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angadeon
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Take, for example, mod 3 (which would be my guess for a mod key, as there are 3 dots).


Um... *watches again* ...I see four dots.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:47 pm
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Oh, one small thing. If you compare the line of dots to the map, it kind of looks like they might refer to the big road to the right of Key Square, aka "The Shift". I've a feeling this backs up the ROT-style "shift each letter X places", but instinct is a funny beast... Smile
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yeah, i see 4 dots, so i did it all in dot 4. got (grouping the #'s by 3's)
333, 121, 231, 100, 212, 332, 122, 231, 302, 210, 111, 022, 021, 120

but your dot3 would be totaly diffrent....but i see 4 dots too.
love how the first group came out 333.
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EM + rot-4 = IQ

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Ok, here's the line I'm trying to think down...

#5. Letters: A swift and simple kick in the arse to solving the first joker, #223 - Secret Location. In the card we have five books with secret location, and in the meta-puzzle we are told we will need to answer five aspects of the cubes secret location.

#6. Ticks: Coordinate system that seems to give a specific order to the 42 Strings. #253 - Sightseeing, 3D coordinate system that gives a starting point for the 42 Strings.

#7. Pathways: Demonstrates usage of 42 Strings to obtain street names and one letter from each. #250 - Manoeuvres, Demonstrates chess moves for which we are to find names and take one letter from each for the answer.

#8. Flying: Step 1, Several "dials" of letters spinning, specific combinations spell out words. Step 2, Letters in triplets spin down the screen. Step 3, Single "dial" spins to reveal words.

Perhaps a relationship to #058 - Breaking and Entering, spin 3 dials of 5 digits each, one at a time, until the right one is found.
With that in mind, card #058 is one of those with risk men/dice, which, if you look at it, demonstrates 3 sequential battles of 5 dice each. Coincidence?

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Does the Percent symbol remind anyone of the number pairs? where the O's represent the number strings? I mean why were the numbers paired to begin with - was that just random and then they were reordered properly?

Why do pairs though?

I don't have any good ideas. I thought the percent symbol was a division symbol ... maybe it means a dividing line?

Anyway: i don't see it spelling OD (although maybe DO?) it looks like the line move is telling us something else not making a letter. That the order of the symbols and the way they move matters.

Also, I don't see MOD at all.
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Basic Stuff

The first part of the post seems to be like a CRYPTEXT, the second part looks like a CYLENDAR CODE ie a long list of letters wraped around a tube that showes a mesage..

I am interested in the % - Mod...

What size tube?

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rose wrote:
I thought the percent symbol was a division symbol ... maybe it means a dividing line?


I thought the same as an initial gut reaction - but discounted it later on looking at the stills of the mod stuff.

The m is faint, but clearly there - I think there is a still on the first page of the thread.

The basis for my thinking about divide was 'Half the World' - but pronouced Halve the world.

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Just to keep you guys thinking, what if the 4 dots stood for 4 letters, and MOD isn't MOD at all... but MOOL. Which means main or root in Sikh..
Main key/ root key.... anyone...?

Or i believe in Belgium is a city called MOOL, maybe its burried there?...

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back to basics (again)

So I was talking this over a bit with some friends last night and this was the basic conclusion:

1. This puzzle- the number string turned letter string- is complex with a number of variables.

2. The fundamental point of any update relating to this puzzle is to simplify the number of variables thereby making it less confusing. (Instead of more information making it more confusing which is what I usually feel.)

3. What did we learn in previous updates that simplified the puzzle?

a. first we learned that the PPC map was the context of the puzzle - not Risk or anything else - even though we didn't pick up on it and run with it from the update - Ticks was obviously telling us to look at the map and that every turn on the streets mattered. Also, didn't Ticks show us how to order the number pairs?

b. second we learned that the Key Square is important and how the number strings work. We learned that the first digit is the position on the square, the middle number strings are the directions and the third digit is the letter to use.

So in what way is this update simplifying the puzzle? Maybe if we approach it from the simplest, most obvious point we can get somewhere.

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This doesn't address the question that interests me as to why the puzzle was skillfully designed so that both the first digit (the position) and the third digit (the letter) were only a number of 1,2,3, or 4. And why the puzzle was designed to resemble the Risk set-up so closely.

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About CT and this story he or she ( For simplicity, I'm just saying he from now on in this post) is telling us. I personally don't believe that CT is a passive person to whom all these things happen out of nowhere. The story CT is telling removes all responsibility for action from him. I don't believe that is true.

I think that CT was involved or, if not directly part of the gang, knew about the plot to steal the Cube. (After all, who hid the information about the theft on the You Are Cordially Invited card? CT is the best candidate for that, although I supposed Aiko could have done so if she was an accomplice. ) I think that CT didn't expect to end up on Earth, realized that the 3P would be after him and hid the Cube. Hiding the Cube makes sense anyway because how could he carry it around.

Now if the Cube is arranging these things - it would have to be doing them on its own -without CT even thinking of them? I can possibly see the Cube ending up on Earth with CT because CT was thinking about Earth or something at the moment, but to arrange plane tickets, a handy bag the right size ( how the Cube got through check-in on a plane is also impossible to believe, but I can overlook that for the sake of the story), and, now, a shovel? And if the Cube is doing this - it clearly wants to be hidden...so why are we finding it? Perhaps it just wants to be hidden until the right people can find it? But we will just give it back to Mind Candy and return it to PPC, I think, so what then?

I just don't believe him. I am willing to assume the truth of the basic outline of his journey but not much more. Also, I am having a difficult time envisioning a scenario in which CT survives. We don't know his identity but I think that someone from PPC could figure it out. Probably CT decided his chances of survival are slim as well, unless he can remain hidden for the rest of his life.

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On the most recent netcast from ARGNet the question was raised as to whether people are collaborating on solving this puzzle and finding the Cube. I think that, yes, people are definitely collaborating - the wiki is updated with all the card information that we have ( I think, I don't have all the cards yet) . I think this puzzle is much harder than any of the silver puzzles that we have had but I do think that we can solve it.

So maybe it doesn't appear that we are collaborating because we are advancing so slowly. Sometimes people just don't have anything to add because we are simply stuck and waiting for insight, inspiration or, failing that, another update. Smile

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Noizzzey wrote:
Just to keep you guys thinking, what if the 4 dots stood for 4 letters, and MOD isn't MOD at all... but MOOL. Which means main or root in Sikh..
Main key/ root key.... anyone...?

Or i believe in Belgium is a city called MOOL, maybe its burried there?...


Unlikely. I think the percent symbol and mod appearing close together like that cannot be a coincidence, it's obviously telling us that there is some moding to be done.

So we have two options, the string we have so far is a key, or it's the cryptext.

I'm also wondering if the four points on key square that we start from are somehow significant. The animation show the percent symbol, a key (presumably a reference to key square) and four dots.

So the question now is are there outstanding meta-puzzles that need to be pulled in?

(Could be related to the diamond rubies sapphires etc in IR ink on going dotty, which no use has been found for)

edit: a couple of notes on the groups of 3. There are three rows of letters on a standard keyboard, and three letters in an IATA airport code
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IATA_airport_code

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Could the mod be as simple as putting the letters back in the original sequence from the cards? And then maybe that is the cryptext?

I don't understand how the funnel would work with these letters but it could be a good idea.

Dunno, like I said - what is the simplest, most obvious message from this update?

If it is MOD - which seems the best first guess - I didn't know until late last night that a percent sign stands for MOD - then we need to look at how the letters are manipulated in the flash?
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The only thing that came to me when I saw this using the MOD and the ME highlighted in the text, and the key symbol, I was thinking of something along the lines of :

The KEY is MODEM or MODE M ? MODEM is the KEY ??

This is probably not very useful but does this mean anything to anyone?

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I'v been following (at a great distance) as you astute puzzle scouts part the fog but I wanted to add a random thought in case it helped ... Hopefully it won't hinder at least...

With all the clocks and this in this recent update the idea of clockwise rotation seems clear...

But how to use it?

Do the original number strings allow themselves to fit the map as well as they did to acquire the current number string if after each set of four number strings you rotate the starting points?

as an example (i forget the actual starting points) the first set is derived from:

12
43

Using the next four strings you rotate to:

41
32

and so on for each set of four. It seesm unlikely that it coudl fit nearly so well but who knows.

Does this spark up any other thoughts for anyone?

I'm at work and cannot even test it so forgive the open ended suggestion without more evidence...

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I'm not sure why I didn't think of this before, but when I was reading toongoon's last post I remembered that when I was learning about mod in maths we used a kind of clock diagram. I couldn't find my textbook but a quick google search threw up the following:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ModularArithmetic.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Congruence.html

Not sure if that means anything more to anyone else but I'm away not to play with the letter string and mod12/mod24/mod60...

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