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[UPDATE] Library of Babel - ticks
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DarkHuman
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i know it makes no sence.... i know this. but damn, i keep thinking those numbers are clock faces, showing time. but there's not enought numbers. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:18 pm
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ampetrizzo
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Why am I beginning to feel like CT is Cyrus Quinton and that V is his Tyler Durden-like alter-ego?

I also feel like there's another clue within the segment. The vocals restart every time you click on the screen, overlapping and making for creepy unhappy listening. For me, when CT gets to the part about the picture in his passport, the text stops synching with the vocals, and the word "city" is cut off completely ("the picture was taken in Perplex___"). Random clicking is getting me no where. Does anyone else have the same problem or is it just my computer?

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That's an interesting idea, one I had not considered, except that V was at Hesh the next day and was also around much later to murder Monica Grand.

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When he says it has been almost three years, isn't he just saying that he has been on Earth for almost 3 years.

I love the idea of CT working for the UN and that he brought a powerful weapon with him from another world. (not that he is really working for the UN, just that the passport allows him to pose as if he were.

Wonder what hotel the car took him to.

Wonder where his travel tickets took him? I guess that is the question we have been asking since we first found the libraryofbabel directory.

And, I am not seeing any difference with the audio and the text on the screen, I thought there was one when I first saw it but now I think they are identical.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:36 pm
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ampetrizzo
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I like what Dark Human said
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i know it makes no sence.... i know this. but damn, i keep thinking those numbers are clock faces, showing time. but there's not enought numbers. Confused


because I like the idea that the pluses and the minuses outside the parentheses are instructions for moving clockwise or counterclockwise on a dial. That said, maybe they're not clock faces, but numbers on a lock? It's one heck of a long string for a combination lock, but maybe something similar?

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*Observation Only*

The "coordinates" string at the end contains only the digits 2 through 8.
All numbers appear in positive and negative form, except for 2, which only appears in negative form.

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ramsfan
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numbers

The pattern of the numbers seems significant. Ignoring the signs outside the brackets, you have
7,8 6,6 7,8 6,6
-5,5 -5,5
7,5 6,5 6,5 7,5
6,4 6,4
8,4 8,4 8,3 8,3 (interrupted by -5,-2)
6,-4, 6,-4 (interrupted by -5,-2)
7,-4 7,-4
8,-4 -4,-6 8,-4 -4,-6 (interrupted by 6,-5)
8,-5 8,-5 (interrupted by 6, -5 and 6, -2)
-4,-8 -4,-8
-3,-8 -3,-8 (interrupted by -2,-7)
6,-7 6,-7 (interrupted by 6,-2 and -2,-7)
7,-7 7, -7
ie this suggests discrete points, but a pattern which gradually goes out of sync. I'm sure this can be better expessed, but I'm drawing attention to the repeated pattern.
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Scott wrote:
Scribe wrote:
is there any chance of getting a re-plot of that but using only horizontal and vertical lines?
Love to, except I'm not sure what you mean, exactly.


Oops, sorry. I mean, rather than plotting diagonal lines straight from (x1, y1) to (x2, y2), lines are plotted for each direction, such that you have one line (x1, y1) to (x2, y1), and then one leading on from (x2, y1) to (x2, y2). So a (4,4) would show up as a line 4 units across, and then a line 4 units up from the end of that.

See below for why i think this is important:

Rose wrote:
Any chance the numbers relate to the number strings that I have so fondly been working with?


I say yes - only with the new ones, we're dealing with just 2 'components' - across, and up/down. One theory I had about the card number strings was that they correspond to some "grid" in which direct movement isn't possible, hence the need to often take roundabout routes. (Some of the numbers take a "direct path", e.g. 14141414 to move diagonally, while others seem to bend round more, e.g. 1114334)

This would only be necessary if, rather than a simple grid, the movement was constrained within some structure. I was thinking it was maybe a maze, but I'd say a maze is often the same thing as city streets... Of course, there are many places with a grid-like structure, not least NY, Barcelona and PXC.

Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere, there are 42 sets of numbers in both the card numbers and the new ones, and both consist of pairs (right way up/upside-down, and +/-).

The pairs thing is confusing me at the moment though. Is it possible that there are two things "moving" together, and they're reacting somehow? Or some other explanation?
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Re: numbers

ramsfan wrote:
I'm sure this can be better expessed, but I'm drawing attention to the repeated pattern.


Yup, I spotted that one and plotted it:
http://www.billion2one.org/other/ticks.php

(ack... the forum won't let me use image tags on a PHP generated image)
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Can I just mention something for a minute.. and trout if you think this has been covered or just plain stupid.

Doesn't the contents of the envelope as described match the back of the earlier cards????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

A phone, a passport and an envelope?

This doesn't really help... (I don't think) but isn't that odd?????????????????????????????????????

bit1313 Idea Idea Idea

EDIT - And Sente is in a business suit in the picture too...

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rose wrote:
Does anyone have a transcript of the audio? I am thinking of ideas as I try to pack and clean so I'm not able to do one. I think it would be useful for people to be able to read it.

Thanks lovelies Very Happy


Here goes:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the time has come.
click.

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time ticks on and on and on.
the days have bled together and i'm a different person now,
quite different, from the one i was

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IT'S BEEN ALMOST THREE YEARS
1095 days
26297 hours
1,577,846 minutes

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And there are the deaths.
Days not lived and hours not perceived.
I wish this had been different.

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There was a clock in the hotel lobby. The car dropped me off at the door. I wrapped the cube in the coat because I did not fully understand that no one here would know it, that no one would shout
"Stop! Thief!"
I spoke my name to the clerk behind the desk whose red nails clicked on the marble surface as the hands of the clock ticked round and round and I thought now. Certainly now I will be discovered.

The red-nailed woman said: "Yes, the suite is booked for you, yes, the charges have been taken care of."

She smiled as she said this.
She said:
"And your travel documents."

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She handed me an envelope.
I tipped the contents into my hand.
there were tickets, there was a device the size of a deck of cards with a screen and a key pad, there was a small turquoise book with blank pages

on the front it said: laissez passer, nations unies

in the back of the book was a picture of me. i recognised the picture. it was a serious picture. i am in a business suit. it was taken in perplex city.

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In my hotel room the video-screen welcomed me by name and the music playing on the sound system was my favourite Earth composer

I took little notice of any of this, lay on the bed and fell into a sleep as deep as the world.

in my dreams I wandered the streets of perplex city
there was meaning in every street in every turn in every ??

I saw these numbers laid out before me
and then I dreamed no more

(7,8 )+(6,6)+(7,8 )-(6,6)-(-5,5)-(-5,5)+(7,5)+
(6,5)-(6,5)+(7,5)-(6,4)-(6,4)+(8,4)+(8,4)-(8,3)
-(-5,2)-(8,3)+(6,4)-(-5,2)+(6,4)+7,-4)-(7,-4)
+(8,-4)+(-4,-6)+(8,-4)-(6,-5)+(-4,-6)-(8,-5)+(6,-
5)-(6,-2)+(8,-5)-(-4,-8 )-(-4,-8 )+(-2,-7)-(-3,-8 )-(-
3,-8 )+(6,-7)-(6,-2)-(-2,-7)+(6,-7)+(6,-7)+(7,-7)+(7,-7)-


Just that one word I can't make out.

Hope this helps.

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rose wrote:
I love the idea of CT working for the UN


Could we ask Koffee Annan for a staff list...
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I need sleep, but here's what it looks like if you plot the two lines using two-directional lines, with blue = the negative numbers and black = positive (which is basically what Ixalon, I think, posted earlier, only with extra corners, and upside-down as I used positive to be right/up...)

I think, though, that as there's some difference in the order in which the pairs are presented, maybe the difference between the two at any one point might be significant.

Bleh, rambling, time for bed Smile
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To me, this does look like a route through a rectilinear city street grid that includes some one-way streets.

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ixalon
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Yup, the same as mine (apart from I didn't plot the horizontal and vertical components separately).

Anyway, off for some kip too... I'm hoping I have a dream like CT's but I'm hoping for one including an answer! Wink
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