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[blackhawk127]

thats streching it but i think thers a cipher similar to the 4 sqaure and playfair that uses a number keyword
by the way did alfred show up at 2 am est or pst or what

[Arefor77why]

hey!
I got some new stuff... or whatever you say in fancy arg language (I'm total noob at this)

At the science link page, there is a comment from Alfred Alan in Joe, Montana

[blackhawk127]

while yes that has been mentioned i dont think anyone has gone through the sites in much detail. Is there anything you saw that could connect sun armies a little better

[TimonyCrickets]

Late in the evening I started up on the cipher again. So I noticed at the end of his post that he made from AA, Pleasantville that he says "Solar Calf". Solar Calf doesn't have anything to do with the comment he makes or the website he references. I tried this has a keyword in a four square cipher with no luck at all. I tried it in a few other digraphic ciphers with no luck at all. So I am still stuck there.

A bit of information on the "Solar Calf". The solar calf may very well be a reference to the Egyptian solar calf. In Egyptian lore there are stories of a calf which is born on the morning of each day and moves through the sky (a reference to the sun) and dies each night to be reborn the next morning. This is related to some Egyptian God (I cannot remember the name and have not had time to search it out yet, I think it starts with an H). I don't know if that will help anyone but I thought it was interesting especially with compared to the SUN ARMIES references.

[blackhawk127]

thats good stuff it fits more than the stuff were wildly grasping at i went browsing through the net and found the egyptian god marduk translates to "solar calf"
http://www.20000-names.com/male_m_names.htm#MARDUK i to am short on time but i saw something relating to the armies of marduk
marduk could be the keyword were looking for so who ever has the ability feel free to give it a go

[TimonyCrickets]

Here we go:

[alia]

you probably tried this, but just in case

[blackhawk127]

i agree with you i think the last few letters si tc hi nx are the project name in a whole diffrent cipher but its not rot... sigh nothings that easy apparently =P

[argodaemon]

I took the old cipher and used the keyword Timony found. It looks similar, but there are a few characters missing where "six" should be, as if it is supposed to be "related to numbers the outside..."
The bolded letters are the same (all but one in even numbered sets) and the italic part is the confusing portion.

[argodaemon]

Alfred came online at 5:30pm CST. While Hawk and I were trying to figure out what to say, he sent us a message and then went offline right away. Here is what he said:

[TimonyCrickets]

Take a look... it doesn't make much sense to me yet but...

[alia]

ok, maybe i'm just grasping at straws...(and i don't know if this should have a spoiler tag or not??)

[argodaemon]

If Planet X and Pluto are included, Jupiter is the 6th planet from the outside:
1: Planet X
2: Pluto
3: Neptune
4: Uranus
5: Saturn
6: Jupiter
7: Mars
8: Earth
9: Venus
10: Mercury

The problem is that Pluto was recently demoted to "dwarf planet" on August 24, 2006 by the International Astronomical Union. As such, it is no longer included with the main planets. Being that this information is still unknown to some, it could have been overlooked.

The other problem is that Planet X is considered the "12th" planet in some instances. That would throw a wrench in this one.

[alia]

but, should this relate to that author, since his name is in the sentence?

[TimonyCrickets]

Planet X is considered the 12th planet but in that the 12 planets include the Sun and the Moon. So you have this order:

1) Sun
2) Mercury
3) Venus
4) Earth
5) Moon (Luna)
6) Mars
7) Jupiter
Saturn
9) Uranus
10) Neptune
11) Pluto
12) Planet X (Nibiru)

Now I would not get rid of Pluto because according to the ancient records that talk about Nibiru (as well as Sitchin) Pluto is a planet. In this case again Jupiter would be the 6th planet from the outside.

Also, Marduk was the Babylonian God associated with Jupiter. The name od Jupiter in Babylonian... Nibiru (which is the name of the 12th planet according to Sitchin).

Ok I may have stayed up most of the night reading about this stuff darn ARGs!