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[UPDATE] Quirky Acuity - 1 Feb 07 - Over
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t7bros
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Personally, I think there's a higher probability of CT being either Sente or someone else (not a Kiteway). We don't know what the cube's power is, but my guess is that it can instantly "transport" you between our dimensions. But instead of full transport, maybe is a "possession". Maybe CT grabbed the cube (know abou 3P's plan) and their "spirit" inhabited someone in our world. It doesn't seem that CT had any memory before the theft, so its possible. If the shovel and sack were brought back and CT isn't Sente, maybe they went to Sente because he's the Master. The shovel and sack would be valuable Earth relics, even more so if they were brought back by the cube. Isn't it also possible that CT (when he/she returned from Earth) lost their memory and gradually gained it back over the next 3 years?

Also, if CT is Sente, maybe 3P found the shovel and sack in Scarlett's room and assumed that she knew something. You've got to figure that the level of security around Sente as got to be heavier than what the 3P could handle, especially with all the suspicions running rampant around the city.

By the same token, and this is just spec, couldn't we apply similiar logic to Caine? How can we prove Caine is guilty? To me, his guilt is too obvious. I'm going to continue thinking he's innocent, at least partially. Maybe he was coerced into asking Scarlett where the cube was. 3P could figure that a "friendly" face/voice could get her to talk. By previous (likely flawed) logic, maybe Caine just assumed that the reason Scarlett was taken was because she knew about the cube. Caine didn't mention on his blog about being forced to talk to Scarlett, but he did say he was in pain. He was unexpected, although known (but he's a mild celebrity, band member and scribe). He says that Scarlett tried to say his name. She was in pain, probably drugged, and had been through hell. When she was finally rescued, Caine's was probably the only face she remembered seeing and voice she remembered hearing. If we could find out how she was drugged, it might help.

I say this because if Ceretin can increase brain function, it should be possible, especially in pxc, to have a drug that imprints memories. Take all names/faces out of Scarlett's experience, give her a drug that only allows her to remember sketches of what's happening and give her instructions to accuse the first face she recognizes.

Trout me if you wish. Like I said, this is probably flawed anyway.

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lonadar
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Re: [UPDATE] Quirky Acuity - 1 Feb 07 - Over

aliendial wrote:
Sylocat wrote:
Violet wrote:
she pulled me down and said: "Caine, Caine kept asking me where the Cube is. But I don't know."

Uh, would a high-ranking member of 3P really allow a prisoner (especially Scarlett) to see his face?


Well yes if the idea was that she might think he was a fellow prisoner and tell him what she wouldn't tell her torturers. That's classic too. (Remember he was cuffed and beat up and had a real shiner that might have been black shoe polish; perfect cover.) What does it matter if his cover is blown if they got the answer? And I suppose that's another reason to let the assault go forward even if he is 3P - give up this 3P cell on the gamble to get the info from Scarlett and possibly save the cover of Caine.


Okay - going on the assumption that Caine is guilty, this could very well have been a matter of haste. Caine knew we were on our way. Let me talk out a chain of thought:

Caine is or considers himself important in the group. (OR Caine is part of a completely different group working within or above 3P.)
Caine tosses the Academy guy (forget his name) as a scapegoat, a conveniently dead scapegoat.
Perhaps Academy Guy was no longer useful to them. Perhaps this was Caine clearing up a loose end. Perhaps allowing us to raid 3P was Caine allowing us to clear up LOTS of loose ends either for him, or under orders for some larger/other group.
Perhaps Caine or other/larger group thought 3P was a loose end and decided it was time to pull the plug so they weren't connected and could continue to operate.

So, Caine, knowing they will lose a valuable asset (Scarlett) in the process, rushes ahead to push while he has the chance. This really makes me side towards him working for some other group. I guess what I'm saying is, I feel either Caine was part of 3P and a larger group that 3P was part of...or Caine was a mole in 3P for some other group.

In either case, 3P, as it existed presently, was labeled expendable.

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Now...here's the flip side of all this: If Caine was set up...who was there that could have done it? Flemming? Who could have set Caine up?

Just some food for thought.

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In either case, 3P, as it existed presently, was labeled expendable.
I can get behind that thinking.

The 3P were getting careless. they had, how many members? sitting around, while average joe mcallister waltzes in on not one but TWO hideouts -- the missing academy parts were starting to raise too many eyebrows, the body count was getting out of hand, and there were earthers crawling all over every internal communique. the 3P was, until two days ago, populated but a fFlock of lousy spies who were no closer to the cube than anyone else.

Tuesday solved that problem. Now V can operate on a smooth, tight team of true believers.

This is why there are only ever two sith lords, you know. One master, and one apprentice. Anything else causes endless turmoil and strife.
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Scott wrote:
the 3P was, until two days ago, populated but a fFlock of lousy spies who were no closer to the cube than anyone else.

Tuesday solved that problem. Now V can operate on a smooth, tight team of true believers.

So basically, we essentially did V a favor.

Maybe he even had this in mind. He captured Scarlett and held her at Ascendancy because he knew we'd follow her there and trim off the extraneous 3P members to streamline the organization for him. I mean come on, he had to know that we'd find them.
The only thing that went wrong with his plan was that he didn't get the Cube's location out of Scarlett. Either she didn't know (not CT then?) or she was better at withstanding interrogation than we thought. But even then, V didn't really LOSE anything.

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Ah. One more thing. Ling also = heather. Heath. etc.

(now I have several new hours of research on CT and the Cube's location. likely wrong. but will elaborate more tomorrow when I've had sleep.)
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Sylocat wrote:
But even then, V didn't really LOSE anything.


Exactly...

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You know, if caine is being set up, there is another explaination.

*releases level 8 spec monster

Violet is the third power mole! Surprised
Think about it, she helped put Sente away, she was dating a CRT member, she was working at the same library as Miranda and as we all know stalled on the translation of the papers for months! could it be she had a part in the death of Cymbalisty (who she clearly took a dislike to)

What has she contributed to the cause except for detours to recon camps and trips to ghost infested deathtraps below lighthouses?

She'll show her true colours in the end Wink
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I'm more convinced than ever that Vi needs to call Flemming. He had something to tell her before the raid (could've been about Caine). I convinced that he has some important information for us, and Vi needs to draw it out of him.

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erekose wrote:
Violet is the third power mole! Surprised
Think about it, she helped put Sente away, she was dating a CRT member, she was working at the same library as Miranda and as we all know stalled on the translation of the papers for months! could it be she had a part in the death of Cymbalisty (who she clearly took a dislike to)

What has she contributed to the cause except for detours to recon camps and trips to ghost infested deathtraps below lighthouses?

*buffing spec monster to Lvl 13*

Also, Caine is put in jail as the 3P mole on what is basically her say so alone. She's the only one who claims Scarlett said anything about Caine, and we've heard from Scarlett herself, who seemed not particularly troubled about Caine when mentioning him in her post. She and Miranda have both gotten close to members of the CRT (in Vi's case, a total of 3 I think, if we're counting Kurt and Von) after all. She too was the one who suggested Scarlett go on her little interview adventure that necessitated the rescue, Caine wouldnt have known about it until after the kidnapping. Violet is the only one who heard Scarlett talk about Caine asking where the cube was, which even if it did happen could be explained another way, ("You gotta say something Lettie, keep them distracted while the cops come in to save the day") and so, based on the secondhand testimony of a quite probably drugged torture victim and what I'll grant may be a legitimate question about this "Faberling" thing but not one that casts blame, combined with increased scrutiny at that very moment to find the remaining mole in the CRT if such exists, Violet comes out and fingers Caine as the culprit. All I'm saying is that if I were an actual mole looking to send someone to jail in my stead, I'd have blamed Caine too.

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hm. I just had an interesting thought. So caine's in jail. and so is a lot of 3P. and so is sente.

Instant Riot! just add fFervor!

my random spec: someone is gonna get a shiv in the neck over the weekend.
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I think its fairly obvious who the real mastermind is, Caine is a patsy, and in fact we've all been refering to her this way for yonks.

V = Violet. In the most unsubtle code ever Very Happy
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maniacfive wrote:
V = Violet. In the most unsubtle code ever Very Happy


Hiding in plain sight. Works for my keys, why not for a criminal mastermind?

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I like the V=Violet=3P Mole theory, but there are two potholes in that road that I'd like to see filled in.

First, it seems a bit too much of a stretch that Violet, as V, would have sacrificed so much of the 3P knowing about the raid in advance as she had. I can understand cutting losses, but that's still a lot of potential power up in smoke. You'd think she would've done something to cut her losses.

Second, didn't the mp3 we hear of V murdering someone indicate a man's voice? It could've been altered sound, and I suppose that it might not have necessarily been V, but it still strongly indicated that V was male.

Granted, I don't know as much about the story surrounding that mp3 as I'd like to, so I'm gearing up for the trout, but something still isn't adding up.

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V as V

Didn't Claire Castille specifically say that V was a man, in his thirties, like thousands of men you might meet in Perplexcity?

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Afgncaap5 wrote:
I like the V=Violet=3P Mole theory, but there are two potholes in that road that I'd like to see filled in.

First, it seems a bit too much of a stretch that Violet, as V, would have sacrificed so much of the 3P knowing about the raid in advance as she had. I can understand cutting losses, but that's still a lot of potential power up in smoke. You'd think she would've done something to cut her losses.
read our earlier messages. Why would V give a fig about the 3P cell in that building? You gotta admit they were pretty much useless, giving themselves away like that and letting Kurt just walk in on their earlier hideout. V probably didn't mind letting so much useless fat get trimmed off the organization.

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Second, didn't the mp3 we hear of V murdering someone indicate a man's voice? It could've been altered sound, and I suppose that it might not have necessarily been V, but it still strongly indicated that V was male.
Ah... a much better point I must confess. Sad Still, Violet does sometimes sign her e-mails "V."

Still, you gotta admit, having Scarlett be CT and having Violet be V would be pretty darn cool Cool .

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