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DrBunker
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nukedog wrote:
TO [UNDERSTAND?] THE END, [PEOPLE?] [MUST?] [KNOW?] THE [BEGINNING?]. THERE [WAS?] [THREE?] [KINDS?] [?OF?] [PEOPLE?] [?OF?] [?EARTH?], THERE [WAS?] ATLANTIS, THERE [WAS?] La, [AND?] masi ust awlyn

thoughts?

Looks possible to me -- with the words we're already quite sure about and the things Lanti has been saying the sentence makes sense.
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I posted the email in the yshkLanti emails thread, but from my correspondence today with our friend, I've learned that "linguala" does not equal "language", despite what it sounds like. The phrase I was asking about was "Linguala di Lanti," so since he didn't deny the use of "di" there as "of", perhaps we can go ahead and declare that "di = of"?

With regard to nukedog's speculative translation, I agree it does sound good, but I suggest we take a conservative approach to updating the lexicon (which I've now moved to the wiki, by the way, so anyone can update it) since our friend has repeatedly warned us about making assumptions, and an incorrect assumption at this point (i.e. with only a few words in translation) may lead us even further astray in speculations based on word order and so forth.

But yeah, I like that translation. One thing, though, that second sentence should begin "There were three kinds ..." We don't know if the Lanti were sticklers for grammar, but that's how it should read -- assuming still that Lanti is a one-to-one substitution for English. Of course, vyl could be both singular and plural.

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DrBunker wrote:
nukedog wrote:
TO [UNDERSTAND?] THE END, [PEOPLE?] [MUST?] [KNOW?] THE [BEGINNING?]. THERE [WAS?] [THREE?] [KINDS?] [?OF?] [PEOPLE?] [?OF?] [?EARTH?], THERE [WAS?] ATLANTIS, THERE [WAS?] La, [AND?] masi ust awlyn

thoughts?

Looks possible to me -- with the words we're already quite sure about and the things Lanti has been saying the sentence makes sense.


I have to agree, that seems like a very probable translation. Especially when putting into context with other phrases ("hasya" = must, works particularly well). Take "Ra nnra koldaaj, jal hasya adjnak ny nukvad." "TO PRESERVE HUMANITY [one?] [must?] adjnak THE nukvad."

It also appears in "....yshk srk hasya tollen...." FOR YOU [MUST?] [....?], which sounds like it fits well and makes sense syntactically.

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So as far as I can tell, the grammar is essentially identical to English?

I.e. this isn't a language with its own grammatical system?
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Phaedra wrote:
So as far as I can tell, the grammar is essentially identical to English?

I.e. this isn't a language with its own grammatical system?


Correct. It's basically a word-level cypher of English. One of the only differences I've noticed thus far is that it seems like Lanti may not use plurals . In one of our texts, the same word is translated as both "has" (singular) and "have" (plural). A few other minor discrepencies like this exist (same word is used, apparently, as both "him" and "he"), but basically, it's just English with a different dictionary.

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Aeon wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
So as far as I can tell, the grammar is essentially identical to English?

I.e. this isn't a language with its own grammatical system?


Correct. It's basically a word-level cypher of English. One of the only differences I've noticed thus far is that it seems like Lanti may not use plurals . In one of our texts, the same word is translated as both "has" (singular) and "have" (plural). A few other minor discrepencies like this exist (same word is used, apparently, as both "him" and "he"), but basically, it's just English with a different dictionary.


Considering that the PMs don't appear to have actually created a language, I doubt this, but it's possible that instead of a direct correlate to have and has, that word is a tense marker.
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