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[UPDATE] Library of Babel - ticks
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FairmontKing
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drinkmonsters wrote:
so now that we have all the numbers in an order... what does this mean for us... i wish i had something to contribute, but i'm at a wall. and how were we supposed to get this order before TICKS?


I was wondering the same thing. If the numbers are important to finding the cube, then according to MC we already had everything we needed before ticks.

I've been trying to determine a method we could have used to order the number strings now that we know the order. Nothing yet.

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drinkmonsters wrote:
and how were we supposed to get this order before TICKS?


It's possible that there's a way to determine the order after plaing around with the strings enough - maybe by rotating, moving, etc them and implying some order by reaching some other goal. A bit like the Granier circles puzzle. In that case, the 1-, 2-, 3-, 4- at the start would be a "guide".

However, there doesn't seem (to me) to be any reason why it would just repeat 1, 2, 3, 4, somewhat arbitrarily... the starting numbers must mean something other than just order - maybe quadrant within a grid (as used just now) or direction?

p.s. good work, ilikepucks Very Happy
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 		Sounds like a jackpot to me.
So, the link is made; now, it boils down to translating the numbers.

But wasn't it established that those were Risk moves?
Looks to me that 1, 2, 3, & 4 and players in turn order.

So... question begs: who owned what and where before the game began?
Or was that Risk assumption rule out in my absence?

EDIT: Well, nevermind then.
Forgot the Risk pieces and the strings were different.
But, maybe not.
Maybe they're indications of something else IN the Risk game?

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 		only lurking on this now ( I gave up on the cube mainly due to Mind Candy's poor customer service), however it would be interesting to know how the current info fits with the repeated statement that the cards weren't needed to find the cube?
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wonkothesane wrote:
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Just a quick note, I think the phone on the back of the cards is one of a Nokia communicator series, possibly a Nokia 9300. When opened up it has a full keyboard, and the little thing in the bottom right.

It also folds and has numbers on the front (which fits the libraryofbabel description).


A 1976 calculator also fits the description.


Yes, but a 1976 calculator would not have a bluetooth symbol on the left arrow key (as seen on the back of the cards).

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it would be interesting to know how the current info fits with the repeated statement that the cards weren't needed to find the cube?


The cards themselves aren't needed, but some of the information on them is. Anyone can find the cube, they won't make you prove you had all the relevant cards if you do.

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 		Running a little bit more with the earlier spec about the contents of the envelope being those items on the back of the Perplex City cards here --

It's already been mentioned that if it is indeed the passport on the back of the cards, CT must have been to Japan. However -- and trout me if I'm repeating here -- I don't think anybody mentioned that it looks like it may be an Indian-issued passport. I say this based on the small lettering in the top right of the bottom visible page. Just a bit of it visible in that corner looks to say "INDIAN VISA" over and over...

Not sure if this is useful at all, especially given the breakthrough with the number strings, but just figured I'd toss it out there for whatever it's worth.

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 		Great Work on the Solve
woo hoo!
Great work ilikepucks! Excellent solve!

I didn't follow the context of the dream being in the streets of PPC, I mean I did think about the map, but I didn't see how to use it.

It looks like Combed Thunderclap may keep giving us some pointers on how to solve his puzzles. Though we can't safely count on getting more of them.

Well done.

PS. I think the three year anniversary may have been a reference to the game Metacortechs or Project Mu, a game I know that wishi-san (Jey of Mind Candy) enjoyed playing. Mu ended three years ago on the day that CT posted the puzzle for us. See this post Wink
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 		Re: Great Work on the Solve
woo hoo!
rose wrote:
PS. I think the three year anniversary may have been a reference to the game Metacortechs or Project Mu, a game I know that wishi-san (Jey of Mind Candy) enjoyed playing. Mu ended three years ago on the day that CT posted the puzzle for us. See this post Wink


Interesting, when I did a search to check that no-one else had suggested that the phone in question was a Nokia communicator, the only thing that came up was a reference to a Metacortechs photo that has a web page displayed on a Nokia communicator.

Is probably completely unrelated though.

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 		Lightbulb!!!
:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
Idea Idea Idea Idea Idea

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The given coordinates serve a double purpose!

1) To find the correct "order" of the puzzle cards with the Risk strings
2) to give the coordinates on a "Risk" gameboard that are occupied

Interestingly, there are 44? (i think) coordinates, and 44 Risk territories.

Can somebody try to figure out if this works?

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I'm so close... so dang close!

But not close enough, so, here's my observations and take on the matter so far. Hopefully someone can take my idea and run with it, or bury it deep enough so that it don't stink.

CT has said several times to "go back to the beginning". Also, several puzzles have been much simpler than we've made them.

So, I reverted to my 8th grade mathematics class.

The Beginning is the "Origin", or 0,0

When mapping co-ordinates on a Graph, the quadrants are:

2 | 1
---------
3 | 4

Each little mark on a graph is a "tick" mark.

Based on how "Letters" showed the METHOD to a puzzle, I would assume that the grid CT gave us to put the cards in order is merely to show us that the numbers somehow go on a grid.

This is were I get lost. If I just use the "ticks" as moves, I draw nonsense shapes. This is also where I realized that the "1.5", "2.5" and "3.5" that we've so complacently accepted, could indeed be a "1" and a ".5". *sob*

I also can't figure in how the LAST digit applies.

The "order" of the numbers that CT gives us can be figured out without his hint if you just put the cards in numeric order, and then take the 1st 1, 1st 2, 1st 3, 1st 4, etc.... That implies then that the first digit is only significant in how to put the rest of the numbers in order.

I even toyed with the idea that the last number is some type of check digit, like a UPC code has. That got me to Mornington Crescent.

I have trouble assuming the use of a Risk board simply because the numbers have to somehow give an answer, and if it is just a path thru territories that CT took while running, it has to give an answer somehow.

I also think that "Arrangements" is somehow a clue to "Shuffled".

Could CT be the image ripped from Sente, given "life" and "thought" by the cube, and the body from one of the thieves?

Who is helping CT on Earth?? Maybe the cube is, but somehow... it doesn't sit right...

I've obviously spent too much time thinking this one through. Someone shoot down some of this or build it up!
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 		as far as the number strings are concerned... maybe they are directions from one country to another where 1,2,3,4 are the move north, south, east, and west. this means 1.5 could be north east or something like that...

?? what do you think??

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I have trouble assuming the use of a Risk board simply because the numbers have to somehow give an answer, and if it is just a path thru territories that CT took while running, it has to give an answer somehow.


I agree that we shouldn't assume this. I think assuming that it is the answer is a mistake. However, I have had no other good ideas so I think it is worthwhile if only to eliminate the Risk portion.

I never assumed it was a path through the territories but that we were to get back to the original configuration of the board and identify the order of the territories where each string = a terrritory.

Maybe we should not look at the number strings for a bit and try to figure out what the heck the Risk pieces and die are there for?

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This is also where I realized that the "1.5", "2.5" and "3.5" that we've so complacently accepted, could indeed be a "1" and a ".5



Now this is interesting as well, I never assumed it was 1.5, etc. I always assumed that the .5 was a unique number.

My use of the .5 is that it may be either a pre-release wave 0.5 card (if the numbers refer to the waves of cards) or that it refers to an attack in a territory that is withdrawn.

I have been wondering if the 4 players were playing some kind of card game with the PPC cards.

Again, this is why I think a chat will be helpful.
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 		PURESPEC Just been surfing around the PXC websites and came across
Hubert Ling looking serious in a business suit. He also likes exotic travel and exotic women!! That explains why he noticed the red nails on the woman on earth?
He's a wanted man according to the PXC police. Link here: http://www.perplexcitypolice.com/mostwanted.html

I also checked missing persons too, but nothing found!

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I have trouble assuming the use of a Risk board simply because the numbers have to somehow give an answer, and if it is just a path thru territories that CT took while running, it has to give an answer somehow.

I agree that we shouldn't assume this. I think assuming that it is the answer is a mistake. However, I have had no other good ideas so I think it is worthwhile if only to eliminate the Risk portion.

The answer very well could be a country, yes? Perhaps a country in which the cube is hidden? It's not going to say what street to take or what tree it's buried next to, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were yet another piece of the five fingers thing.
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