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[Arkaham]

[DC] Protocol (What's OOG and what's IG?)

[Forgery]

Very nice Ark

[SpaceBass]

Re: [DC] Protocol (What's OOG and what's IG?)

[KGBrAm]

To go along with this theme:

http://funditechnologies.com/games

Their view of how the game should be played.

[Phaedra]

[Arkaham]

Re: [DC] Protocol (What's OOG and what's IG?)

[Phaedra]

Re: [DC] Protocol (What's OOG and what's IG?)

[Arkaham]

Re: [DC] Protocol (What's OOG and what's IG?)

[KGBrAm]

I have so much to say on this subject, but I don't want to make enemies
I tend to get carried away by the emotion of the moment!

So I guess I'll shut up.

[imbri]

Re: [DC] Protocol (What's OOG and what's IG?)

[imbri]

[Dr3dg]

I feel like a lab rat in someones social experiment.

[SpaceBass]

The other side of this coin is that most of these arguments are centering around Unfiction. Who is to say that there aren't other people out there playing Deus City who have no idea about any proposed rule for how to treat in-game and out-of-game data?

It's important to recognize that there is simply no foolproof way for we as players to effectively control the dissemination or treatment of game data, whether in- or out-of-game. The puppetmasters do, however, have the ability to control and/or filter what their in-game universe "sees." Ultimately, those decisions about whether "leaks" happen or whatever are up to them.

If we accept this reality, one can still play in-character and be mindful of what one "should" and "shouldn't" know when interacting with the game universe. And nothing should stop us from posting everything we know out-of-game. Even if that information is "misused" somehow, it can only be effective if the puppetmasters allow it to be. Thus, there is no requirement for us to expect certain behavior from other players and no reason to set ourselves up for inevitable disappointment because someone doesn't know any better or just doesn't care.

[KGBrAm]

Imbri, you have no idea how many posts I've written in the past couple days that have not (and will) not be posted. Not that I was being mean or foulmouthed, but I wasn't being reasonable or objective.

I have learned to not let emotion take the better of me

'The great thing about ARG's is that they have no rules'
'The bad thing about ARG's is that they have no rules'



Odd statements, but they ring true.

I'd like to address your points about a few players controlling the info.
It's definitely a game design gamble to leave so much power in the players hands.

But it can pay-off in a meaningful manner. The final result could be very very involving.

It may seem like we control the info and that it's given out on a whim, but the methods of release are scripted. We have specific orders in how to distribute and release the info. And we are doing as we are told.

Well, I know I am in any case


It adds an degree of separation between the source and the ones looking for it. It's kinda similar to a Covert Group Cell System where each member know only a few others. This is a proven method of organization for groups that have a, secretive, slant to them

It adds a layer of paranoia, which seems to be a central theme of DS so far.

It adds layers to the storytelling and the method of storytelling.

To me, those are good things.

And it's not exactly player vs. player per se, but more like faction vs. faction, it's not like we are all at each others throats. Teams are forming and growing, people are gathering behind beliefs in anticipation of what is going to happen.


Or..

This thing could just blow up in my face and my misguided optimism will be crushed beyond repair

[catherwood]

I often say, "we don't play games on Unfiction, we discuss them." The actual game play, if it needs a forum, can take place in places like Immersion Unlimited or within the walls of the game's website itself. Players come to the Unforums to discuss game mechanics and even strategy, but not from the vantage point of their role within the game.

Yes, I know that is a simplistic, naive, and even meta way to look at these forums, but it works for me. I rather like it when a game sets up their own in-game message board, but only if it remains truly in-game. It can be a struggle to clear out any posts which try to "out" the characters as being only fictional. These here out-of-game unforums are necessary! Not every game needs its own in-game message board, and the Unforums can sometimes function that way. But when things get messy, it's often best to just separate the worlds cleanly.

Haven't we already done this with at least one prior game, one with rival factions? Didn't they successfully run separate private forums for members of opposing teams, with logins, over at IU? (should I go find some links?)

Wildfire Industries, with both in-game and OoG subforums