that. This means that there are no set rules in this enviroment but like I said it is always good to have all of the information being put out there because there is story being told we just don't know who is telling it*


Well, in the Old Days, PMs did keep their identities secret. Even the corporate ones.

That said, the reason you're seeing Terms and Conditions at the bottom of every page for Ocular Effect and not Cassie, I'll warrant, is because Ocular Effect is being done by a large broadcasting corporation (ABC, IIRC) that doesn't want you to sue them if anything goes wrong, whereas the people doing Cassie are probably not professionals and therefore are probably less worried about potential liability.

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*Bizarre punctuation removed to reduce eyestrain and keep my inner reading voice from sounding like it's panting. If you want to take that as rudeness, go ahead. Razz
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That's why I don't like Ocular effect. it's not a ARG, it's only pretending to be one. any ARG that breaks the fantasy is not a ARG.
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Zazaban wrote:
That's why I don't like Ocular effect. it's not a ARG, it's only pretending to be one. any ARG that breaks the fantasy is not a ARG.


So Last Call Poker and Art of the Heist (two games that were fairly open in who their makers were, in the sense that if you WHOISed the page it was registered to GMD in the latter case, or whose makers admitted in press interviews during the game that they were behind it, in both cases, or who openly used known PMs working for the company at live events, in LCP's case) weren't ARGs? (she asked innocently).
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OK, I mean having a disclaimer seems to break the 4th wall....
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Zazaban wrote:
OK, I mean having a disclaimer seems to break the 4th wall....


Yeah, I'm actually with you there. Confused
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Ok so I'm having trouble trying to understand where this forum as a group stands ............... I'm getting mixed messages on how some people feel here .......... Some say that a good ARG blurs the reality lines I am one of those ...... that think a Good story wether a book, a video game, or an ARG should blur reality lines ......... but then I have people dissagree with that ........ when I make a point about about the Ocular Effect ............ then some say that the terms and conditions breaks the reality lines .............. so wich is it ........ and its not like it matters because when I check this post later ........ someone will post a dissagreement about each and everything I post ........... which leads me to my next point


What I really dont understand about this thread (not including threads I have not been apart of) I have been gaming RPG's, ARG's, MMORPG's, live action RPG's, trailheads you name it for a long time now ............. And I reallly do not understand the lack of comunity, frendship, partnership, or just plain ARG family as a new comer to this forum ........... and mabe its just one or two people doing this post war against my comments ...... I dought it is the whole forum ....... Or mabe I was just spoiled ....... On most other forums because I was one of the original posters of the ARG's I've been involved in ....... I would like to meet a lot of new people on this forum and put my mind together with you guys to help..... but I cant do so when I am always on the defensive

I came here to actually discuse new ARG'S because it is the future of entertainment .............. Not to have post wars with theaders with a chip on there sholder .............. so mabe I got off on the wrong foot here but can we please stop posting about irrelivent stuff and post information on the subject at hand ................. there are alot of good ARG's out there we cant be that bored .........

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djsampson wrote:
Ok so I'm having trouble trying to understand where this forum as a group stands ............... I'm getting mixed messages on how some people feel here .......... Some say that a good ARG blurs the reality lines I am one of those ......

This forum, as a group, stands as individuals. You may notice the membership lists contains more than 10,000 people. If you expect them all to agree on one view, I suggest you look at the politics, religion and wars of this world for a little more perspective on the æsthetics of large groups.

djsampson wrote:
What I really dont understand about this thread (not including threads I have not been apart of) I have been gaming RPG's, ARG's, MMORPG's, live action RPG's, trailheads you name it for a long time now ............. And I reallly do not understand the lack of comunity, frendship, partnership, or just plain ARG family as a new comer to this forum ........... and mabe its just one or two people doing this post war against my comments ......
This is far from a "war". The content of your posts have been responded to by several people, in a well written fashion, which is more than can be said for your last two posts. You seem to be disagreeing with people disagreeing with you, I'm afraid that's not going to stop, people can express their opinions.

going back to what seems to be the root of the problem:
djsampson wrote:
Not knowing what is real and what is not makes for a really great ARG ....... and remember there are Three underlying rules to ARG's

1. Reality is what you make of it !!!!!!!!!

2. Its what you make of reality !!!!!!!!!

3. There are no such thing as a coinincedence !!!!!!!!



* these are the rules for creating a good ARG*
You said that with such exclaimation, but I fail to see how it is true. There is a whole section for this type of discussion, and in my time reading I've never seen such a definition. I think if you could elaborate a little more on why you think this is the case, people might be a bit more positive to you.

At the moment you've signed up to the forums and stated "rules" for an ARG. People have been polite and instead of telling you you're wrong, which you pretty much are, have argued counter points.

Perhaps you could try citing evidence from other people/sources; maybe a paper from Jane McGongial, an article from Sean Stewart, or even the wikipedia entry on ARGs

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My origanal post on this thread was nothing but my opinion ............ I was just jesting because I ask for the MS Cassie page and who ever it was that gave to me (thanks by the way greatly appreaciated) but they stated "even though it was fake" I didnt care that it was fake or not ......I just stated a simple post based on my oppinion........... just an icebreaker .......... which deffenitly broke the ice because my coment has been all you guys have talked about over the last 2 thread pages ........... So now that the ice has been broken obviously from what the few of you here in this thread have shown me that there is know room in here for just plain old self exppresion or oppinion or whatever .................

I mean you no disrespect .......... I didnt mean any disrespect to anyone ........... but I think some of you do need to work on you hospitality to new comers to your form or at least have a little more room for new comers to mess up. If I knew that my post was going to cause some much trouble in here I would not have posted it.


P.S. to anyone who took my original post for anything more than what it was. I am sorry I obviously was clear enough in my intentions.


If you would like me to elaberate :

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Not knowing what is real and what is not makes for a really great ARG ....... and remember there are Three underlying rules to ARG's(my opinion on what makes a good story line)

1. Reality is what you make of it !!!!!!!!! (my quote in every one of the ARG's I am currently playing)

2. Its what you make of reality !!!!!!!!! (my quote with the words moved around )

3. There are no such thing as a coinincedence !!!!!!!! (from my own experiance in gaming there an no such things as in game coinincedence)



* these are the rules for creating a good ARG*(in my opinion)


Once again I am sorry for the missconception that I may have caused ....
I will end this back in forth posting now ........ because it is taking way off of the subject at hand

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*sigh*

Again, the fact that someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them rude or mean or anything else. It just means they disagree and are saying so.

Even the "experts," the people that have been around since the dawn of the genre, get disagreed with. As colin said, before you go instructing us as to the "rules" for creating a good ARG, I'd suggest you look into what's already been said on the subject.

Not all of us feel that "blurring the line" is a good idea; in fact, having something be "too real" may actually prevent people from getting involved. I'm not going to go into detail as to why in this thread, because it's already far enough off topic, but I've explained why here, and here, for starters (and if you browse around in those threads, you'll find lots of good thoughts from other people.

So welcome to the real world, in which people may disagree with you. And may often have good reasons for doing so.

Now, seeing as this has gone way off topic, I'm locking it. If you have more thoughts you'd like to share, please feel free to do so in the Meta forum.
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