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Sunny du Pree
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Email Iris She wants to join Our Band of Wishers

Dear Sunny,

I have been thinking long and hard about the revelation that you are a part of some huge group of people who meet on the internet and research cases. I am hoping that you would be willing to introduce me to more of your brethren, as I feel that it is a lack of knowledge that is causing me to feel wary of you all. Phyllis seems to feel that if I would only get to know you as she does, I would come to understand you are all a powerful force for good, or some such
thing.

So, I am open to speaking with as many of you who wish to tell me about themselves. I am most interested to know who you all are, where you come from and why you do these sorts of investigations from afar. Wouldn't you all be more interested in doing the real-life, actual investigation, rather than sifting through data fed to you from other sources? Also, could someone please explain to me how your group works and how you disseminate information? It seems that I have broken some rules or other and that my emails are being posted somewhere. I fear that I am upset at being held to certain standards or rules when I do not even know that they exist! Phyllis suggested that perhaps I could join your group, so please let me know how I can go about doing so. It may prove helpful on future cases.

I hope you can help me, Sunny.

Iris

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Re: Email Iris She wants to join Our Band of Wishers

Sunny du Pree wrote:
Also, could someone please explain to me how your group works and how you disseminate information? It seems that I have broken some rules or other and that my emails are being posted somewhere. ...
Phyllis suggested that perhaps I could join your group, so please let me know how I can go about doing so. It may prove helpful on future cases.


Kewlness! Laughing
It also seems to be an invite to future games that the Iris Page character is involved in.

We should also tell her about AIM! That would be fun....
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Why does she want all this "personal" information about us?
I don't trust her.
She should be finding out stuff through her contacts in the 'nether world in Phyllis' home, not *us* telling her too much stuff.

I think the chat idea is great.
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konamouse wrote:
Why does she want all this "personal" information about us?


As a scientist I can see why she want to know who we are. It is like seeing your doctor's medical diploma on the wall, or seeing PhD after a name in a scientific article. She needs a way to tell if we are giving her informatin that is accurate or information that is bogus and misleading.

Scientific work has references, places to check the information that they are basing new research on. If it is based on sloppy research then chances are the new information is sloppy research as well.
A few years ago there was a big hoo hoo about Cold Fusion. They had done their homework and the background information did check out, unfortunately other labs tried to reproduce the results and were not able to do so, so the "Cold Fusion" paper was deemed false and should not be sited in new research.

I'm not saying to giver Iris all your personal background, i.e. I don't think she wants to know how many brothers and sisters you have, where you live, what you think of the president... what she wants to know is, "why are you interested in Aglaura?" "What are your credintials?" "How can I trust you are not a crackpot feeding me false information? (i.e. not an insider12)"
I told here my real life name. I told her I found this while randomly surfing through Bulliten boards, which is true. I found CTW while browsing the different groups over at Yahoo (I did not name names of the Yahoo or UF, since they are "off limits, and I don't want to do anything that might imply that they become in game) ... Where I went to College, what degrees I have, the type of industry I work in currently, and why I have a strong "suspension of disbelief." I presented my credentials, without giving her my resume. I also pointed out my e-mail address, told her I had heard she wanted to hear from us from Sunny or Barbara (couldn't remember which), and she would probably be contacted by others who are interested, that there are some who might feed her disinformation (without naming names, she will have to ask for specifics before I do that) and that there are several Intant Messenger Programs, named 3, and told her I have the AIM nickname of Magesteff.

In my view as a scientist her request is reasonable. If you don't want to give out that information you don't have to do so. Just keep in mind that how you answer that request will color how she interacts with you.
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I feel if she has already been given info that has proven true ie, that the little girl was Sarah and the Ash Grove Park thing, that should be credential enough. Phyllis brought her in as the professional and if she is paying her then Phyllis can tell her to talk to us.

I am concerned we start having the same problem of e-mails meant for and by others start showing up in her mail box or that someone thinks joining means she gets to come her and to CD.

I don't trust her for a few reasons. First she contacted Phyllis of all the people experiencing strange things. The Library has gotten much more coverage, but that wasn't who Iris called.
Second, It is out of character that JD is ok with this, especially the notices about his home on the Aglaura homepage. I would think he has sufficiant cloat to keep those stories under wrap. Only the Don would be able to make JD endure this noteriety. I think we need to wait and see alittle more before we spill our guts. She may turn out to be ok, but I think we need to hear more from her first.

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Barbarellany wrote:
I don't trust her for a few reasons. First she contacted Phyllis of all the people experiencing strange things. The Library has gotten much more coverage, but that wasn't who Iris called.
Second, It is out of character that JD is ok with this, especially the notices about his home on the Aglaura homepage.


To answer the first statement, I believe that Phyllis contacted Iris not Iris contacting Phyllis.

I'm certain JD doesn't like Iris, he made such a point of having them stay out of his den. There is not much he can do about the media attention from Channel 8 or do much about what Sam puts up on the website currently, because it might make the federal investigators wonder what he has to hide.

I got two e-mails from Iris on the two letters I sent her and will post them in a different message in this thread.
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They contacted her.

Quote:
Dear Barbara,

I got a confirmation call from the group that is sending the paranormal
investigator. Iris is due to arrive either tomorrow or the next day. I
do hope she will be able to find the source of these disturbances and banish
them. Did I tell you how I found these people? Or rather, how they found me?
After the Channel 8 news report, they sent me an email with a link to their web site:


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Two e-mails from Iris in one day....

The first one I sent was to give her a little bit of background to help her try tp piece things together...
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From : infoSPLATedgeofsight.com
To : "S. J. Muller" <magesteff@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Phyllis Dale and Aglaura mysteries
Date : Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:23:39 -0700
Dear Steffeny,
I am most excited to go out to Ash Grove Park and start to investigate this whole Dale and the Wish story. Granted, I cannot ethically do a thing about it until I have helped Mrs. Willingham, but once that is done, I plan to extend my stay and see what I can find at that Park. This Digitalis sounds like an amazing man. What I would not give to sit down and have a conversation with him, maybe even have him tell my fortune! Oh, I would also love to corner one of these dead eye guys, but so far I have not managed to do so. I would imagine I will learn a lot once I get to talk to one of them.

I am amazed that you all have found all of these websites! The greywethers and mythosphere sites just baffle me. What exactly am I supposed to do there?

I do not have time to look through everything you have sent me, but I will as I get a free moment. I suppose if I were a purist and wished to portray the TV version of psychics, I would be aloof and refuse to hear what you say, saying that all my impressions must be pure, but that would just be a lie. Most people do not realize that being psychic (or gifted as I prefer to call myself) does not mean you automatically know everything. Very rarely do you understand what you are seeing and everything is filtered through the receiver's biases, point of view and understanding. If you and I both see the same picture in our head, we will most likely interpret it in different ways. If we are shown cookies, you may say that it is a sign of home and comfort while I may say that it means you need to go on a diet. See what I mean?
People do not realize that we generally spend a lot of time reading books,
searching the internet and interviewing local people to try and figure out
what is happening. Very rarely does a psychic walk in and give an answer. We are as human as the next person and if we were that good, we would all be rich!

Anyway, thank you for your information.

Iris



Quoting "S. J. Muller" <magesteff@hotmail.com>:

> Dear Ms. Page,
>
As both Phyllis Wittingham and Sunny DuPree have expressed your concerns about "Mrs. Wittingham's Internet Friends" I would like to take this opportunity to explain how we have gotten caught up in the goings on in Aglaura. This will be a long rambling letter so please forgive me if I repeat items or forget to add some small details.
>
This all started when a few people who were surfing the internet came across the Synthasia site (www.synthasia.com) for Dale Sprague's company. There are several sad and unusual pages on it, including a web diary of sorts, which talk about the death of his wife and daughter. E-mailing the company brought a response from Dale asking for help. The internet community is a strange group of people who want to be helpful, want to look for new knowledge and want to exercise their minds. They were hooked, and they told their friends about it, and asked for help as well, so now there is a fairly large group of people who want to help all the folks in Aglaura, and over the lst few months we have built a raport with several people in the community. That is how we met Phyllis, and when she started having the problems in her home, we wanted to help her as well.
>
Several interesting places have been located on the web… one is for an
amusment park, Ash Grove Park, where Dale met the mysterious fortune teller, Digitalis. But you see, it didn't stay an Amusment Park, it changed into a cemetery for a short while. Those of us among Phyllis's internet friends think you might find the area to be of interest, because it does seem to be tied to all the weirdness going on. We have also come across something(s) representing itself as guide(s) at a site named www.mythosphere.org – one of the people we were led to contact is
orunmilaSPLATmythosphere.org which led to an invitation to the website. as we solved the puzzles there and sent responses, we were split into two groups, red and blue, which seem to represent two sides of the same thing, one the pleasant aspects the other the not so pleasant. At one point there was a third group labled white. This lead to the discovery of a disc that eventually led up to the hiking trails that surround the town, but Phyllis is going out with Wes Keeler on Sunday, I believe, to check out the area.

The last set of messages from this group seemed to hint at receiving
initiation into the higher mysteries, again with the blue group receiving
the intitation into a good and well regarded group, the red receiving it as
initiation into a not well regarded group, and there were clues it was the
same group. The last message from this group mentioned a second object to be found, a wand, which some of us think may be hidden along one of the hiking trails. Some of of us also received words to the effect that the object must not be exposed to the light….
>
There is also a second guide type of site, named Greywethers,
www.greywethers.net , which we do not know at this time if it is related to
the mythosphere site or not, because so far the information has not led us directly to a connection between the two. The contact point at that site is whitehouseSPLATgreywethers.net . This site has lead us through various
scientific theories including the intersection of two different universes,
though the Einstein – Mirkowski theories and Lorenz transformations of two observers in different universes and moving at an angle to each other seeing the same event but having a difference of opinion about how the event looked and acted. My personal speculation at this point is that the entity called "The Wish" may be a being from another universe, and the problems have cropped up because the interaction with Dale did not follow all the natural laws of this entity's dimention, because Dale is from this dimention which has a different set of rules.

Wes Keeler has also led us to information on Trithemius' possible fourth
book of "Stenographia" some of the pages can be seen through the web site www.missingmanuscript.com and one of the pages seems to be titled "Hunting the Wish."
>
We have aslso been warned about beings called variously "The Nine" of which Trithemius and Digitalis seem to be members, and also Don Marzano has been identified as one of that group as well. How he fits in to the puzzle we have no idea about as yet. So if you have a moment to visit his business, a bar and lounge named "Empty Threats" (which unfortunately is not in Aglaura) an could take a look at him, it might lead to some interesting information.
>
> I am also going to trust you with the site and password to Dale Sprague's read only archive of e-mail, that he was kind enough to share with us as a way to get information about some of these places and people.
> The website is: http://www.synthasia.com/secure/synaasys.htm
> the user id is : readonly
> the password is: sisyphus
>
> This should help bring you up to speed in some of the happenings and places of information.
> The few "spam" messages are actually coded, and can be deciphered using Spammimic which can be found at: http://www.spammimic.com
>
>
> Well I think I have rambled enough for the moment, this should give you at least a few leads to follow.
>
By the way, I am very glad that Phyllis has you there to help her. I was
very worried about her well-being and safety.
>
> If there is any information I can help provide, please do not hesitate to
contact me, I do want to help Dale, Phyllis and the people of Aglaura figure out what is going on and return the town back to its normal life.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Steffeny Muller


Well, be mad at me for spilling so much to her, but I think it will be helpful if she understands what information is available.


Here is the second reply I got to a message I sent after seeing the request from her to someone about finding out more about us:

Quote:
Subject : Re: Who am I?
Date : Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:01:48 -0700
Dear Steffeny,

Thank you so much for your email. After the other emails I have received, yours is a breath of fresh air. I know it is odd for me to press you for so much information, but I am not at all used to having so many people actively emailing me and demanding information. You know, some people have actually complained that I did not tell them something that I told someone else? What am I, a copy machine? I guess I have been feeling more stressed than usual, seeing as how there are so many people making demands upon me. You must remember that I am used to investigating in a very discrete manner; most people are not willing to have their neighbors know their problems and secrets.

Steffeny, I do not think I would be lying to say that it greatly upsets me to know that I have probably made enemies within your community even before I have made friends. Granted, you are all anonymous pixels on my computer screen, but it still bothers me to have people be so negative. I have tried to be open and honest, I have tried to tell people what I know and what I am thinking, but it seems to not be enough.

Now, I learn that I was communicating with some group who had rules I had broken and for which I am going to be penalized. It is very frustrating and makes me wish I could just throw my hands up and say to hell with you all. If Phyllis had not expressly asked me to please work with you, I would seriously consider never checking my email again until this was all over.

Now, I have to admit that it is refreshing to have people offer me information that I would otherwise have to dig for. I am enjoying the speculation and reading all of the strange and interesting materials you all have found. Without you, I would be wasting precious time researching and finding all of this, but hell, if the research has already been done, why not take advantage of it?

I am sorry of this email rambles. I did not realize until you replied just
how alone I felt. So many are communicating with me, and yet I know nothing about them, which is disconcerting since they seem to know me. I cannot help but wonder how much I can trust all of you and it makes me wary of sharing what I find. What if something I say to one of you is used against Phyllis?
How could I live with myself then?

Iris

> Dear Ms. Page,
>
> I don't remember if it was Sunny or Barbara who mentioned you wanted to know a little about our internet group of friends that are helping Dale, Phyllis and Wes track down information.
>
> My name is Steffeny Muller, my e-mail address as you can see is
> magesteffSPLAThotmail.com. As for myself, I found out about the problems in Aglaura from an on line Bulletin Board one day when I was just looking at all the different groups and information, the random wandering pattern of what is commonly called "surfing the net." It intrigued me, so I guess that is how I became involved with this.
>
> My background, well, at the moment I am the detail clerk (a glorified
secretary) at a funeral home in Lake Worth, Florida. It is not my prefered
field of interest, however. I graduated from Colorado State University with two bachelor degrees, one in General Biology, and the other in Microbiology.
>
> I prefer to work as a research scientist but the ecomony being what it is, sometimes it can be difficult working with a research lab for more than a few years at a time.
>
I have always enjoyed reading speculative fiction, fantasy and science
fiction, and I read a great deal of several youth Mystery series when I was younger. I guess you could say, that while I don't automatically believe everything someone tells me, I have a very open mind when it comes to the odd occurances. I'm a bit of a skeptic, but that also extends of my scientific background, the science I know is valid only as long as a theory with better proof isn't available. Dark Matter was once the realm of science fiction and now it is an accepted proven fact. Quantum Theory has room for multiple universes. The Big Bang and evolution, well, my pet hypothesis includes that it could fit the biblical explaination for how the world and mankind were created, in no way does my faith invalidate the science nor the science invalidate my faith. I have also done some reading on various religions and find a great deal of overlap with my own, again examining one does not mean my own belief is any weaker, and in some cases it has made my faith stronger. So you see, I am willing to examine all views even after I have decided which one I will base my own opinions from - regardless of the scientific, religious, or other nature of an event or proof.
>
> Well, I hope this helps to demystify at least one of Phyllis's friends.
Contact, well most of us have e-mail, and I'm certain many people will be contacting you with offers to help. Several of us have "instant messenger" type chat programs where you can talk to us directly when we are on line, AIM is one, Yahoo and MSN have versions, and there are a few others as well. My AIM nic ("nickname") is Magesteff on AIM, and if you add me to the AIM Buddy list you will be able to tell when I am on-line and available, and if you give me your AIM nic I will add you to mine and pass it on to the other people I think would be interested in you and helping out.
>
> I am afraid that there are also a few that will be contacting you to spread disinformation as well. I could name names, but perhaps it is best if you make up your own mind based on the quality of the information and nature of the conversation.
>
> I hope to hear from you soon, and look forward seeing the pictures you have mentioned to others.
>
> Sincerely,
> Steffeny

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*sigh*

Hun, shouldn't you have asked Dale if it was ok, that you wanted to share his password and e-mail address with her, before you sent this to her??

Also Digitalis is NOT one of the Nine. We already went through that on another thread. Only two beings whom we've confirmed are or were part of the Nine are Trimethius (by way of supposedly historical texts) and the Don ( the latter because of comments made by Shadowtalk1)

I'm not exactly thrilled with you giving her that much info, but there's not much we can do about it now. Well, we can all hope and pray that she doesn't turn into another Penrose. Plenty of taking, but giving very little back.

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Valas wrote:
*sigh*

Hun, shouldn't you have asked Dale if it was ok, that you wanted to share his password and e-mail address with her, before you sent this to her??


She would find it eventually herself or with the help of her technicians. Or with Wes's help. Just as we have. All I did was shorten the length of time until she got the information.

With Dale and Sam so busy lately and Wes being his enigmatic self, we really could use an extra set of eyes and ears in town, and she has the added feature of not being initially caught up in the events or have a back history in Aglaura. I'm hoping she can give us a fresh perspective and an honest opinion of folks without the baggage of competion, federal investigation and tight lipped hints at the edges but never the full picture.
In order to be trusted you have to trust. I'm hoping to build a bond with her. Isn't it better if I befriend her instead of the Don? Laughing Wink
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Let me add my own *sigh*

There's an important difference her: she's an in game character, not a real person. I don't see the point of telling an ingame character "Guess what, it's a game and we're playing it! Want to join us?"

Thinking in the context of the game that we're playing, I'd want to see it as a necessary plot extension or a way of getting information that we seem to need (e.g., asking Iris to evaluate the audio transcript of Dale's hypnosis. For that we'd need to merge the paths of Kendra and Iris.).

Otherwise, I'm missing the necessity of this. If others think it's the right thing to do then I wouldn't confound it. Otherwise, I wonder about its impact on the game just like the others have.
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We each will choose how to play the game as we wish and none of the PM rules have been broken so far....

But,

It seems odd that we have mulled over and over whether to tell Phyllis details, a character that we have a history for and people have built relationships over time. The same for Angie, who has given us important info with us giving very little in return other than dating tips. Heck, even those closest to Bruce haven't gone as far as giving full details of our activities. Insider 12 practically caused a revolution for passing any emails and info he thought would move things along or stir the pot.

Now we are just handing over all info, hard won site entry and even Dale's personal log on. I don't understand the rush when we don't know this woman. Wes seems changed to her? Maybe he doesn't trust her. I have worked with psychics on a professional level and one of the calling cards of the scam artist is to have all the props and catch phrases then get the subject talking " to save time". She may be for real but she has admitted being very interested in Dale. Might her respect for Phyllis be a cover for really getting the inside track on Dale? I don't know the answer to that yet. I don't know if she is trustworthy. But if she's not then I think a big boo boo has been made and Dale will pay for it along with Phyllis.

*sigh*

I do hold my ground on not giving her or any character for that matter, access to the forums. The PM said characters wouldn't on their own, but I'm not sure what the rules are if they are invited by a member. I don't think that is a choice for one member to make as the forums are for all players. Having outside chats is great, but not in here or at CD.

Just my humble opinion.

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Barbarellany wrote:
We each will choose how to play the game as we wish and none of the PM rules have been broken so far....

but..

Now we are just handing over all info, hard won site entry and even Dale's personal log on. I don't understand the rush when we don't know this woman.



Not 'We' as far as i'm concerned. To me it looks as tho' it was very much a unilateral decision, that's quite alot of information to be handing over to someone who no-one knows that much about yet, so i'll add my own *sigh* - unless maybe it was decided to divulge Dales email password to Iris in chat? which I wouldn't really know about.

I thought everyone was gonna be a bit cagey with her for a while tho'.

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Magesteff wrote:

She would find it eventually herself or with the help of her technicians. Or with Wes's help. Just as we have. All I did was shorten the length of time until she got the information.

With Dale and Sam so busy lately and Wes being his enigmatic self, we really could use an extra set of eyes and ears in town, and she has the added feature of not being initially caught up in the events or have a back history in Aglaura. I'm hoping she can give us a fresh perspective and an honest opinion of folks without the baggage of competion, federal investigation and tight lipped hints at the edges but never the full picture.
In order to be trusted you have to trust. I'm hoping to build a bond with her. Isn't it better if I befriend her instead of the Don? Laughing Wink


The thing is hun.. If you want to treat Iris as a living and breathing person, then you have to do the same with Dale. Asking him, if it's ok to share the aforementioned personal information with Iris, would've simply been common courtesy..

You may trust her, but that does not mean that Dale trusts her as well. It's his e-mail account afterall.. So I'll be advising him to change the password again..

By the by, how would she have found out the password on her own?? The sticker which told of it, is long gone, but for the copies we've saved. Even if she'd figured out the location, then she would've found the old password. Meaning still no dice for her. Also her tech-guy is running around Aglaura, trying to keep up with all his gizmo's.. He would lack the time to run a password cracking program, especially on a slow dial-up connection as they seem to have. So those are non-arguments.

As for Wes.. We don't know on whose side he is.. So asserting that he would've told her the password is far from a foregone conclusion.. By the looks of the last e-mails, he was trying to pull a fast one on both the ladies. Making it even less likely that he would've given her such sensitive information..

Now I won't deny you have some valid points, regarding needing more gropos (groundpounders) in Aglaura. That we need someone who's relatively unbiased, or that we need to build a relationship with her..

This does not, however, mean that we have to roll over for her and show her our bellies. Giving her the url's to the Guides or greywethers is one thing. Giving her the location and password to Dale's e-mail account is another.

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Valas wrote:
The thing is hun.. If you want to treat Iris as a living and breathing person, then you have to do the same with Dale. Asking him, if it's ok to share the aformentioned personal information with Iris, would've simply been common courtesy.

You may trust her, but that does not mean that Dale trusts her as well. It's his e-mail account afterall.


I'll just add my *sigh* and full agreement with the above quote.... geez I don't even give out folk's phone numbers, email addresses, etc without their permission... Shocked
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