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dmax
Unfictologist
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1387 Location: Location: Location!
EMAIL: to initiatesblue "you are blessed..." This as the response to stiffy's spiffy solution to the "meaning behind the myth"
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11830#11830
_________________That sounds like something HITLER would say!
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:21 pm
MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
Blue and Red responses to Tree of Myths solve: Blue response:
you are blessed with rare perceptive ability
in each age
we have a need for those who have this ability
to see the value and meaning where others do not
to serve and protect out of respect, duty, and honor
to serve the greater good
we are known by many names
as many as there are generations and ages
in the tapestry of time
we serve
both concept and council
both ideal and manifestation
both flesh and spirit
we are marked
for both honor and shame
for both service and leadership
for teaching and silence
answer this question and then ask one of your one:
do you feel the call?
Red response:
you are cursed with rare intuitive ability
in each age
there are those who share this ability
to see the meaning behind the facade
where others do not
to find connections
where others do not
to bear the burden of knowledge
of something you cannot share
we are known by many names
as many as there are generations and ages
in the tapestry of time
we serve
both concept and council
both ideal and manifestation
both flesh and spirit
we are marked
for both honor and shame
for both truth and deception
for friendship and fear
answer this question and then ask one of your one:
do you know the power of secrecy?
_________________Magesteff
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 9:02 pm
LazarusLong
Unfettered
Joined: 20 Mar 2003 Posts: 453 Location: 93 miles SW of Ted Kaczynski's cabin
In UF #ctw chat this evening, phensley noted that both emails say:
Quote:
answer this question and then ask one of your one:
Shouldn't that be "one of your own"?
Typo, or clue to another puzzle?
_________________"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:37 pm
dashcat
Entrenched
Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 816 Location: Under the bed
Reply from Guides I asked, "Who are you?" and got a personalized response.
Who are you?
the protectors of secret knowledge and the sacred way
the hands of history
the attendants to the gods
the guides to enlightenment or ignorance
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:36 pm
LazarusLong
Unfettered
Joined: 20 Mar 2003 Posts: 453 Location: 93 miles SW of Ted Kaczynski's cabin
I asked "Where do we go from here?"
And got "down the path of fate, where knowledge and service lead"
Damn guides are being cryptic as usual.
So I tried fate.html, pathoffate.html, thepathoffate.html, downthepathoffate.html, and variations thereof. No luck!
Then I tried /knowledge/service/fate.html, etc., etc. and got nowhere.
So, I'll keep trying variations on that theme until I give up or find something.
_________________"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:43 pm
LazarusLong
Unfettered
Joined: 20 Mar 2003 Posts: 453 Location: 93 miles SW of Ted Kaczynski's cabin
From enaxor over on CD:
enaxor wrote:
I sent one to red and one to blue. After I sent the red one, I decided I should have ask a question about their other names, so I sent one to blue with that question
red:
How may I serve?
follow your guide
educate yourself
serve without question
blue:
What are some of your other names?
one name which we have been called in recent times - Melungeons
Sources of information on the Melungeons:
http://www.melungeon.info/
http://www.melungeons.com/
http://www.blueridgecountry.com/melung/melung.html
From the last site, the following quote:
"He holds up his hands and reveals a faint scar on each hand. "You ever hear the story about the six-fingered Melungeons ? Well, I'm living proof it's true." He hadhis extra digits, which are common among those of Spanish and Jewish heritage, removed as a young boy. "
_________________"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:48 pm
phensley
Decorated
Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Posts: 183
Believe it or not where I live they have a Melungeon reunion here every year. I'll see what all I can scrape up for everyone as far as information.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:38 pm
phensley
Decorated
Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Posts: 183
There are some physiological characteristics, called ethnic markers, that seem to be passed on through the lines of some Melungeon descendants. There is a bump on the back of the head of some descendants, that is located at mid-line, just above the juncture with the neck. It is about the size and shape of half a golf ball or smaller. If you cannot find the bump, check to see if you, like some descendants, including myself, have a ridge, located at the base of the head where it joins the neck, rather than the Anatolian bump. This ridge is an enlargement of the base of the skull, which is called a Central Asian Cranial Ridge. My ridge is quite noticeable. It is larger than anyone else's that I have felt, except my father's. I can lay one finger under it and the ridge is as deep as my finger is thick. Other ridges are smaller. To find a ridge, place your and at the base of your neck where it joins your shoulders, and on the center line of your spine. Run your fingers straight up your neck toward your head. If you have a ridge, it will stop your fingers from going on up and across your head. Only people who live/d in the Anatolian region of Turkey or Central Asia also have this "bump/ridge."
There is also a ridge on the back of the first four teeth-two front teeth and the ones on either side (upper and lower) of some descendants. If you place your fingernail at the gum line and gently draw (up or down) you can feel it and it makes a slight clicking sound. The back of the teeth also curve outward rather than straight as the descendants of anglo-saxon parentage do. Teeth like these are called Asian Shovel Teeth. Many Indian descendants also have this type of teeth. The back of the first four teeth of Northern European descendants are straight and flat. An example of northern European teeth would be similar to this diagram: \l Shovel teeth look like this diagram. Back of teeth )/ front of teeth, straight.
Some Melungeon descendants have what is called an Asian eyefold. This is rather difficult to describe. At the inner corner of the eye, the upper lid attaches slightly lower than the lower lid. That is to say that it overlaps the bottom lid. If you place your finger just under the inner corner of the eye and gently pull down, a wrinkle will form which makes the fold more visible. Some people call these eyes, "sleepy eyes, dreamy eyes, bedroom eyes." Many Indian descendants also have these kinds of eyes.
Some families may have members with fairly dark skin who suffer with vitiligo, a loss of pigmentation, leaving the skin blotched with white patches. Some descendants have had six fingers or toes. There is a family of people in Turkey whose surname translated into English is "Six Fingered Ones."
http://www.iigs.org/newsletter/9810news/melungeo.htm
Also listed are some common surnames found with the melungeon history. Green(e) is amoung that list. How do I come to know most of this? Thompson is also one which happens to be my maiden name. But don't think what you are thinking. I am just a player in this game.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:00 pm
konamouse
Official uF Dietitian
Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 8010 Location: My own alternate reality
Quote:
There is also a ridge on the back of the first four teeth-two front teeth
Dang, I've always wondered about the back of my front teeth. Major ridge back there. Nothing like my mother's teeth. Now, my dad's father came from Tennesse, and we think his ancestors came from Austria.
_________________
'squeek'
r u a Sammeeeee? I am Forever!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:10 pm
Myssfitz
Unfettered
Joined: 26 Feb 2003 Posts: 695 Location: In the pasture
Re: Reply from Guides
dashcat wrote:
I asked, "Who are you?" and got a personalized response.
Who are you?
the protectors of secret knowledge and the sacred way
the hands of history
the attendants to the gods
the guides to enlightenment or ignorance
I asked: What is it that you want of me?
Their answer:
we desire nothing from you
we instead ask, what do you desire from us?
I desire everything from you HA! Hmm. Time to think (ouch)
Also, can I ask what everyone's answer was to their question "What is the power of secrecy?" Maybe that might help us figure out why they answered what they did (other than the obvious answer to our question).
We know they like to be cryptic, so...
I answered:
The power of secrecy is my duty, to bear the burden of knowledge of something that I cannot share.
_________________Well, Moo
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:27 pm
MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?
Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 2716 Location: State of Denial
Serving both Red and Blue, and a response concerning the num From : initiatesblueSPLAT mythosphere.org
Is is possible to drink both the water and be warmed by the fire? - yes
From: initiatesredSPLAT mythosphere.org
Is is possible to see both sides of one coin? - yes
So it appears that one can be part of both groups if one desires.
Also after the brief contact I had with "thenumberedones" in AIM I sent this to both red and blue:
Quote:
It is true I know not what I seek,
but I will not sit mild and meek
and wait until the the world grows cold
the hidden mysteries to be told,
when time grows too late
to taste the feast upon my plate.
You have promised to be a guide,
yet my knowledge has been let slide
I must ask from outside your walls
to learn how to walk your hallowed halls.
When al I desire is to hear
your voice. For I am but a mere
human mortal.
I stand here at your portal
Seeking....
and I got this back from Blue:
Quote:
to learn how to walk your hallowed halls.
follow your guide
educate yourself
serve without question
well, well well, two answers from them in one day....
BTW here is the answers I gave to each question posed and my own questions (and as it was sent as a single message to both groups they know I am sending to both):
Quote:
answer this question and then ask one of your one:
"do you know the power of secrecy?"
Yes, for many locks it is the key.
To the Red I say:
I see before me a coin with two faces,
one side the earth, the other the sky.
Is is possible to see both sides of one coin?
To the blue I say:
answer this question and then ask one of your one:
"do you feel the call?"
It's echos pull me through the Hall.
I stand in the doorway between two rooms
in one a hearth with a fire
in the other a well with water
Is is possible to drink both the water and be warmed by the fire?
_________________Magesteff
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:47 pm
Geist
Veteran
Joined: 04 Mar 2003 Posts: 120 Location: Scotland
Here is what I got back from the initiatesred
Why must someone have this knowledge?
to understand the consequences of sharing their knowledge
_________________I bet one legend that keeps recurring throughout history, in every culture, is the story of Popeye.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:34 pm
KyraB
Boot
Joined: 22 Mar 2003 Posts: 43 Location: oklahoma city, ok
My response from the guides I asked: Who are our enemies?
And received:
our enemies are many
those who would carelessly share or defile the knowledge we serve and protect
those who would use the secrets for their own reward
those who crave power and wealth
those who expose us to the world
Forgot to say, I am a BLUE initiate.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:24 pm
dmax
Unfictologist
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1387 Location: Location: Location!
sheesh I'm blue. And I feel like I just got back a paper from a teacher with a big incomplete written across the top.
Quote:
you didn't really answer this question:
do you feel the call?
Quoting Dan <dmax@mac.com>:
My question: to what end? - to protect the secret knowledge and sacred way
_________________That sounds like something HITLER would say!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:50 am
Myssfitz
Unfettered
Joined: 26 Feb 2003 Posts: 695 Location: In the pasture
LazarusLong wrote:
I asked "Where do we go from here?"
And got "down the path of fate, where knowledge and service lead"
Damn guides are being cryptic as usual.
So I tried fate.html, pathoffate.html, thepathoffate.html, downthepathoffate.html, and variations thereof. No luck!
Then I tried /knowledge/service/fate.html, etc., etc. and got nowhere.
So, I'll keep trying variations on that theme until I give up or find something.
What about the path of "fate" at Greywethers? Here is a listing of that "path".
http://www.greywethers.net/fate.html (a herf="rn1.html")
http://www.greywethers.net/penrose.html (burnt.jpg) (I took out the 8 pages of individual letters which lead us to this page)
http://www.greywethers.net/tiling.html (burnt.jpg)
http://www.greywethers.net/phi.html
http://www.greywethers.net/seton.html
http://www.greywethers.net/escher.html (escher.jpg)
http://www.greywethers.net/circlelimitIV.html
http://www.greywethers.net/oneill.html
_________________Well, Moo
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 4:09 am
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