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[LOCKED] [META] What is or is not Cassie. AKA Be Wary
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[LOCKED][META] What is or is not Cassie. AKA Be Wary

Since I seem to be one of the very few who are intrigued by the AV trailhead, I hope showing continuing interest in cassie won't permanently brand me as some kind of ghoul Smile

Speculation about LG15's connections with cassieiswatching are only relevant to the extent that the crew so far have proved themselves to be running to keep up. They have left all sorts of holes to be exploited by opportunists, domain name squatters etc. That they should bottle out from their avowed claim that fan interaction will be welcome is well within character.

What intrigues me now is why cassieiswatching should lead us to such a dead end clue, having gone to such obvious trouble so far. It seems too inept, even for this crew.

The soundfile: I've reversed it, slowed it down, filtered it and I can see nothing to be gained in this direction that isn't entirely subjective. I haven't got the software at the moment, to do any spectral analysis on the sound file. I can do this later, not that I expect to find anything, but it could be possible to hide an image or some text in the frequency spectrum of the sound (there is a lot of 'noise' on the recording that isn't just due to the fact it was recorded over a telephone line)

Other than this, well she is a ghost, or maybe a stalker, and both are characters with a tendency to taunt the rest of us. Maybe she's just playing around before she gets really serious.

EDIT: Added "locked" tag. --Phaedra

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So I am new to this forum as far as posts go ...... dont have to much time to post ...... I'm caught up in like 3 ARG's ...... but I really like the way this is going ..... Now lets take a second to look back at what we have learned so far

1. LG15 starts posting on YouTube

2. everyone gets lost in the world of Bree

3. we start seeing ODD things in the videos things that regular people were not seeing ...... (do you think your average nobody knows what Alester Crawly looks like) ........

4. Someone sets up a sting to expose Lg15 .... (even though all of the information was out there about it beeing fake ........ we just didnt know were to look for it ....... or that we were supost to look for it ......If they really wanted to hide the fact that is was fake they did a horrible job doing so)

5. LG15's purple monkey and Owen both do posts about Lg15 and it being fake or not (perplexing to say the least ........ or is it ??????)

6. Just a few days after LG15 was exposed she had interviews from everthing from Leno to newspapers and the News ( does that not seem ODD to anyone else ........ that what takes weeks in preperation to set up something with a talk show host was done in a few days ????? )

7. So its official LG15 is Fake right ........... (hum, in then interviews with the creaters they talked about creating something NEW ........ A new form of entertainmet that blurs the reality lines ........... my interpretation you wont know the difference between what is real and what is not )

8. now we have Cassie ........... (what can I say about this one that hasnt already been said .......... how could they know the sites ......... how was this put together so fast with such quality workmanship ......... and better yet why in the h*** would anyone waist so much time on creating an alternate story line if it were going to contradict the original ....... what would they get out of it ...... 35 pages of a buch of hard core ARG'ers trying to figure out a highly interesting story line ........... No there is a big picture here )

* the big picture the hole thig was ment to throw us of for a long time Arg'er like myself this is the Mother of Arg's ......... most long time ARG'ers would agree if they had the resources they would do something just like this ........ Now lets stop and put this all together .......... A couple of guys strait out of film school with some major money backer wants to tell a scary story .......... whats more scary to you sitting back and watching a chezzy scarry movie , or going to a urben legend haunted house .......
going to a haunted house right ........ why because your involved and there are things happening all around you .......... It is so much like what is happening right now the plot has changed and flipped and flopped and there are so many open ends that are imagenation alone is driving the story .......... so how better to blur the lines of reality then to think its real then be told its not ......... then told its real then told its not ....... then be exposed and go public just befor Cassie comes into the picture ....... Now it turns dark ........ after we have already been on the rollercoaster we think were clear then BAM another plot twist ........... Now because were all confused in the first place now we have a reall time ARG going on ....... that the creaters say they know nothing about ........... Right ....... this will only fuel the already raging fire of LG15 .......... and of all times right after she goes on a publisity tour .......... I dont think this is all a big coinensodence this seems to be way to perfictly plotted out (like I said as A ARG'er myself I wish I would have thought this up) because it is a masterpiece ............. and if it all turns out that this hole Cassie this is a farse then the creaters of LG15 stumbled and by that I mean fell face first into the Best maketing and ARG that I have ever seen this goes right up there with ILB ............ like I said if this isnt the case the those guys created the coolest thing i have seen ........... just by being sloppy and not covering there tracts ........ but I Highly dought that is the case


Sorry post was so long but insted of posting 30 short post I post 1 big one .......... see you again on thread 70

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Re: cassie & bree

hollabackmonkey wrote:
You know, I've just got to say that I'll be really disappointed if they go the "Cassie IS Bree" (imaginary friend/split personality) route. Because that seems so cheap and easy to me. That's the kind of thing I'd expect on a cheesey soap opera, you know?

I'm really hoping that the story has a more interesting arc than that....[/b]


I doubt it the original casting slated to female characters to be in the story. So maybe that was sopposed to be cassie. Also Im pretty sure the creator have knowledge of the whole cassie is watching. Its just that when they added the manson photo it got noticed more then they thought so they issued the "We have no relation it's fanfiction" They didnt want to tarnish the Bree image which form the begin was probably for a much younger audience.

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Re: cassie & bree

Jeet_DM wrote:
They didnt want to tarnish the Bree image which form the begin was probably for a much younger audience.


That's what I reckon. They'll probably keep denying it until some concrete link is provided, or perhaps Lonelygirl is a kids show type thing and Cassie is a more adult-oriented affair. It'd make sense, gather a wider audience with two different-yet-slightly-related projects.
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Let me just quickly comment on some of the discussion here.

Conway wrote:
this is possible but really but of a long fetch than the idea of they are loosely connected and now with it gettng out of hand they dont want to hurt what they have going for them...because its true their on thin ice right now but can recover after the Jessica Rose reveal...plus it was just getting dangerous with kids wanting to run out to vague clues.


This is what motivated us to finally stop the discussion on our board, and also sought to inject some more responsibilty into a situation we perceived as spinning out of control. Might just be that Cassieiswatching is legit, but their conduct is not letting us believe they are building this experience, whatever it might be, with the care it requires to ensure everybody's safety and enjoyment.

Consider, the additional hijackers, the domain squatting, and all the holes and angles left open for 3rd parties to take advantage of a group of people that are fairly young and not used to ARGs, and therefore not taking proper precautions for their safety. We simply did not want to be responsible for people getting hurt by whomever.

I am through speculating just who is involved with whom. The Creators of LG15 said several times that they invite fan material to be created, and that sounds exciting to all of us interested in that story. The question to be solved is one of moderation and quality. That is their task to solve, so taking control of this situation is only in their interest.

Regarding the Cassie discussion at Anchor Cove, we have only banned cassieiswatching et. al. The Cassie in the LG15 videos is still available for discussion. The allusion that Cassie is an imaginary friend of Bree came up quite some time ago. I personally also don't think this would be a very original direction, along with the inevitable split-personality schtick.

Since the LG15 crew said that they will adapt their story to the reaction from the audience, I guess it will be exciting to see just what will happen next.

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Esteed wrote:
They'll probably keep denying it until some concrete link is provided, or perhaps Lonelygirl is a kids show type thing and Cassie is a more adult-oriented affair. It'd make sense, gather a wider audience with two different-yet-slightly-related projects.


Yes, that was also my initial impression. Akin to what Chris Carter did with the X-Files and Millienium. I did like that approach actually. If it were true, the quality control on their Millenium was more than little bit off, however.

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baggage wrote:
Well, I still totally believe the Creators had knowledge of this and supported it. No one could have found that park without help.

They are backing away now, but still not denying that they helped originally. Too dangerous for them to deny anything...they already got busted once.


I think that's the case, the Manson imagery and the uproar it caused made everyone at creator central squeamish and they had to cover their backsides so to speak.

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VanillaFlava:


Thank you so much for coming to the board and posting that. It clears up alot of things in my head. I was hoping the decision to stop all of the discussion of the YTCassie on your board wasn't just a knee-jerk over-reaction, and I am glad that I was right.

It's some pretty murky water we are treading here, and you're right; kids who don't know what they are about don't need to think they are safe going out into the woods by themselves. All the hijack attempts makes it even more dangerous for them, as no one is really sure where any of it is going.

I do kinda wish they would just come out and say "This is our kids show, and this is our adults show..." because then we would know it was worth our time, and that it was going somewhere. As of now? No freakin' clue.

Guess we'll see.

But thanks again.
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Nos:

Thanks for your kind reply. We knew we would ripple the waters, and it was a precarious situation. After all, the people at Anchor Cove have been the hardcore fans of LG15 from the very beginning. As such, we did not want to initiate something which would hurt the team behind it.

At the same time, we felt if no statements were being made, and if things were allowed to become even less decipherable than it was inevitable until someone would do something stupid.

At the same time if this was an X-File/Millenium kind of setup, it certainly wasn't executed with enough care. If that meant that we forced somebody's hand in this matter, we still feel justified, as we have at least provided a prompt for more responsible beahviour.

Initially we did not want to ban the discussion altogether, just impose more moderation, but Alissa, out Admin took a judgement call after some more questionable things were being posted. We all stand by that.

It was great discovering your community in the process, however. While many of us had a fleeting familiarity with ARGs, nobody was really involved. So far, I am really impressed with what I see and the discussions I have had.

One question though, is this kind of chaos and hijacking normal for any of the experiences you guys have been involved in?

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*clears throat as he steps onto the soapbox*

Granted this is coming from an, well, older player, I must say I do not understand all the controversy over the Manson photo.

I can hear the cries of respect, and I can totally understand people being upset on a respect level, but that's not the loudest cry, the loudest are how morbid. Have you people been watching t.v., seen a horror movie or played a horror genre video/computer game? Have you? That photo is the least morbid thing I have seen used in horror/satanic flavored media since the days of Scooby Doo, and I'm talking cartoon people, the originals, not the films.

And now the cries of safety? Were not going to discuss this out of safety for the children? Won't somebody please think of the children? (thanks to colin for that link) Isn't it, I believe, the parents responsibility to monitor their children? I for one am sick of living in a world that continues to water down everything for the sake of the children.

Now was the use of the Manson image a bad choice? Probably.
Is it going to corrupt our very souls and cause children to run off and kill their classmates in the name of Satan, Dark Ruler of the Underworld? I doubt it.
And if people are concerned about "kids" running off to public parks, in Beverly Hills no less, have we not crossed a "This is just silly" line, about 4 miles back?

*steps off soapbox*

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VanillaFlava,

if your are going to quote me could you make sure to correct my typing errors as to not give people a second chance to figure out my horrible excuse for exisiting? thanks Wink

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kmduke wrote:
...I must say I do not understand all the controversy over the Manson photo.

I can hear the cries of respect, and I can totally understand people being upset on a respect level, but that's not the loudest cry, the loudest are how morbid. Have you people been watching t.v., seen a horror movie or played a horror genre video/computer game? Have you? That photo is the least morbid thing I have seen used in horror/satanic flavored media since the days of Scooby Doo, and I'm talking cartoon people, the originals, not the films....

Now was the use of the Manson image a bad choice? Probably.

Is it going to corrupt our very souls and cause children to run off and kill their classmates in the name of Satan, Dark Ruler of the Underworld? I doubt it.

And if people are concerned about "kids" running off to public parks, in Beverly Hills no less, have we not crossed a "This is just silly" line, about 4 miles back?


The reaction at Anchor Cove was so ridiculously hysterical that I'm convinced it may be part of the game. The creators had THREE message boards going nuts over Cassie, so they could afford to lose one if there was an advantage in it. So why not have one of them go all Simpson's-level hysterical to make it seem like Cassie was even more dangerous? Horror movie promoters have claimed that people fainted or even had heart attacks while viewing. I fell for that stuff when I was a kid.

I just don't understand why the Anchor Cove forum people invented a threat against a real person involved with LG15 and put that invention in their highly theatrical statement yesterday. (I don't even want to repeat the person's name, as it's just ridiculously irresponsible speculation on the part of those who created it.) I've looked into this, and that threat ORIGINATED with the Anchor Cove statement.

The completely murked-up Manson photo that you can't even see in the original Cassie video was not really that tasteless. (It may as well have been a text reference for all that you can actually see in it.) But the Anchor Cove board people suddenly dragging a REAL person's name into this and claiming there was some kind of a real-life murder threat certainly was tasteless.

That insensitive action by Anchor Cove is the only thing that contradicts the theory that their hysterical move yesterday was in-game. If I were the person named, I would be pretty angry about what they did if they didn't have permission to use me that way. And if that person DID give permission, it was probably a dumb thing to do.

EDIT: About that Manson photo. It's REALLY not visible in the original Cassie video. To figure out what it is, here are the steps that had to happen:

1. View original video. Can't see it at all.

2. Get lucky and freeze the frame. You can see something, but you can't tell what it is.

3. Put the frame in an image editing program. Reverse the colors. Unlike the other freeze frames, you STILL can't tell what this is. It's been messed-up too much.

4. Pass around the images. Some true-crime expert vaguely recognizes the composition. He does some research and realizes it matches a Manson crime-scene photo. He links to the photo.

This is actually how things proceeded yesterday. And the hysteria about the "tastelessness" of the photo didn't really take off until people started seeding it with posts written in giant capital letters (THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!).

Hmmm......

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kmduke wrote:
Now was the use of the Manson image a bad choice? Probably.
Is it going to corrupt our very souls and cause children to run off and kill their classmates in the name of Satan, Dark Ruler of the Underworld? I doubt it.


Amen to that. Plus, I still don't buy that cassieiswatching is fanfiction. I don't care what the creators say, until they can put somebody up on a podium to speak into a microphone and say, "I'm the one that made cassieiswatching," I'm not going to believe a word of denial. As far as I'm concerned, this is a spin-off of LG15 just like Angel was a spin-off of Buffy. Just like Angel was a more mature show than Buffy, cassieiswatching is a more mature project than LG15. I'll be operating on that principle regardless of the creators denying it or anything else they decide to say on the matter until the aforementioned proof can be presented.
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jammer wrote:
kmduke wrote:
...I must say I do not understand all the controversy over the Manson photo.

I can hear the cries of respect, and I can totally understand people being upset on a respect level, but that's not the loudest cry, the loudest are how morbid. Have you people been watching t.v., seen a horror movie or played a horror genre video/computer game? Have you? That photo is the least morbid thing I have seen used in horror/satanic flavored media since the days of Scooby Doo, and I'm talking cartoon people, the originals, not the films....

Now was the use of the Manson image a bad choice? Probably.

Is it going to corrupt our very souls and cause children to run off and kill their classmates in the name of Satan, Dark Ruler of the Underworld? I doubt it.

And if people are concerned about "kids" running off to public parks, in Beverly Hills no less, have we not crossed a "This is just silly" line, about 4 miles back?


The reaction at Anchor Cove was so ridiculously hysterical that I'm convinced it may be part of the game. The creators had THREE message boards going nuts over Cassie, so they could afford to lose one if there was an advantage in it. So why not have one of them go all Simpson's-level hysterical to make it seem like Cassie was even more dangerous? Horror movie promoters have claimed that people fainted or even had heart attacks while viewing. I fell for that stuff when I was a kid.

I just don't understand why the Anchor Cove forum people invented a threat against a real person involved with LG15 and put that invention in their highly theatrical statement yesterday. (I don't even want to repeat the person's name, as it's just ridiculously irresponsible speculation on the part of those who created it.) I've looked into this, and that threat ORIGINATED with the Anchor Cove statement.

The completely murked-up Manson photo that you can't even see in the original Cassie video was not really that tasteless. (It may as well have been a text reference for all that you can actually see in it.) But the Anchor Cove board people suddenly dragging a REAL person's name into this and claiming there was some kind of a real-life murder threat certainly was tasteless.

That insensitive action by Anchor Cove is the only thing that contradicts the theory that their hysterical move yesterday was in-game. If I were the person named, I would be pretty angry about what they did if they didn't have permission to use me that way. And if that person DID give permission, it was probably a dumb thing to do.

EDIT: About that Manson photo. It's REALLY not visible in the original Cassie video. To figure out what it is, here are the steps that had to happen:

1. View original video. Can't see it at all.

2. Get lucky and freeze the frame. You can see something, but you can't tell what it is.

3. Put the frame in an image editing program. Reverse the colors. Unlike the other freeze frames, you STILL can't tell what this is. It's been messed-up too much.

4. Pass around the images. Some true-crime expert vaguely recognizes the composition. He does some research and realizes it matches a Manson crime-scene photo. He links to the photo.

This is actually how things proceeded yesterday. And the hysteria about the "tastelessness" of the photo didn't really take off until people started seeding it with posts written in giant capital letters (THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!).

Hmmm......


your right..I watched the whole thing unfold yesterday as well. there was equal freak out on the fear side and lets go get clues side ... I agree with those that say people are being silly with fear but Ill also say that it really was getting out of hand last night ans some of the moderators in the boards were leading the hysteria...certain people brought it too a head but I still think it was a good call and that is wasnt part of the game...kids really were just a couple of steps away from doing really dumb things.

and just in case people dont know...LG15 has a new vid.

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kmduke

I had been lurking until now for the initial purpose of seeing the results of the dead drop or whatever you ARG folk call it. kmduke's has prompted me to post, as I am in complete agreement with him. I think that some of you are missing the big picture here and your opinions becoming somewhat misguided. Seriously, think about it. All of this controversy over a Manson murder photo? I don't feel like debating point to point with any of you regarding the decadence of society, that should be obvious. But really, why make a big deal over a spliced image of a murder scene in a video for the sake of "kids" when any "kid" with rudimentary knowledge of the internet can perform a Google Image Search of Sharon Tate and see the exact same photograph, or go to ANY R-rated movie or play any mature rated game and see far worse violence? It is NOBODY'S responsibility other than the parents of any child to determine what that child views and is exposed to.

Also, where the hell was it EVER mentioned or even obvious that the Lonelygirl15 saga was a "kid's" show, anyway? Did I miss that, or are some of you being a little too assumptuous? A "kid" would see this saga as a girl on a webcam talking about her boyfriend and the show itself would probably be extremely surface-oriented, like some sort of teenage drama film. This saga, I gather (and was said by "the Creators"), is a mystery story with hidden clues/cliffhangers designed for ANY audience and is open to ANYONE to try and guess what will happen next/discuss what has already been shown. People should see this for what it is, and stop the nitpicking/splitting hairs and just enjoy it. The LG15 saga, I think, is NOT at all or was ever part of the cassieiswatching sub-plot. In all likelihood it was created by somebody following this saga very, very closely. They have the know-how, equipment, and benefit of location in order to create an interesting diversion and simultaneously make a name for themselves in the process--who would turn that down? Stop the conspiracy theories, and either follow one storyline or the other, or both as I'm doing. The Creators latched onto the sub-plot and even created a sub-forum about it because it was interesting, very well-made fan material and now disregard it because of the controversy/likelihood of compromising their own storyline.

As for people getting hurt, I know nothing of the ARG scene and am unsure if this has happened in the past, but um...guys you should really think about this. The main thought here is that the user behind cassieiswatching could be out to harm people out looking for clues in this sub-plot. I ask you all to think about the absurdity of what you're saying here. First of all, let's not forget the obvious. The user cassieiswatching on YouTube has a logged IP address on that site, and I don't imagine ANYBODY getting hurt by that user because it would be ridiculously easy to get caught. Also, stop stating the obvious--you're not benefitting anybody. "Don't go alone to a park to look for these clues at night." Well gee, thanks for the third grade safety tips but uh, I doubt that anybody here actually needs them.

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EXCUSE ME. I would just like to say that I OWN Anchor-Cove. I am Alissa/Riana Giammarco, you can find me all over the net. I live in Rhode Island.

I have nothing to do with this whole "ARG" whatever the crap Cassie is. People at my forum have their own minds and their own thoughts and opinions, so let's not attribute the thoughts of one moderator to the whole Forum, unless we say it is something we have all discussed.

I stopped Cassie chat at my forum because there were posts being written that disturbed ME and as it is MY forum ultimately *I* decide what goes there and what doesn't.

Thanks. Neutral

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