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petunia
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Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 616 Location: MS
I keep thinking there might be a clue in the Youshi video, or else why go to the trouble of having it there? I can't find anything in it though. I just listened to it again and the wording "amino acids have owned the building blocks of life" strikes me as weird ("owned"?), but not necessarily meaningful. I'm at a loss.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:35 am
Jediwannabe
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 282 Location: Lincoln, UK
He doesn't seem as responsive now after his little accident. I was hoping to ask him some questions about Professor Wilson, but didn't get a chance to. Now not even the Eva questions are working.
It would make sense that Prof Wilson has sent Eva on a research project of this site for a purpose, so it would stand to reason that Youki might know something about him, or at least of him, like he does with Eva.
I guess now we will never know. I only got a chance to try one question before he crashed, which was "Have you seen any good movies lately?", which returned some weird error about too much recursive something or other. I dismissed it as a genuine error and gave up.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:24 am
Russell
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1571 Location: London
I did actually try asking it about professor wilson with both words and each singly. I got absolutely nothjing from it, just the usual if you asked it about random celebrities. It did know who "Neo"was though lol
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:25 am
Jediwannabe
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 282 Location: Lincoln, UK
Russell_k wrote:
I did actually try asking it about professor wilson with both words and each singly. I got absolutely nothjing from it, just the usual if you asked it about random celebrities. It did know who "Neo"was though lol
Heh. It's difficult trying to work out which responses are meant for us, and which are just left over easter-eggs from the original Alice programming.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:59 am
bartmans
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Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 97 Location: the Netherlands
It seems very unresponsive to me too, even on the questions that gave responses earlier. This sets me to think: is it possible that some answers come only a fixed number of times and after that refer to the text: I have no answer for that? (just like some copy protected software?)
If that is the case, it would be helpful if all answers form Yuki that were obtained by us are listed in the forum (though several interesting - for which we have no clue about their meaning - already are).
_________________Life is just like a game. You know it has to come to an end.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:29 am
RC54
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 19
I hit a translation website, and plugged Youshi in as japanese to get the following results
youshi appearance, figure
youshi adopted child, son-in-law
youshi blank form
youshi gist, essentials, summary, fundamentals
youshi premature death
youshi proton
and these for Yuki
yuki snow
yuki going
However, Youkin bombs out and gets me no results.
The Japeanse <-> English dictionary I used is
here . Someone with actual skill in Japanese might want to take a look at the meanings though, to be sure.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:03 pm
Rekidk
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Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 992 Location: Indiana, USA
Quote:
youshi - premature death
How pleasant. There's clearly something here.
However, I think Yuki is just a regular ol' Japanese name. (Eg. Yuki Mitani from Hikaru No Go, which is what I keep thinking of as I deal with this chatbot.)
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:23 pm
Ofiuco
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Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 365 Location: The Void
I tried to look up youkin as a Japanese word previously, but it can be really difficult - as you've found - to translate and define a Japanese word without the kanji. There isn't really a word that corresponds. There's also the problem of - would the transliteration be 'youkin', or should it be transliterated as the charaters pronounce it - yukin? Yushi?
Both of these words contain the element 'you', better written 'yoo', which most commonly has the meaning of 'west', as in the western world, America and Europe, etc.
Yuki is a first name in Japanese, which does in fact mean snow.
It's difficult to draw a conclusion about the word 'youkin', because you can't really assume that because it sounds like a certain word (say, 'youkai', or demon) it has a similar meaning, because, again, Japanese doesn't work like that. Needs more kanji. :(
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:38 pm
newb0y
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Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ealing, London, UK
The ingredients of Youshi reminded me of an experiment I heard about a long time ago where amino acids were created from the elements believed to be in the early earth's atmosphere. Aqua = Water (H2O), Azane = Ammonia (NH3), Hydrogenium = Hydrogen (H2) , Marsh extract could be Methane (CH4). The experiment was called the Miller/Urey experiment, details of which can be found here
http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html
The only puzzle is Yellow Crystal Sulfur which isn't mentioned in the experiment
Any thoughts ?
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:31 pm
Stinkyfinger
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Bristol, UK
could this be somthing to do with amino acids? there are two which contain sulphur, cysteine and methionine..
i'm going to see what i can find out.. but if there are any chemistry bods about then your knowledge would be appreciated!
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:18 pm
Cross_
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Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 283 Location: San Diego
newb0y wrote:
The only puzzle is Yellow Crystal Sulfur which isn't mentioned in the experiment
That's very interesting! It would go with this whole amino acids-building blocks of life thing. Sulfur would not be out of place in an early earth scenario with lots of volcanoes. I don't know about the Marsh -> Methane connection though.
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:24 pm
newb0y
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Cross_ wrote:
newb0y wrote:
The only puzzle is Yellow Crystal Sulfur which isn't mentioned in the experiment
That's very interesting! It would go with this whole amino acids-building blocks of life thing. Sulfur would not be out of place in an early earth scenario with lots of volcanoes. I don't know about the Marsh -> Methane connection though.
Methane is also know an "Marsh Gas"
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:26 pm
Stinkyfinger
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Bristol, UK
Cross_ wrote:
I don't know about the Marsh -> Methane connection though.
marsh gas is another name for methane..
so we have building blocks of amino acids.. except maybe water. but that could just be providing oxygen molecules.. i know very little about chemistry though.
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:28 pm
RC54
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Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 19
As I mentioned to Eva in an email (on the emails thread) Youshi sounded like it was some kind of yeast product, being that it was 'invented by bacteria'. I looked up yeast on wikipedia(here ), and it turns out it's used as/in nutritional suplements, but it's more of a unicell fungus it seems.
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:40 pm
alrun
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Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Denmark
newb0y wrote:
The only puzzle is Yellow Crystal Sulfur which isn't mentioned in the experiment
Any thoughts ?
As far as I remember, sulfur (might be in the form of hydrogen sulfide?) is included in the Sagan version of the experiement.
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:47 pm
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