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[UPDATE] Library of Babel - To Begin.
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jonc
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Has anyone noticed the tab order of the letters on the last page?

I would expect them to be in order, but they are not in a strict order (left to right/top to bottom).

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:03 am
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Platinumflux
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I used to live in Greenwich, unfortunately its a Royal Park and as such there's NO WAY you'd be allowed to dig there!! I don't think mind candy would have buried it somewhere you'd get arrested digging it up!! Wink

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flicb
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I'm a little concerned about the frozen aspect at the moment (although that might just be my part of the UK Wink ).

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:25 pm
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hobyrne
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"Words within words" sounds an awful lot like steganography to me...

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TheDragonArmy
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Also remember a few things about the cube itself. MC has categorically stated that it WILL NOT BE FOUND with a metal detector. It is not made of a metal that is reactive to metal detectors, or is inside a box that masks it. So, no bothering with metal detectors or some other method. We're going to have details as to its location once we crack the puzzles. We just need to get cracking.

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bit1313
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Just gonna say it...

spec on
I think CT did land in Central Park BUT he went to the New York Public Library

Why?
Near Central Park
You could definitely "bury" something there (never said in the ground, right?) In fact, with the basement, it might look underground
All the references to the "library of babel"
The references to the authors
References to books
References to characters in books
Arrangements (dewey decimel system)
Words on words
Letters
CT was looking for a hotel or a library at one point
The arboreal part. I'm looking beyond the obvious - TREES. Why not wood (shelves) and paper. Could THAT have looked arboreal to a sensor?
There are all sorts of other things I have been thinking too... but those are some of the top reasons.

I'm just saying it just to say it. Trout and bash away.

The end.

Spec off

bit1313

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Cabbage
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What's in a name?

Just a quick random thought that has has been bothering me since I went to Somerset in the summer and saw a road sign that said someplace or other Combe when Perplex City was new to me and everything was swirling around in my mind (well, actually that's still happening now as well).

And yes, I know where the name Combed Thunderclap comes from, and no I don't know how this fits in with the five fingers but there may be more layers to this that we haven't thought about. So anyway to get to the point, I looked up Combe on the very wonderful Dictionary.com

Quote:
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source
combe  /kum, koʊm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[koom, kohm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun British
a narrow valley or deep hollow, esp. one enclosed on all but one side.
Also, comb, coomb, coombe.

[Origin: OE cumb valley < British Celtic; cf. cwm]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary - Cite This Source

combe

Comb \Comb\, Combe \Combe\ (? or ?), n. [AS. comb, prob. of Celtic origin; cf. W. cwm a dale, valley.] That unwatered portion of a valley which forms its continuation beyond and above the most elevated spring that issues into it.


A perfect place to secrete a small object n'est-ce pas mes enfants? I can just visualise someone making their way up a narrowing gorge and finding the whatdyamacallit in a little hole. Mmm, it's in a deep hollow enclosed on all but one side, they think... ah yes, it's in a Combe.

I think it would be good anyway, and I know I'm R-O-N-G as usual, but I thought that I would mention it while everyone is being speccy.Geek

Any places like that in Greenwich or Central Park?

Cabbage Foily!

PS I also know that if this is right we will have to call them "Coom"ed Thunderclap from now on, like Geordies, to make it sound right...
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wonkothesane
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Ive been looking at the metapuzzle over the last few days - i like the connection with argentina , but is that TOO obvious ? my candidate to start the search would be the forest bordering argentina chile :

http://gorp.away.com/gorp/location/latamer/argentin/map_arch.htm

shown here on this map . it sports some nice monkey puzzle trees 'monkey tree' = arboreal ?

ive been looking again also at the language in the clues from the library of babel - some of the language seems so gramatically unusual that im wandering there is a clue there - "even here.not usual" 'here not' is an anagam of 'erenhot' - a place in china where there is a dinosaur museum 'start with the simple questions' puzzle card number 1 is a dinosaur puzzle ???
'even usual' allmost gives an anagram of venezuala .

i dont know if anyone has pointed this out yet , but most of the fictional books quoted in library of babel are mentioned in one borges book : tlon,uqbar,orbis tertius - wikipedia on it here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tl%C3%B6n,_Uqbar,_Orbis_Tertius

regards

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Macavity
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Re: Just gonna say it...

bit1313 wrote:
spec on
I think CT did land in Central Park BUT he went to the New York Public Library

Why?
Near Central Park
You could definitely "bury" something there (never said in the ground, right?) In fact, with the basement, it might look underground
All the references to the "library of babel"
The references to the authors
References to books
References to characters in books
Arrangements (dewey decimel system)
Words on words
Letters
CT was looking for a hotel or a library at one point
The arboreal part. I'm looking beyond the obvious - TREES. Why not wood (shelves) and paper. Could THAT have looked arboreal to a sensor?
There are all sorts of other things I have been thinking too... but those are some of the top reasons.

I'm just saying it just to say it. Trout and bash away.

The end.

Spec off

bit1313


Very interesting thought, bit1313!

I'm headed to NYC on Thursday (with a group of friends who are heading down to see the show at Radio City). I'll see if I can't finagle me some time in the library.

Who knows? If I can finagle the time, I (and anyone who can join me on such short notice) might just find the k00b! Very Happy
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AtionSong
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I checked out a book by Borgues at the library today. One of his stories, Uqbar, as previously discussed, may have some connection to PXC. I noticed that one element of the story discussed is duodecimal code, or, in other words Base 12.

Basically, this means that in America, we use base 10: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Base 12 reads: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,10. So 12 in Base 12 = 10 in Base 10.

It occured to me that we may need to reinterpret the numbers we were given with Base 12 instead of Base 10.

(on an interesting side note, the fascination D'ni numbering system uses Bas 25 numbering. Read about it here)

Alright, in duodecimal (Base 12) code, the numbers the code is for become (in base 10):

Code:
Base 10 = Base 12
127=A7
77=65
28=24
64=54
160=114
176=128
11=B
30=26


The A and B are imaginary numbers, that equal 10 and 11 in base 10, respectively, but in their positions in the numbers, they equal that number times twelve (just like the number in the second position in base 10 is multiplied by 10). So perhaps, CT wants us to use:

Code:

127=107
11=11


Of course, it could also be reversed, and need to be converted from base 12 to base 10. In that case, the numbers would be:

Code:
Base 12 = Base 10
127=175
77=91
28=32
64=76
160=216
176=234
11=13
30=36


Seem a little to high...

I'll try plugging these in momentarily. Could somebody please double check these numbers, though?[/url]

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regentswift
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xandert_86 wrote:
If the 'five fingers' are supposed to leave us towards five cards (as unlikely as that seems as we aren't supposed to need cards to find the Cube) than arboreal -> Muscae Volitantes?


There IS a card called Dissolution...

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AtionSong
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Trying to replug.

For the first set of numbers I got:

Code:

Base 10 = Base 12= Letter
127=A7=107?= R? (or maybe A7 is 1337 (leet) for AT)
77=65=E
28=24=H
64=54=I
160=114=H
176=128=H
11=B=11=I
30=26=H


So this basically decodes to either REHIHHIH or maybe ATEHIHHBI. Basically, garble with no point, but lots of Hs.

Second set:

Code:

Base 12 = Base 10 = Letter
127=175=A
77=91=L
28=32=E
64=76=B
160=216=Nonexistant. Assuming that it cycles, though = O
176=234=Nonexistant, see above = B
11=13=M
30=36=L


Slightly more coherant: ALEBOBML

I tried to anagram the answers, as a last resort. All I could arrive on was:

REHIHHIH = none
ATEHIHHBI = HI HAT BE HI
ALEBOBML = A ELM BLOB

And, lastly, cryptograms:

REHIHHIH = OBSESSES
ATEHIHHBI = RAPESEEDS (rapeseed being the scientific name for, I believe, Canola)
ALEBOBML = (many, I've included the possibly relivant ones)
SEPARATE
MEDICINE
DEFINITE
DELAWARE
BASILICA
ENVISION
CYTOLOGY

So, probably a dead end. If anybody wants to correct me on any of the numbers I plugged in, or offer other insight, please offer it. Otherwise, I just kicked myself in my a** for a half hour.

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theoneskee
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Haven't seen this mentioned, The ivy leaves in Realise are variegated, which is most common with the species Hedera helix, also known as "English Ivy" in the States, and that seems to me like

2. Realise = Realm = UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedera_helix

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notso
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Someone mentioned New York Central Library.

Wasn't there something hidden in that library as part of the pre-game? I'm thinking postcards in a copy of Alice in Wonderland.

Just thinking out loud.

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drinkmonsters
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thats right nosto...

thinking out loud:

1. I don't see many of the same people who used to post in the boards. is that because people think they may be close and don't want to share their speculation? I think this is a time when we need to stick together to find the cube... I don't think splitting up at this point is going to be good for the "team"

2. to add some more spec... the library of babel was the largest library at the time... the library of congress is the worlds largest library today... just throwin it out there.

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