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Herah
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 		Re: Mod
volvox wrote:
Maybe "mod" is telling us to find the remainder or leftovers from something? Maybe the letter string derived from the key square routes?


I showed the Risk symbols and dice to my husband last night, and he asked, "What about the dice left over after resolving the combat?" (The lowest red die in each set)?

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Scribe wrote:
Hmm, one way of tying codons/DNA together with MODs and the letters is to simply MOD(4) each letter down to 0>3 (i.e. A is 0, B is 1 ... E is 0, F is 1, G is 2...) and then associate these with the 4 DNA bases (A/C/G/T?) - then maybe some DNA molecule is produced that has a place name as its name or something I don't really know now.

I'm not a molecular biologist (phew), so this is all to be treated as random spec. But some simple maths would mean that there are 14 triplets/codons as a result (14 / 3) - does this sound plusible then to anyone with the knowledge?


Hiya Scribe...I'm a confused molecular biologist Smile

there are 64 possible DNA codons and 61 of these encode amino acids (many of them the same amino acids), 3 encode stop signals. I think the crucial part of your method is how you associate the 4 DNA bases with the letters, and it feels a bit over-extended to me, if you know what I mean Smile There's not that nice logical click.

However if a DNA sequence is produced then it is possible to search for it in the NCBI database here.

You don't get a single result, but I would assume that they'd have chosen something unique, but it's not a fool-proof way of doing it as records change and are updated. Location information could be present in the record in a number of different ways (author location, sample location, etc) depending on the type of record...being self-indulgent and big-headed...see one I submitted here, the lovely S1.43. I think any code would have to have a single answer and this is not a good way to do it.

I enjoyed knowing something for a change...hooray! Smile I disappear back to ignorance now, work your mathematical magic...
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 		Thanks MikeyJ, that's the kind of community knowledge I need to stop me going off on spec-tastic tangents Wink
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regentswift
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 		Re: dots
mrsE wrote:
That seems a bit obscure, even for MC.


Admittedly, it's a long shot, but I did notice this:

The number from the Insights card has 28 digits.

Once we've broken up the letters into our 3 letter 'chunks' we have 14 chunks. This leaves 2 numbers per 'chunk'.

Maybe someone else can get something from this. Or maybe I'm way off.

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ramsfan
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 		what's in a sign
I'm not sure what the percent signs mean, possibly frequency analysis of letters. I did toy with the idea of the letter string being latin. That was partly because the first letters on pathways were LRSD, which made me think of left right, sinister dexter. I think the clock, and the mod are telling us to combine two strings and modding the remainder (if that's the correct term) ie either subtracting or adding the values of letters. Finally the key is telling us we need a key, ie a word. I've been trying borges, jorgeluisb, shovel etc. The only joy I had was when I tried percnt. when I reversed it, i.e. used the normal alphabet as though it was the cipher, I got "the" as the first three letters. After that it was gibberish. I did think that the 3 letter strings on the corkscrew might indicate that we needed different keys for each set of 3 letters but nothing else was forthcoming. I've tried combining various pairs, e.g. the letters as they come out according to the key square, the paired strings and going backwards after the central ME. No joy so far.
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 		As per previously, are there any answers to (or clues on) cards that might provide another hint? I don't believe we were supposed to find a random string of letters and then just work out that they needed to be transmogrified....
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Bonz
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A quick search on Google, reveals that a 12 hour flight from NYC takes you to:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Cairo, Israel, or Auckland!


Of course, this information only came from the first few matches. There's probably many more places where the cube could be. Needless to say, I really hope it isn't buried anywhere like this...


I think I'm right in saying that if we took into account the time difference when crossing the time zones, a 12 hour flight would take you somewhere in the United Kingdom.

e.g. New York (JFK) - London Heathrow

Length of Flight - 6 hours 40 minutes
Time Difference - 5 hours
Total amount of Time - 11 hours 40 minutes

(I don't think this has been mentioned so thought I'd just put it up here)
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 		Has the thought occured to anyone else that all the fancy graphics & "clues" are just there to wind us up, and the actual location won't become clear until the last CT update (whenever that is)?
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 		While I'll admit that such a scenario is possible, I know that if I were in Mind Candy's shoes I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to leave actual clues. It'd be too much fun.

Admittedly, I can certainly see Mind Candy withholding the last necessary clue until Combed Thunderclap's final update, but to make these updates without putting any real clues into them just wouldn't seem like much fun to me.

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ABPositive
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 		But MC in various forms have said "everything needed to find the cube is there". We technically had all the clues before this update, I think we're just getting more.

Modesto, CA isn't a 12 hour flight from NYC, but from reading the thread I'm not certain why 12 is so ascertained except from clocks... What if it is near modesto? Is Receda pronounced with a soft or hard C? There is a Reseda, CA... Very Happy

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 		I believe it's pronounced Re-KAY-da.

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[PCGF]Jay
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 		Is it? Huh, I've been pronouncing it as Re-see-da
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 		re-see-da/ re-kay-da
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Is it? Huh, I've been pronouncing it as Re-see-da


well according to Guy in the Ask Mind Candy vid on you tube its re-kay-da... it was news to me too.



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 		Re: re-see-da/ re-kay-da
If you listen to the podcasts it's definitely a hard c sound.
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AtionSong
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 		Quick Lesson In Modding
This is the first thing that came to my mind with "mod", which is the mathematical meaning of the term.

AtionSong's Brief Lesson in Mathematical Mods
Basically, a mod is just a fancy way to express a subtraction problem with a remainder. Take, for example, mod 4 (which would be my guess for a mod key, as there are 4 dots).

The following is a table of numbers in mod 4:

4 (mod 4) = 0
5 (mod 4) = 1
6 (mod 4) = 2
7 (mod 4) = 3
8 (mod 4) = 0
...
72 (mod 4) = 0
73 (mod 4) = 1
74 (mod 4) = 2
75 (mod 4) = 0
etc.

The first number is the starting number, the second is what the first number is divided by, and the third number is the remainder.

Not sure how to use this, but just wanted to put it out there.

EDIT: fixed, now mod 4

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