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libraryofbabel - 07-DEC-06 - Pathways
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ampetrizzo
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 		It struck me that Central Park is rectangular just like the key square is, so I tried mapping from there. As far as I can tell, it doesn't really work because there aren't enough diagonal roads, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It seems like key square being the starting spot for our number strings is just entirely too arbitrary. Seriously, who would think to start there?

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 		Mindez said:
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That would perhaps be more possible if you actually posted your sequence?


The sequence is the list of strings as shown in wiki. All I have tried is starting the appropriate meta string from one of the four appropriate starting points as pointed out by CT in the animation to obtain a letter. See .xls spreadsheet. This also explains why MC have dreamed up some strange sounding streetnames - MAGINE LANE!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I thought it was worth a try - just experimenting based upon information given!

On a further note, what is CT's motivation (apart from the obvious) to draw some squiggly lines and make a letter appear if not to lead us somewhere?

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Seriously, who would think to start there?

Yes, my thoughts exactly! Have we missed something? Confused

Edit: Changed some letters after closer inspection of streets.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:51 pm
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ampetrizzo wrote:
It struck me that Central Park is rectangular just like the key square is, so I tried mapping from there. As far as I can tell, it doesn't really work because there aren't enough diagonal roads, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It seems like key square being the starting spot for our number strings is just entirely too arbitrary. Seriously, who would think to start there?


BUT.

The actual chance of ANY location matching PERFECTLY with EVERY SINGLE STRING is... literally next to nothing. The fact that Key Square matches up with EVERYTHING makes me think it *definetely* is Key Square. Unless MC have purposely built two places that match exactly, but I really don't see that happening.

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CT is joining the points on the flash animation, so it may be worth someone else confirming my sequence in case there are mistakes - you also get a map with lots of wiggly lines.


Ah, I meant the sequence that you got out. Not the Order. Razz

I can't exactly confirm the Order, because that's fixed. So I thought that was what you meant.
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 		Tried applying the number string that we used to get "five fingers":

Code:

18 - 35 - 48 - 75 - 96 - 100 - 119 - 120 - 161 - 165 - 196

1   FRBPU LAFHP OSMLU CNIDY MENDB KIELG TPDOA AKILT IOFRB
46  PULAF HPOSM LUCNI DYMEN DBKIE LGTPD OAAKI LTIOF RBPUL
91  AFHPO SMLUC NIDYM ENDBK IELGT PDOAA KILTI OFRBP ULAFH
136 POSML UCNID YMEND BKIEL GTPDO AAKIL TIOFR BPULA FHPOS
181 MLUCN IDYME NDBKI ELGTP DOAAK ILTIO

18 - 35 - 48 - 75 - 96 - 100 - 119 - 120 - 161 - 165 - 196
I  - A  - L  - D  - S  - C   - A   - I   - A   - L   - E   

IALDSCAIALE


Anagrammed IALDSCAIALE, and the best thing that I can come up with is "ASIA CEDILLA" indicating an Asian country that uses French (a cidilla is a symbol put underneat certain "c"s in the French language), which would most likely be refering to countries Lebanon and Laos, or Indian territories Pondicherry, Mayotte, or Réunion where French is an official language, but could also reference other Asian countries where it is spoken unofficially.

About as much random work/spec that I'm putting in for now. Smile

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 		sorry, i had not seen this worked out, so i just wanted to do it again.
#29+ 1-14443432.5-3 NWWWSWSs/e
#58+ 2-21122214-4 ENNEEENW *(R)*
#29- 3-232.52.51.5-1 ESs/es/en/e
#58- 4-23232.534334-1 ESESs/eSWSSW
#40- 1-1144144414432.5-4 NNWWNWWWNWWSs/e
#40+ 2-11444414412-3 NNWWWWNWWNE
#63+ 3-34-1 SW
#60- 4-44444444111111111114-3 WWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNW
#60+ 1-414141414144144441-1 WNWNWNWNWNWWNWWWWN
#63- 2-414441141-1 WNWWWNNWN
#90- 3-433333334-2 WSSSSSSSW
#90+ 4-4444444443.5-1 WWWWWWWWWs/w *(S)*
#94+ 1-1114112321-1 NNNWNNESEN
#94- 2-4111111441-2 WNNNNNNWWN
#96- 3-44411414441444112.5-4 WWWNNWNWWWNWWWNNs/e
#136- 4-143334-3 NWSSSW
#96+ 1-222233332-4 EEEESSSSE
#188- 2-21121111221-4 ENNENNNNEEN
#136+ 3-2333234-1 ESSSESW *(D)*
#188+ 4-11122221412234-2 NNNEEEENWNEESW
#191- 1-344411444443-1 SWWWNNWWWWWS
#191+ 2-11444444444411111111444-2 NNWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNWWW
#192+ 3-3333322333332-4 SSSSSEESSSSE
#203+ 4-33223333234-4 SSEESSSESW
#192- 1-444444114411112-1 WWWWWWNNWWNNNNE
#218+ 2-4444433333323-2 WWWWWSSSSSSES
#203- 3-11144144144443-3 NNWWNWWNWWWWS
#222+ 4-1414411122-2 NWNWWNNNEE
#218- 1-44334-3 WWSSW *(L)*
#156+ 2-111221111112-4 NNNEENNNNNNE
#222- 3-34433333432-4 SWWSSSSSWSE
#235- 4-222233332222.5-1 EEEESSSSEEEs/e
#235+ 1-4444444434444444444443-4 WWWWWWWWSWWWWWWWWWWWWS
#237- 2-1222323-2 NEEESES
#236- 3-2112223-2 ENNEEES
#236+ 4-4333223323-3 WSSSEESSES
#250- 1-343-2 SWS
#156- 2-2232-4 EESE
#237+ 3-3333334433334-1 SSSSSSWWSSSSW
#250+ 4-3322333333333332-1 SSEESSSSSSSSSSSE
#253+ 1-1111211112-4 NNNNENNNNE
#253- 2-111114441114114-1 NNNNNWWWNNNWNNW

edit:added CT's 4 letters....and thanks for the support Rose!!!
-DH
(anyone else getting path's that run along key plaza too?)
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 		Has anyone tried using the different boldness of the number strings to come up with an order (i.e. increasing/decreasing boldness?) yet? This is the only 'facet' of the strings that, I think, hasn't been very well explained yet.

I was thinking of having a go, but I don't know how much time I have, plus I don't have all the cards to scan in (for easy comparison purposes). Throwing the idea out to the forum, anyway. Smile
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 		I dont have all the cards either, but the text could be a clue. Did we account for the orientation of the text on the cards yet? I'm having a bit of trouble following this one.

Does it seem likely that if we have the correct letter string, that the letter string is a coded message as well? And probably not an anagram ( but what do I know, i thought it was risk, so just ignore me)

Other ideas:
looking to another card for an answer?
something perverse in me makes me ask: could it be solitaire using the deck order from the cards? ( if so that would be a very sick puzzle)

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sorry, i had not seen this worked out, so i just wanted to do it again.



Don't be sorry. Thank you so much for posting that, I found it very helpful and I am sure that other players did as well.

Now - we just need to figure out the letter string.
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Infernux
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 		all of the card numbers have either a (1,2,3,4)-(sequence of numbers, one through four). Perhaps the starting number before the dash indicates what corner of the key plaza the parth starts at, and the other numbers tell you what direction to go in

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Infernux wrote:
all of the card numbers have either a (1,2,3,4)-(sequence of numbers, one through four). Perhaps the starting number before the dash indicates what corner of the key plaza the parth starts at, and the other numbers tell you what direction to go in


That is EXACTLY what has been done. Smile

The consensus output, from about 3-4 hours work by about 5-6 people, based on CT's message (ie. getting the <n>th letter of the street name you're on, where n is the number after the string, which is exactly the way CT did it):

FRBPULAFHPOSMLUCNIDYMENDBKIELGTPDOAAKILTIO

And before there's an outcry of "But maybe we don't start from Key Square!", let me tell you that the actual probability of EVERY SINGLE string working from any one place is so amazingly small that the chances of it happening anywhere else is almost laughable. Every single string fits around Key Square.
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Mindez wrote:

Every single string fits around Key Square.


...what about the string that puts us one street too far east and into the water? has this been disputed enough? (I don't remember which string, but will edit with it later)

has mind candy been asked about this?

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 		In an effort to decode this odd string (or to make it sensable enough that it would be recognized as a "solution" absent CT's prompting), I tried inserting the same letter of the intersecting street. At first, this looked promising . . . the string began F (O) R (T) B (A) P (T).

Unfortunately, it then dissolved. The next four were U (G) L (O) A (S) F (S) . . . so I stopped. I've tried adding/subtractinhg the letters together mod 26 to no avail. So I'm stumped again, but I thought I'd post this apparent dead end.

Also, regarding other people's ideas . . . I agree that this can't be an anagram -- why would we need an order from CT if we were just going to mess that order up by anagraming? Similarly, I think there must be something either with the interecting streets and/or the length of the path we took, since several strings (191+, 222+) have a number repeating at the end of the path, which would be unneccessary to get the letters we now have.

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 		he's fallen in the water
There are 3 strings which are a bit odd, but the others fit so well, going along the "right" path, ie often going straight on until they hit a main road, that it all feels right. I've tried chaining them and that doesn't work.
The odd ones for me are
191+ because it ends in W,W,W. As people have remarked, why do you need three of them. Given that there have been typos before, and we should look out for a correction appearing, I think this may serve to confirm this approach. You're on a street which starts VE and you take the second letter. If the third W was a mistake and should have been N or S, you would be on another street which also starts VE.
222+ Same problem because it ends E,E. (? a mistake because of all the 2's). If the last direction should have been N or S, the answer would be L instead of E.
235- The one where you end up in the water. The answer would be R instead of P if you're supposed to swim.
I loved doing this. Only sorry that I was 3 days late in reading that there was a new clue, so couldn't join in the fun.
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 		Order Spec
Speculation about the order thing
Ok, I'm just shooting here - first post and all that. Speccing so that anyone who joins a bit late like me can be saved the bother of saying this again. (ha. originally mistyped "saved" as "solved" - optimism, eh?)

CT gave us an order, but for a reason we've not yet fathomed.
It's not to do with chaining the directions.
Common sense *does* tell us that the text we've acquired isn't an anagram - otherwise an order would be pointless.

What importance could the order have?
The way I see it, it doesn't affect the meaning of the text inherently (we've all done enough anagrams for that not to be an issue), but rather it affects the meaning of the text in relation to something. Either - the meaning of the text in relation to its encoding, or in of the letters in relation to each other.

Anyway. I'm working on a list of the letters and the number of steps we took to get there - will update this with a list in the next 30 minutes.

** UPDATE **

Ok, here's a list. Sorry for shoddy formatting. The *** denotes a break in child-string (ie every 4 terms). Basically, I counted how many steps we took to arrive at each location, as per earlier spec. I then summed each group depending on whether each string was + or -, and ignoring that fact. The total in [x] is taking the orientation into account. The total in (x) is the total ignoring that fact. I tried using the number of steps as a simple substitution key, but it came back pretty meaningless. Anyway, the first few terms ended up as NZWFH, which seemed dead-end.

F: 8 (+)
R: 8 (+)
B: 5 (-)
P: 10 (-)
**** Group Totals To: [1] / (31)
U: 13 (-)
L: 11 (+)
A: 2 (+)
F: 20 (-)
**** Group Totals To: [-20] / (46)
H: 18 (+)
P: 9 (-)
O: 9 (-)
S: 10 (+)
**** Group Totals To: [10] / (46)
M: 10 (+)
L: 10 (-)
U: 17 (-)
C: 6 (-)
**** Group Totals To: [-23] / (44)
N: 9 (+)
I: 11 (-)
D: 9 (+)
Y: 7 (+)
**** Group Totals To: [14] / (36)
M: 14 (-)
E: 12 (+)
N: 23 (+)
D: 13 (+)
**** Group Totals To: [34] / (4Cool
B: 11 (-)
K: 15 (+)
I: 13 (-)
E: 14 (+)
**** Group Totals To: [5] / (53)
L: 10 (-)
G: 5 (+)
T: 12 (-)
P: 11 (-)
**** Group Totals To: [-28] / (33)
D: 12 (+)
O: 22 (-)
A: 7 (-)
A: 7 (+)
**** Group Totals To: [-10] / (3Cool
K: 10 (-)
I: 3 (-)
L: 4 (+)
T: 13 (+)
**** Group Totals To: [4] / (40)
I: 16 (+)
O: 10 (-)
**** Group Totals To: [6] / (26)

Total of all terms: [-7] / (445)

Not sure how much use that'll be. It was interesting that the whole thing didn't end in 0 - given that we have the same strings reversed, etc. Anyway. Maybe someone can pick something out of this - we've been given an order for a reason, this is just one application of it.

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 		OK, started reworking throught these.... and i have a few problems...

#40- 1-1144144414432.5-4 NNWWNWWWNWWSs/e
40- has one too FEW W's to line up with s/e.... and

#60- 4-44444444111111111114-3 WWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNW
60-would go right off the map.
(and that's just with the 2nd group of 1-4; i'll post all my lines plotted out tonight...)
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drinkmonsters wrote:
Mindez wrote:

Every single string fits around Key Square.


...what about the string that puts us one street too far east and into the water? has this been disputed enough? (I don't remember which string, but will edit with it later)


I've been through every string and I've been able to fit every single one on the map. So I don't know which you're talking about?

DarkHuman wrote:

#60- 4-44444444111111111114-3 WWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNW
60-would go right off the map.
(and that's just with the 2nd group of 1-4; i'll post all my lines plotted out tonight...)


As I posted, the top-down map is missing some streets. It works if you use the map on the back of the cards.
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