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[UPDATE] www.evamcgill.co.uk/blog- Jan. 27, 07 "Help Me!"
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ghostdog
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 		ok i'll try to figure out something

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 		I'm confused - why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that this is a log of Eva's whereabouts?

OCCAMS RAZOR please!

We have already been told that ERWIN has an RFID chip, and that a portion of it uses Eva's birthdate (hence Subject180287 is Erwin's ID). We know that characters in the game have hinted several times that the RFID in Erwin may be key to tracking his location, and that it will play a significant part of our solution.

I don't believe this log has anything to do with Eva at all - I think it's the last recorded movements of Erwin.

Why all the shop names, you may be wondering? Well most shops fit their goods with RFID chips - they are useless as tracking devices on their own, because they don't have a strong enough power source to broadcast their location - they instead draw their power from INCOMING transmissions. This is what happens whenever you buy something from a shop, and walk past the security gates. They broadcast a signal to the RFID chip, which powers it up enough to send a response back. In this way, they could be used to track Erwin's movements everytime he passes a security sensor in one of the shops mentioned in the log.

Am I making sense to anyone else but me? It ties in nicely with the date of Erwin's exact disappearance, and is a much closer fit than the "Eva has an RFID tag" theory, which has been pulled out of nowhere when you consider that we have already been told Erwin has one for a FACT.

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 		Transcript of Jan. 27th Eva blog
Here's the transcript from Eva's vlog entry for posterity.

Quote:
I have another email from that guy Keir. This one's got an attachment and he said the stuff in the attachment has something to do with me.
But then I tried to open it... and I couldn't understand any of it at all.
It's about me I want to know what it says. So if any one of you think you can help me decipher what's in it, please do.
And then he said that he thinks (exasperated sigh) that it had something to do with Professor Wilson, which is just stupid.
So yeah, if you can help me....yeah. Thanks.


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 		Ok, how is this for a bit of spec? If I'm correct about it being a log of Erwin's movements, then the syntax for the log (worked out from reading backwards) reads like this.

DDMMYYHHmmSSSSSXXXX

D = Day
M = Month
Y = Year
H = Hour
m = Minute
S = Shop name
X = Shop ID number

That would put Erwin's movements as follows (allowing room for shop names I can't figure out):

Topshop 2399 - 20th December 2006 14:03
Henne?? 999 - 20th December 2006 13:10
Habitat 1599 - 20th December 2006 12:06
Costa Coffee 211 - 20th December 2006 10:40

Sainsbury's 2933 - 21st December 2006 11:35
Texaco Garage 299 - 21st December 2006 18:41

Hsahid?? 468 - 22nd December 2006 09:30
Borders 1699 - 22nd December 2006 (no time given)
fop?? 899 - 22nd December 2006 (no time given)
Threshers 1295 - 22nd December 2006 19:06

Sainsbury's 8482 - 31st December 2006 13:42
hsahid?? 678 - 31st December 2006 18:41

Actually, now that I look at it - what I thought were store-codes do indeed look more like prices with all those "99" endings. If anyone can fill in the missing store names, or shed any more light on this, please feel free.

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 		Hi - I created this spreadsheet from the log file which includes the names of the shops - this may help
Log1206.xls
Description  LogX.12.06
 xls

 Download 
Filename  Log1206.xls 
Filesize  15.5KB 
Downloaded  167 Time(s) 

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Sylvia
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Jediwannabe wrote:
I'm confused - why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that this is a log of Eva's whereabouts?

OCCAMS RAZOR please!

We got that from the email between Keir and Eva:

http://www.evamcgill.co.uk/email/ un=eva pass=slippers
Keir wrote:
Subject: Subject: You should see this.
Download Attachment

I found out some stuff through my work that I think you should know about.
I'm attaching the file.
KJ

Eva wrote:
Subject: You should see this.

Got the attachment. I'm sure with help from my friends I can work this out, don't you worry.

Keir wrote:
Subject: Its about you.

Download Attachment

It's about you. I think it may have something to do with Professor Wilson, please look at it.
KJ


Jediwannabe wrote:
We have already been told that ERWIN has an RFID chip, and that a portion of it uses Eva's birthdate (hence Subject180287 is Erwin's ID).

I think we have only speculated that Eva's birthday is part of Erwin's RFID. Not sure, but i don't think it has been confirmed.

Jediwannabe wrote:
I don't believe this log has anything to do with Eva at all - I think it's the last recorded movements of Erwin.

I sort of doubt that Erwin would be visiting a place like the Topshop and making a 23.99 purchase.

As for the rest of what you say. There is nothing saying that Eva doesn't have a tracking device since Professor Wilson want's to keep an eye on her.

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 		I agree--this is a log of Eva, not Erwin. After all, Keir does say...

Quote:
It's about you. I think it may have something to do with Professor Wilson, please look at it.
KJ


Which basically agrees with the theory that Wilson attached an RFID tracking chip to Eva.

We could confirm this by asking Eva if she remembered visiting these places on those dates. She might not remember all of them, but if she just remembers a few that will be enough.

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Finally, I believe it was in an email that Eva said that she thought she might have used her birthday for part of Erwin's RFID number.

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Sylvia
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 		just to stop the confusion before it goes any farther.

Start here to read the emails from Eva about the RFID number for Erwin, Eva basically says she doesn't know. The part about it being her birthday was just a spec made by someone, it has not been confirmed.

And i think petunia knocked that theory in the head anyways with this post:
petunia wrote:
It's not looking good for the RFID track. Apparently PetLog (and Pet-ID in the U.S.) won't let just anybody peek at their database:

"This is on hand 24 hours a day to authorised bodies such as animal wardens or animal welfare centres..." (from http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/meet/petlog.html)

And now that I think about it, I had my dog chipped and it's all automatic - not like they let you pick your own ID#. Nor should you need to know the ID# for an "authorised body" to look you up in the database and see if your pet's been found. So I kind of doubt Eva will find that # anytime soon.

I like the idea, though. What if Eva had her own RFID chip, with her birthday as the ID#, and didn't know it? Ooo.

(bold is mine)

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Sylvia wrote:
just to stop the confusion before it goes any farther.

Start here to read the emails from Eva about the RFID number for Erwin, Eva basically says she doesn't know. The part about it being her birthday was just a spec made by someone, it has not been confirmed.


From a post made by Petunia, in the emails thread...

Quote:
Hi Kevin

I've been looking for the RFID number but still can't find it. I might have used my birthday as part of it but i erally can't remember - having trouble remembering a lot at the moment.
Thanks for your help

be seeing you

Eva

Bold is mine.

I would consider that a rather hefty clue. We confirmed Eva's birthday in another email as being 18/02/87 - and the Timehole characters have mentioned that the RFID in Erwin could be the way to find him.

I realise that in reality, an RFID cannot be chosen - but I would expect some "blurring of the lines" when it comes to certain details.

The pricing theory tells me that I'm wrong, but all of the other clues that the characters themselves have been offering up would tie into Erwin nicely.

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Sylvia
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 		Verry Funny! Is It Tin Foil Hat Time?
I found some information on Gen2 RFID nothing yet on Gen3MIL. It was speculated in chat the MIL might stand for Military.

But before i begin, Jediwannabe, I'm not saying you are wrong just that we do not have conformation about that. The key word in your bold above is might.

IMO, the PMs were trying to steer us away from focusing on the number and more on the RFID itself. I looked up the most common RFID used on animals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_11784_%26_11785

I'm not familiar with how these things are made/work but If you read the wiki page you will see that it takes a whole lot of bits to make up the number with the first three being the manufacturer code and the rest depending on if it's a half/full duplex:
Quote:
HDX

With half duplex, the tag starts transmitting when the activating field is switched off. This makes the receiver simpler, as it is not necessary to pick up the weak signal from the tag among the strong activating field. The disadvantage is that the tag only has available to it the energy stored in a small capacitor to transmit.

Telegram layout:

8 Startbits 01111110, 1 Animal-No animal indicator, 14 'Reserved for future use'bits, 1 Extra data indicator bit, 10 Country code accoding to ISO 3166, 38 ID bits, 16 CCITT CRC over the previous 64 bits, 24 Application bits,

FDX

11 Startbits 00000000001, 38 ID bits, 10 Country code accoding to ISO 3166, 1 Extra application bits, 15 Reserved bits, 1 Animal bit, 18 CCITT CRC over the previous bits, with the 9th and the 18th bit of the CRC set to 1, 24 Application bits


ETA: if anyone understands the bit thing maybe you could see if the birthdate 180287 works out to be 38 bits.

But back to the funny part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Frequency_Identification#RFID_Shielding
Quote:
RFID Shielding

A number of products are available on the market in the US that will allow a concerned carrier of RFID-enabled cards or passports to shield their data. Simply wrapping an RFID card in aluminum foil, essentially creating a Faraday cage, is claimed to make transmission more difficult, yet not be completely effective at preventing it.

Should we tell Eva to make herself a Tin Foil Hat or maybe redecorate using Tin Foil for wall paper to make herself a Faraday cage? Laughing

As for tracking humans here are some interesting articles I have found:


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 		Re: Verry Funny! Is It Tin Foil Hat Time?
Sylvia wrote:

But before i begin, Jediwannabe, I'm not saying you are wrong just that we do not have conformation about that. The key word in your bold above is might.

No, I know you're not saying I'm wrong - I just don't think we should dismiss it so quickly. Even though Eva says she is not sure about the whole thing, the next obvious question in response to that email would've been "Oh really, what's your birtdhay?". Of course, that could have easily been misdirection on the PM's part, so that we know Subject180287 refers to Eva.

I like the tin foil hat idea Smile I have this sudden urge to start listening to Devo.

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Specifications
I still think that sri-uk.st.no.Gen3MIL-STD-ISO.RFID refers to company or product certifications. Gen3, MIL-STD, and ISO are all certifications that various products and companies can try to pass, to make their products more desirable to various markets. I'm not certain about the specifics of Gen3, but MIL-STD is military standard, and ISO deals with a company's ability to be efficient and reduce costs by eliminating wasteful practices. My work is going through ISO certification right now.

If the above is correct, then that line indicates that the output was downloaded from an RFID chip built by SRI-UK, which meets the listed standards.

Okay, that's my two cents.

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Quote:
A number of products are available on the market in the US that will allow a concerned carrier of RFID-enabled cards or passports to shield their data. Simply wrapping an RFID card in aluminum foil, essentially creating a Faraday cage, is claimed to make transmission more difficult, yet not be completely effective at preventing it.


bold is mine

So rather than an implant, could it maybe be Eva's membership card/ID card for SRI that's tracking her?

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