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[SPEC][UPDATE] Major Jake Maine and Special Project 487
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Help me with the science here please. What sort of thing would be "drowned" by EM waves?
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I suppose in the literal sense it could be he finds it hard to breathe when he's "fuzzy"? Also, as you can be bathed in radiation (e.g. EM) then could go as far as saying you could drown in too much of it.
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*lightbulb*

We are thinking that Major Maine is now an EM-based lifeform yes?

What if . . . he was the controller of the Cube?

Also, perhaps we could find someone (Von, maybe? Or perhaps one of the cabal?) who could go to Hobb's Island and, I dunno, build some kind of MacGuffin from the various bits of equipment that would allow us to talk directly with Major Maine!

Just a thought . . .
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Some snippets from #syzygy / PM:

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[9/29/2006 1:24 PM] <Book> I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts so fat Smile
[9/29/2006 1:25 PM] <Book> far*
[9/29/2006 1:25 PM] <Book> Gr.
[9/29/2006 1:25 PM] <xnera> I posted some spec on thread, but not specifically on why the EM waves are affecting Jake.
[9/29/2006 1:25 PM] <Book> What do you think about the latter ?
[9/29/2006 1:26 PM] <xnera> I don't have many thoughts so far, but one thing I know is that magnets may have an effect on the body. here in the US, there's been a fad of people wearing magnets for medicinal reasons
[9/29/2006 1:26 PM] <Book> -listens-
[9/29/2006 1:26 PM] <xnera> Also, the body may have a magnetic field of its own (i think this has actually been proved)... I've known people who demagnetize credit cards and mess up their computers just by being near them
[9/29/2006 1:27 PM] <xnera> for instance, there was a guy I worked with who had to have his entire computer reloaded every six months, because the OS would degrade. He also went through at least three computers in the four years I worked with him
[9/29/2006 1:28 PM] <xnera> So, it's possible that the experiments they were doing increased the body's magnetic field, and thus the EM waves would have an effect because they'd be interacting with the body's field
[9/29/2006 1:29 PM] <Book> Hmm
[9/29/2006 1:37 PM] <Book> Thanks for sharing Smile
[9/29/2006 1:37 PM] <xnera> Smile
[9/29/2006 1:37 PM] <Book> I'd agree, but how would you link it with the "fuzziness" ?
[9/29/2006 1:38 PM] <Book> (it does work for all the other manifestations of Jake's presence though)
[9/29/2006 1:38 PM] <xnera> that seems to be some sort of phasing effect, to borrow a Star Trek term. probably has to do with light, as cassandra said. I'm not sure how it would work, though
[9/29/2006 1:39 PM] <Book> -nods
[9/29/2006 1:39 PM] <Book> All in all very interesting regarding the Cube's properties :p
[9/29/2006 1:39 PM] <xnera> yes Smile
[9/29/2006 2:05 PM] <xnera> mind if i copy & paste this stuff into the Major Maine thread on uF?
[9/29/2006 2:09 PM] <Book> Oh, that would be very kind ! But only if it doesn't eat too much of your time.
[9/29/2006 2:10 PM] <xnera> Not a hassle Smile I just like to get permission before I copy & paste PMs


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[9/29/2006 1:11 PM] <rose> so, I know that I don't understand EM waves at all Smile
[9/29/2006 1:12 PM] <brat> I...might
[9/29/2006 1:12 PM] <rose> if you can explain the Major Jake Maine phenomena to me I would appreciate it.
[9/29/2006 1:14 PM] <rose> yeah - why do the EM waves effect him so strongly
[9/29/2006 1:17 PM] <rose> well sometimes he is normal and sometimes he isn't.. at least before Scarlett shot him.
[9/29/2006 1:22 PM] <xnera> hey rose Smile
[9/29/2006 1:23 PM] <xnera> i'll think about the EM stuff and see if I can come up with any explanations as to why they were affecting Jake
[9/29/2006 1:24 PM] <Book> xnera : may I PM ?
[9/29/2006 1:24 PM] <xnera> anytime, book Smile
[9/29/2006 1:25 PM] <rose> so somehow Major Maine gets transformed into some kind of energy? and the EM waves effect that energy..
[9/29/2006 1:27 PM] <AxysDenyed> It could be that he was shifted slightly out of phase with our reality
[9/29/2006 1:27 PM] <AxysDenyed> Or, rather, PxC's reality
[9/29/2006 1:29 PM] <rose> and the EM makes it harder for him to stay in phase in PxC?
[9/29/2006 1:29 PM] <xnera> it does seem that there was a phasing effect going on
[9/29/2006 1:29 PM] <xnb> well, it certainly interacts with him in a way that's very different from how it affets those of us whose matter is still in stock condition
[9/29/2006 1:30 PM] <rose> too bad Scarlett shot him
[9/29/2006 1:31 PM] <skenmy> o_O You hardly epxected her to chat nicely with him after he broke her sisters' watch, right?
[9/29/2006 1:31 PM] <_SilentlyBroken> :O
[9/29/2006 1:31 PM] <_SilentlyBroken> OH NOES
[9/29/2006 1:31 PM] <_SilentlyBroken> he broke a watch?
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <_SilentlyBroken> how diabolical!
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <_SilentlyBroken> ¬.¬
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <cassandra> and an arm, incidentally
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <rose> well he broke her arm to break the watch.
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <_SilentlyBroken> ah, well, I can understand that bit
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] * _SilentlyBroken hasn't bothered to keep up to date
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <skenmy> forget the arm
[9/29/2006 1:32 PM] <skenmy> HE BROKER HER WATCH
[9/29/2006 1:35 PM] <xnera> I specced to Book in PM that the EM wave stuff might be about magnets, not energy. Yes, EM radiation has an energy component, but it also has a magnetic one.
[9/29/2006 1:35 PM] <xnera> See Scarlett's EM magnet that she used on the door
[9/29/2006 1:36 PM] <cassandra> EM is also just light
[9/29/2006 1:36 PM] <xnera> the human body actually has a very weak magnetic field. if the experiments they were doing somehow increased that magnetic field, then it would make sense that the EM waves were affecting Jake
[9/29/2006 1:37 PM] <xnera> that too, cassandra
[9/29/2006 1:37 PM] <xnera> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_waves
[9/29/2006 1:38 PM] <rose> maybe Kurt will explain his view on this whole adventure to us. Of the four of them he seems the most likely to have a good grip on what was going on.
[9/29/2006 1:39 PM] <xnera> yeah
[9/29/2006 1:39 PM] <rose> although if it is an army unit, does that mean Garnet is involved?
[9/29/2006 1:39 PM] <xnera> oooo. i hadn't thought about that
[9/29/2006 1:40 PM] <rose> is he the only army person we have a connection with?
[9/29/2006 1:41 PM] <cassandra> that we know about or have access to?
[9/29/2006 1:41 PM] <rose> access to.
[9/29/2006 1:42 PM] <cassandra> direct access to, I believe so. Though I don't know Patrick Azadian's background
[9/29/2006 1:43 PM] <cassandra> Scarlett can contact ex-Major Henry Castille, probably
[9/29/2006 1:43 PM] <rose> I wonder if it is worth asking him about Project 487
[9/29/2006 1:46 PM] <cassandra> or Claire
[9/29/2006 1:47 PM] <cassandra> though her probably more for how they used the cube material to destroy
[9/29/2006 1:48 PM] <cassandra> I've asked in the past for Violet and Kurt to talk to Sarah C and Jason M about their military history interest...maybe I'll try again
[9/29/2006 1:50 PM] <rose> I'm not sure what to do next other than wait.


More spec for you to chew on. Smile
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Crane wrote:
Talk sense. Combed Thunderclap could not possibly be a Shadow Man like Jake. If they were, when they appeared in the middle of a busy city, there would have been mass panic and lots of newspaper articles.

Yeah, good point, well presented - I'll take it on board and incorporate it in my plan.

CT may not be fuzzy, but it doesn't mean there are no other residual EM effects.
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Fair point. I'm just saying that since TINAG, CT can't look too abnormal, or he'd have been Noticed.
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[WARNING: Stating-the-obvious post ]

Is there any way we can get one of our esteemed collegues to check the military records, somehow? It might help solve the "Is this now, or 300 years ago?" issue if we found a 'Thorpe', 'Jackson', 'Choi', 'Stephens' and importantly 'Major Jake Maine' missing-in-action (is that the correct term?!)?? Or even if they weren't registered as missing, but their names were there on the list... they do have lists, don't they? Like a roll-call, or something, so they know who's died, and things.....? I'll email. Garnet would probably be useful if he wasn't so EEEVIL - as it is, I don't think I'll ask him. Kurt and Vi it is, then!


Of course, if they are associated with Viendenbourg, all traces of their identities have probably been completely erased... which is ironic really, considering their untimely ends... oh well, it's worth a try I guess *hoping Kurt can work some computer hacking magic...*
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is he 300 years old or he is not so old
check the uniform?

Arguments: in favor of Maine being 300 years old - he shows up at the Hobbes Island lab where research was conducted 300 years ago, he mentions the "dead place" - which I think mean Anjsbourg - and then peace -which makes it sound as if he might have been around when the war was happening; might not understand key technology so can't turn it off without smashing it.

in favor of him being from the more recent past - the references to Viendenburg and Anjsbourg could be new.? what else?

here is an easy question: can't one of the crew tell us if his uniform is old or new? I know that the jumpsuit is a comparatively modern uniform for US pilots - but I don't know how that translates to military gear in PPC. We do know that they had planes back during the war.

My spec: he is from 300 years ago and special project 487 has something to do with either recreating what they did or finding the people who have been lost all that time....

But this is not based on anything more substantial than my whimsical belief that Sente is not up to evil and that he wouldn't endanger his children. I don't have any facts to back it up.
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Maine said "the 487th" and Violet immediately jumped on the number because it matches Special Project 487. However, I think Maine was talking about a division, not the project itself. He talks about people we assume were comrades of his, and says "No here, away, there, the 487th." The 487th sounds like a classification, like how EZ Company was the 101st Airborne here in the States. My father was USMC and they would always talk about the place a division bunked as if it were the division itself: "The 31st is on C Street," etc.

To me, this means that the 487th division or whatever it's called in PxC was involved in studying the Cube. I think it's possible they were involved in the original operation 300 years ago (military personel in war time = sense) OR it could have been more recent. I don't think it's part of the current operation, if only because I agree with Rose that I don't think Sente would put his daughters in danger.

My spec for the evening is that the 487th was involved in the original experiment, and that 3P picked up on that and named their project 487. (If some sort of time travel may be involved, it's possible that CT came to Earth an buried the Cube at a time other than now. As in, perhaps it hasn't happened yet?)

Anyway, my point is this: if we're having someone try to track down just who Jake Maine was, I would look for the 487th division first. The existence of such a division might prove to place the major more effectively than searching for a name on a roster.

::edit:: emailed Kurt about a 487th division, we'll see if he responds::

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I've been thinking about what connection Garnet might have to whats going on. We know that he has military connections and that the military was involved at Lancewood and is currently involved at Viendenbourg.

Way back in the Salklogs (June 16th 05, 5.46pm) we're told that someone matching Garnet's description was keeping an eye on Monica Grand. (See http://perplexcitywiki.com/wiki/Salklogs#The_Minder)

We know from Kurt (tpolt Sept. 8th) that Garnet has taken control of the data link, and that he's keeping an increasingly tight watch on the CRT's activities.

I'm not sure what all this is leading up to, but it seems that his name has been appearing a lot recently and I can't help thinking this is more than just coincidence.

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While a lot of things would make more sense logically if Maine had been transported there recently (i.e. if he's been there for 300 years what does he do about food?) but what makes me think that he must have been there for a long time is how there was supposedly a ghost there terrorizing anyone that went to the island. I know Violet does not buy this theory:

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While I don't want to rule anything out at this stage, it doesn't seem likely to me that he was a 300-year-old ghost who happened to clothe himself in military clothing made of advanced modern polymers. We think that whatever happened to him happened recently.


But it sure seems to me that a fuzzy shrieking man would seem like a ghost to most people.

Another theory could be if the teleportation exists not only through space, but through time, and part of him is spread out through several years.

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Just had another thought to explain this:

What if there have been several people inflicted by the same condition as Maine over the years, and this is what the locals have thought of as the ghost?

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My current line of thought: the legends of the ghosts came from the first Cube tests, and Maine and co. are victims of a new test-regime from the material mined at V'bourg, a NEW Cube or probably a pre-Cube that they haven't refined yet - hence strange fuzzy men, people transporting into walls etc.

NOW Violet and Scarlett are on their merry way to the place where the eeevil scientists (or, possibly, misunderstood/bullied scientists working for an eeevil ruler - ie Daddy) are refining a new Cube, and they'll get captured and about to be tested on when Caine and Kurt burst in brandishing AKs and raze the eeevil facility to the ground! Hooray!


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My only question about Maine is why did he end up at the lab there in the lighthouse? Very strange as no experiments have been done there for years . Maybe it was just dumb luck that he happened to be there, maybe it was the only place he could hide from the drowning effect of EM and also aviod people.

If Sente knew about experiments ending up near there, would he have let Violet and Scarlett go? Or are they part of his unofficial investigation team?

About Sente -I'm still not convinced he is evil. I do think he is smart enough to decide to try to construct a new Cube (maybe he is a Reconstructionist? I know it is a bad pun Wink ) Maybe the experiment is about to make a new, possibly upgraded version, of the Cube.
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Sente and 3P have realised that it must have been the Cube which had the capability of transporting people to Earth, previously it had been thought impossible. So it makes sence that if they are to return the original Cube to PXC (what is the planet called?) they will need another Cube, or similar effect, to get here.

So have 3P constructed a new cube or just replicated the effects?
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