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tipsila
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Re: vampires and werewolves and ghost oh my

Sylvia wrote:
now I'm even more confused, are we dealing with vampires or werewolves or both or neither? Further down on the page that you found about Varnae is this:

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The story in Marvel Comics Presents#63/4 requires several explanations. First, Varnae mentions he was known as Baal in Babylonia. Baal was not worshipped in Babylon, but in Phonecia, modern day Israel/Palestine. The gods of both the Babylonians and Palestinians were considered pagan and evil


I believe this is just the site author's disambiguation of the names in the comic series.

As for the werewolves or vampires (we mused about this before Wink ):

A werewolf (or lycanthrope) in folklore and mythology is a person who shapeshifts into a wolf, either purposely, by using magic, or after being placed under a curse. The medieval chronicler Gervase of Tilbury associated the transformation with the appearance of the full moon, but this concept was rarely associated with the werewolf until the idea was picked up by modern fiction writers. Most modern fiction agrees that a werewolf can be killed if shot by a silver bullet, although this was not a feature of folk legends. Werewolves are sometimes held to become vampires after death.[1]

Sylvia wrote:
And with that here is some research on Sir Walter Raleigh: Sir Walter Raleigh

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In 1587, Raleigh attempted a second expedition again establishing a settlement on Roanoke Island. This time, a more diversified group of settlers was sent, including some entire families, under the governance of John White. After a short while in America, White was recalled to England in order to find more supplies for the colony.


Seems like John White is more important here -- since he was the father of Eleanor Dare. Not much is known of John White, though.

Sylvia wrote:
Google has much on Sir Walter Raleigh but I will not go into anymore detail since Raleigh was not there when the Roanoke Island incident happened, I doubt he is as important here as perhaps Eleanor Dare is.


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Sylvia
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thanks tipsila, you showed me something that i had never heard of before. That's what I get for skimming and not reading.

tipsila wrote:
Werewolves are sometimes held to become vampires after death.[1]


And I agree with you on this:
tipsila wrote:
Seems like John White is more important here -- since he was the father of Eleanor Dare. Not much is known of John White, though.

I edited my last post to include some reference points to that fact.

I will repeat it here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

Sylvia wrote:
Here is some more research on Croatoan, John White, the father of Eleanor Dare and grandfather of Virginia Dare (the first baby born at the Roanoke Colony or for that matter the first English child born in the New World) and Ananias Dare, Eleanor's husband and Virginia's father.

Croatoan Island
CROATOAN
John White (surveyor)
Virginia Dare
Ananias Dare


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Sylvia wrote:
thanks tipsila, you showed me something that i had never heard of before. That's what I get for skimming and not reading.

tipsila wrote:
Werewolves are sometimes held to become vampires after death.[1]




Keep in mind too, that Arius mentioned shifting. He said in his chat to Hyexistenz that Lili learned how to shift:
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Sladius: Lili told me she had to memorize 30 pages of incantations in 2 days. She also said she learned how to Shift, but I don't believe her.
Sladius: I asked her to show me but she wouldn't.

Hyexistenzz: what's shifting?

Sladius: Shifting is having the ability to take the form of another human. During the dark times, and the burning times, we were able to do it, but Father won't teach it anymore because he said it's deceptive and very dangerous.


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oops sorry. Embarassed
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The new character of Eleanor Dare hits close to home.l I am a bit obsessed with the group of people from Appalachia known as The Melungeons. They are believed to have originated from members of the Lost Colony of Roanoke.

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During the 19th and 20th centuries, speculation on Melungeon origins continued, producing tales of shipwrecked sailors, lost colonists, hoards of silver, and ancient peoples such as the Carthaginians. With each author, more elements were added to the mythology surrounding this group, and more peoples were added to the list of possible Melungeon ancestors. The most influential of these early authors was probably Will Allen Dromgoole, who wrote several articles on the Melungeons in the 1890s. [26] More recent suggestions by amateur researchers as to the Melungeons' ethnic identity include Gypsy, Turkish, and Jewish, but there is no evidence that Melungeons themselves ever claimed any of those ancestries.


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The existence of fair skinned Indians in Roberson, North Carolina substantiates the theory that the Roanoke colonists and perhaps the abandoned Turks and Portuguese and Moors blended in with the Croatan and other Tidewater, Virginia Indian tribes, including the Powhatan and Lumbee Indians. Dr. Robert Gilmor, a Melungeon researcher, suggests the people of the legendary "Lost Colony of Roanoke" intermarried with the Powhatan Indians who had already intermarried with Jamestown Colony. Adding the surnames White and Dare to the Indian population.


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There is in Hancock County, Tennessee, a tribe of people known by the local name of Malungeons or Melungeons. Some say they are a branch of the Croatan tribe, others that they are of Portuguese stock. They differ radically, however, in manners and customs from the accounts which we have received of the Croatans (cf. 2 articles in The Arena for 1891, by Miss Will Allen Dromgoole). Mr. McMillan favors the view that they are a part of the colony of Roanoke, and on this question Mr. John M. Bishop, a native of East Tennessee, now living in Washington, writes to the author: "My theory is that they are a part of the lost colony of Roanoke. Your utterances at the recent meeting in this city on the subject of the Lost Colony of Roanoke



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tipsila
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Mountain Girl wrote:
The new character of Eleanor Dare hits close to home.l I am a bit obsessed with the group of people from Appalachia known as The Melungeons. They are believed to have originated from members of the Lost Colony of Roanoake.



Hmm, the Melungeons are a very interesting, and controversial topic. As a genealogist, I find them fascinating. Many of my ancestors were from Virginia and North Carolina before they moved farther west into Tennesse and Kentucky. Also, I have an anatolian ridge and shovel teeth -- maybe I am a descendant from Roanoke, lol.

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Sylvia
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[Puzzle] aim from EleanorDare1587

Eleanor just contacted me again:

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EleanorDare1587 (5:19:39 PM): I don't have time to talk but i have something for you.
Sylviaaaaaaaa (5:19:52 PM): go on
Sylviaaaaaaaa (5:20:14 PM): what do i have to do to get it
EleanorDare1587 (5:20:25 PM): hold on
Sylviaaaaaaaa (5:20:29 PM): ok
ATTENTION (5:21:32 PM): File Transfer session initiated.
EleanorDare1587 (5:21:39 PM): I'm senduing you a file
ATTENTION (5:21:41 PM): File transfer for cro.jpg is complete.
EleanorDare1587 (5:22:10 PM): I'll be in touch later.....
Sylviaaaaaaaa (5:22:21 PM): thank you
EleanorDare1587 signed off at 5:22:30 PM.


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It's Enochian & it deciphers to:

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I am a courier for gatewood, Things are going from bad to worse recently and I am really starting to worry. Father Enoch has been acting strangely as of late. I feel that something has changed within him. If you have dealings with him in the future, it may be in your best interest to keep an eye on him. All is not as it seems.

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Mountain Girl
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New MySpace message from Rouge Moon, and it's just as we suspected.

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I came home this afternoon to find my house totally ransacked. So far I haven't found anything missing, but the cops were here when I came home. They didn't catch the sons a bitches. Figures. The only spot that they didn't tear apart was the attic, as I'm guessing they were interrupted. My mom's stuff is over at my dad's house which is where my sister is living right now. He's actually not my real dad, but I've known him as a father since he was my mom's boyfriend when I was born, and I don't feel comfortable calling him Vincent.

I'm heading over there now and I'll hit u up when I find something.

Nancy

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It's good to know they didn't get to her mom's stuff, since we know that the page is somewhere in what she has left since her mom's passing Wink
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It seems as if the details from Caine's background could be decipherable from the Agrippa info.
For example using this chart, we surmise this is the symbol of a good spirit and it has something to do with a star of the second magnitude?







I stink at this sort of thing. Anybody with better eyes and the gift of astrology/alchemy want to give it a go?
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Mountain Girl wrote:
It seems as if the details from Caine's background could be decipherable from the Agrippa info.
For example using this chart, we surmise this is the symbol of a good spirit and it has something to do with a star of the second magnitude?







I stink at this sort of thing. Anybody with better eyes and the gift of astrology/alchemy want to give it a go?


No need to decipher. The center circle and the detail are from The Book of Ceremonial Magic by Arthur Edward Waite.

Center circle

detail is the Secret Seal of Solomon

EDITED: to fix link

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Here's a bit more information on some of the symbols on Caine's page.


This image;



is called the Hand of Fate or alternately the Hand of Fortune. It is used to draw planetary influences to guide the individual through life. Incorporating the Planetary Signs by the lines of fate on the hand, this amulet is worn to open up windows of Opportunity and to promote Happiness and Good Fortune.

Ok, next we'll take a look at this symbol in the upper right hand part of Caine's background image;



This is a version of the symbol that appears on the front cover of the book the Necronomicon, as seen here;



this symbol also appears on this page;



This symbol is a design originated by H.P. Lovecraft, the inventor of the Cthulu Mythos, the Gate is both a ward against and a doorway to the Elder Gods. The sign is, in a way, a graphical representation of Yog Sothoth (the Key and the Gate). For those foolhardy enough to try Necronomantic magick, this is a talisman powerful enough to protect you from becoming a TV snack for the inhuman gods of the mythos.

The next symbol is the one from the upper left hand side of Caine's background;



This is called the Travel Talisman or the Talisman of Safe Journeys;



Dating from Napoleonic times, this talisman worn next to the heart traditionally grants the wearer Safety on Journeys.

And finally there is this image;



This appears to be a composite image. The woman has been placed on top of another symbol. The symbol under the woman is known as the Sigil of Baphomet or the Baphomet Pentagram;



This symbol is also featured on the front of the Satanic Bible;



Here is a good source of information on the Sigil of Baphomet.


So, it appears that these symbols, as well as the seals of Solomon are all related to protection, safety and good fortune.

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JACKER

Just had a brief chat with Arius. He contacted me and sent some very important info and the word jacker in bold text.


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AriusXI (2:42:39 PM): Hello.

Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:42:57 PM): hello, how are you

AriusXI (2:43:21 PM): I am personally well, although outside influences wish me not.

Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:43:46 PM): what outside influences and why?

AriusXI (2:46:13 PM): There is a person by the name of Eleanor Dare. She is deceptive. Follow not the path she wishes you to take, as it will just lead you to misery and confusion. Keep moving foward, as you were on the right track.

Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:47:44 PM): ok, will do and thanks for letting me know

AriusXI (2:49:44 PM): Father tells me that there is a man pictured on the first page. I am not sure what his importance is, but it has something to do with Nancy.

Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:50:26 PM): yes, there is a man's picture there but i can't make out who it is

AriusXI (2:51:43 PM): He is one born of pure evil.

Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:55:21 PM): so he is the first one, can you give me any more insight on the matter when you get time
Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:55:43 PM): and what if anything Father Enoch says about him

AriusXI (2:56:16 PM): Of course. You will know all that I learn.

Sylviaaaaaaaa (2:56:26 PM): thank you

AriusXI (2:56:38 PM): May the Wolf guide you.


Not sure what to make of this but I believe the PM was letting us know that Eleanor Dare is not part of this game and is a gameJacker. Tell me what you guys think.

Other than that the important stuff seems to be:

How the guy pictured on the first page (the one born of Pure Evil) is related to Nancy.

for more info on The One Born of Pure Evil refer to this chat between Teri and Arius.

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I just (also) receieved a message from Arius. He told me there is some information that I (we) need to know. He said:

It involves getting information from a woman named Elanor Dare. She is not one of us, and I fear she just wishes only to lead you in the wrong direction. Keep moving foward, as you all were on the right track.

Also, he told me that Nancy's father is very ill, and she is staying by his side. He said the Sons of Loki have become powerful over the past decades. The closer they get to the pages, the more destruction they may cause. Prevent further chaos by obtaining the pages.

I asked if there was anything we could do to prevent others from being sickened, and he gave me a message to give to Nancy.

He said "Send this to message to Nancy, it may help block the dark magic that the SoL are using... Hakkatta Gomeiaa"

So I did. Now we wait to hear from her....

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