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Library of Babel - Flying
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 		Right rant
Yes well sorry about last night's rant.
What's the difference between Alan Turing and me?
He was a genius. I'm not
He could solve things. I can't.
My cat walks back and forth across the laptop, trying to prove some feline point. Alan Turing didn't have a cat, I mean a laptop.
I have to put up with Celebrity Big Brother while I'm trying to solve stuff. Alan Turing might have enjoyed Celebrity Big Brother. Shame.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:10 pm
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sirichj
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 		Syllables
Just looking back at the text from the first part of the clue with the combination lock, something struck me about the number of syllables in each line of text, they run as follows for each line (starting with "and flying" :

3 3 5 3 3 5 5 5 3 5 5 3 4 3 4 4 4 4 2 3 3 2 4 4 3

As you can see the first part of the message is symmetrical for syllables, the lines run 3 3 5 3 3 5 then 5 5 3 5 5 3 syllables in each line, after this the message becomes disrupted and there is no pattern to the number of syllables in each line.

I don't know if this is any help with anything it just seems too much of a coincidence that the message is arranged in this way.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:10 pm
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 		running with my highlighting theory i checked CT's other 'movies'. i was suprised to find out that this was the only one that could be highlighted. i also took the time to watch the entire 'movie' highlighted. nothing interesting. but when highlighted the rotating 'compass' (i think thats what people have been calling it) does indeed leave a faint trail behide it which is greatly pronounced when highlighted. once again, most likely all useless. i just think its interesting that its the only one i could highlight.

P.s. when i first saw the 'compass' it reminded me of an old-school aeroplane propeller. maybe that's what it represents, considering the movie is titled "FLYING".

EDIT: i actually could highlight dissolution now that i went back and did it again.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:13 am
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 		I was wondering who else has tried the cylindar method? Any luck?

I created 3 columns of letters, 14 letters each and I have been playing with this a bit in the hopes that some sort of message would fall out by rotating the rings. The message in my mind would be read across each line much like the helix in Flying. Also, much like his original message: "I stole the Cube..."

This could maintain the order that was so diligently expressed but still possible justify the letter distribution. This becomes much more difficult if it is also a cryptext on top of that but the Cube is quite valuable.

F R B
P U L
A F H
P O S
M L U
C N I
D Y M
E N D
B K I
E L G
T P D
O A A
K I L
T I O

If any one feels that this is a plausible course of action I'm sure someone brighter than I could write some code that would find anything faster than my ramshackle paper puzzle tube.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:15 pm
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 		probably troutable but does a Mod shift or shift mod mean anything to you crypto type people?

looking as though the key in the flash is key square and the dots represent the buildings to the right of it, the mod symbol lies on a street called 'The shift'

could be nothing but thought i'd share
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:04 am
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 		Clutching at straws
Ok, here's what I've done.

It has been suggested that the FRBP . . . etc may have something to do with a hangman 4,8,4 letter type clue (16 letter answer), so what I did was to work along the partial solve of FRBP . . . taking the 4th, 8th then 4th letter of the string until I had a 16 letter solution, this gave me;

pscyeparlpiekoio

This didn't make much sense, but there are a few interesting anagrams such as;

PS REPLICA KEY POOL and

ACROPOLIS KEY PIPE

Doubt this is if any use, just trying a few things

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:18 am
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 		What about the latest update? Does the X and Y correlated with the missing A and B mean anything to anyone?

Like maybe X=A Y=B Z=C A=D B=E ....etc?

Or maybe he is referring to the axis on a graph?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:40 pm
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 		Persian
Just been doing some background reading and trying to tie up some loose ends, we know that there are 2 jokers in the card sets, one is the Secret Location card which gave us the partial solve, the other card is Persian which, up until now has not been linked to anything (as far as I know). The card does not seem to have any link between its title and answer so maybe it is linked to the LoB updates in the same way as Secret Location is.

This leads me to think of 2 things :

Maybe the partial solve that we have spells out something if typed on one of the keyboard layouts mentioned in the Persian card ? Perhaps the mod clue was to modify the keyboard to type the partial solve and see what it spells out?

My other idea is to do with the revolving/clock/compass text part towards the end of the 'flying' message. The only invention accredited to Persia is the windmill. Perhaps this is a link with the rotation, the arms of a windmill, therefore perhaps the cube is located near to or inside a windmill?

After this research I also found out the following :

The windmill

The windmill, which stands today on Longchamp racecourse was once part of a monastery. Nestled opposite the Suresnes pond, the first stone was laid on 12 June 1256 by king Saint Louis. The windmill was demolished with the rest of the abbey when the clerics were banished during the revolution. It was rebuilt on the same foundations when the course was renovated in 1856. The roof and a wing were partially destroyed during a bombardment on 4 April 1943 and repaired again in 1949.

Since 1957, the Prix du Moulin has appeared on the card at Longchamp. It is a Group 1 race for entire horses and mares of 3 and over run at the beginning of September over 1,600 m

The totaliser
This highly original building housed the Longchamp totaliser from 1927 to 1972. The totaliser, an ingenious Australian invention was a forerunner to the computer: on racedays the stakes would be posted in the small skylight cut into the facade.

In 2000, France Galop gave this historically valuable neo-Norman building a complete facelift.

The Caucasian Pterocarya
Longchamp boasts two of the most magnificent arboreal specimens in the French capital…two Caucasian Pterocaryas, one which stands near the totaliser building and the other near the workshops. No less than 33 metres high and 6.80 metres in trunk circumference, these beauties are only marginally smaller than an Oriental Plane trees in Parc Monceau which measures no less than 7.05 m in circumference.


Maybe the cube is in Paris?

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 		Re: Persian
sirichj wrote:
Maybe the partial solve that we have spells out something if typed on one of the keyboard layouts mentioned in the Persian card ? Perhaps the mod clue was to modify the keyboard to type the partial solve and see what it spells out?


I like this idea, however have tried going from Dvorak to Qwerty and from Qwerty to Dvorak and got nothing. Wonder if I may have missed something though as the basic idea seems to make sense.

Dvorak to Qwerty gave:
YONRFPAYJRS;MPFILHTMDLHNVGDPUKRHSAAVGPKGS

Qwerty to Dvorak gave:
UPXLGNAUDLROMNGJBCEFM.BEXTCNIYLERAATCNYCR
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 		sirichj, I am quoting you from the Persian card thread, but I think this reply is better posted here...

sirichj wrote:
Persian rugs are famous worldwide


...aren't they famous for having a deliberate error woven into them?
The story goes (and I'm not sure if it is true or apocryphal) that the original Persian rug makers who were deeply religious held that nothing can or should be as perfect as God, so they introduced a small deliberate flaw into every one of their creations.

Just a passing thought... perhaps its just an in-joke to do with all the card errors Laughing (no offence, by the way, MC... Wink), or it may be something more??? Could there be some sort of (deliberate) error on this card?
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 		rugs
Quote:
the difference between Persian and Turkish styles of rug-making. (It's in the knots, asymmetric or "Sennea" knots most common in Persian rugs, Symmetrical or "Ghiordes" knots common in Turkish. Knots are hand-tied. It takes a long time to make a rug.) Ask him about the archeology of rug making. (The oldest loom was found in Iraq, the oldest rug in Siberia, woven around 400 BC.) Have him explain the religious and tribal significance of the patterns and colors. Many designs, such as the cross, have different meanings depending on the culture of the weaver. Floral patterns are popular with nomadic tribes, for example, who's hard life includes flowers only in their rug patterns. Hand-woven rugs also include a deliberate fault. In these cultures, only God is perfect, so to weave a perfect rug would be to invite the evil eye. So the weaver saves himself from harm by adding imperfections of color or design.


Seems you are right Cabbage!

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 		Re: Persian
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The Caucasian Pterocarya
Longchamp boasts two of the most magnificent arboreal specimens in the French capital…two Caucasian Pterocaryas, one which stands near the totaliser building and the other near the workshops. No less than 33 metres high and 6.80 metres in trunk circumference, these beauties are only marginally smaller than an Oriental Plane trees in Parc Monceau which measures no less than 7.05 m in circumference.[/b]


Maybe the cube is in Paris?


Ive had a look at Parc Monceau ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parc_Monceau) some interesting things
it has a windmill which as you said only invention accredited to Persia
a few famous, statues:
Guy de Maupassant wrote short stories which were anti war even a story called La Parure about precious necklace lost at a ball/party. Story deals with reality of things.

Chopin, Gounod, Ambroise Thomas all composers with Thomas having an opera called Hamlet whch seems to be cropping up in some places. Also in ticks CT talk about hearing his favourite composer who could be one of them.

There also one of Édouard Pailleron who was in the first dragoon regiment (risk piece) and wrote a play called Revue des deux mondes (Review of the two worlds.)

In 1797, it was the site of the first silk parachute jump ( Ascendancy Point jump http://www.perplexcitysentinel.com/archives/2006/05/thrillseeker_ju.html)

Before anyone starting looking for their spade I doubt it is there. I seen clues which seemed to lead to the south of england and also france and can normally link them somehow to the game. Just thought id show as this one did have a few more coections than normal






Oh if it is there I want at least 15% Wink
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 		Cut of the moolah
Well if it is there I want a cut of the money too lol.

The problem with the game is that there are so many clues, most of which are ambiguous, and you can make any place within reason a prime site for the location of the cube.

This is about my third idea where the cube could be, all of which made sense at the time, there must be something that we're missing to be more specific as to where it is, or there are more updates imminent and then it'll be a race to the finish lol !

Good luck, it won't be me who finds it as I have no way to get anywhere to look, unless it's in my garden Wink

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 		CT has gone somewhere!
I've noticed that no one has mentioned this yet but CT got handed a small turquoise book with blank pages. On the front it said: Laissez Passer, Nations Unies. Now obviously nations unies translates as united nations, but a Laissez Passer is a travel document which the Consulate will issue to those holding a passport not valid in Brazil/issued by a Government not recognized by the Brazilian Government, and who have requested an entry visa to Brazil. Since that update CT has not travelled untill this update, meaning that CT is now in or will be going to Brazil!

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 		Re: CT has gone somewhere!
a11420151425 wrote:
I've noticed that no one has mentioned this yet but CT got handed a small turquoise book with blank pages. On the front it said: Laissez Passer, Nations Unies. Now obviously nations unies translates as united nations, but a Laissez Passer is a travel document which the Consulate will issue to those holding a passport not valid in Brazil/issued by a Government not recognized by the Brazilian Government, and who have requested an entry visa to Brazil. Since that update CT has not travelled untill this update, meaning that CT is now in or will be going to Brazil!


I'm guessing you got that from a brazilian consulate website....

A Laissez Passer is a document used to travel from one country to another where the person in question does not have a passport or conventional Identification documents. I believe any country in the UN can issue one, which is valid to travel to whichever country issued it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-passer

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