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[LOCKED] [TRAILHEAD] NIN "Year Zero" ARG or ARGish happening?
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 		Hey guys, just to say I have to pay particular attention to college but this seems like a pretty wicked plot line, I'm gonna find it hard to finish my assignments! Looks like there's going to be a lot going on Smile
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Tenine wrote:

Did anyone notice this? -
http://anotherversionofthetruth.com/artist.htm

CazazzaKid wrote:
Jesus, I just wanted to tell you guys AIR is flatlined, not start WW4.


I guess by Year Zero, WWIII has already taken place.
Just sayin' Smile


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

My teeny bit of spec is that what we're seeing is archived information, and these events they're talking about are "in the past" and what we're seeing is backstory, from an in-game perspective, leading up to Year Zero which we'll join at some point in progress. But the more I look at what we have so far, the more I think that's not quite it.

Also? I shouldn't listen to the phone messages at work. Smile

Edit:
Okay, the only other place the search function can find for the number sequence of 24/10.7 is here and there's not much about it specifically. So just to document where it was found I'd like to point out that 24.10.7 is on http://bethehammer.net/default.htm.

And here is a screen shot pointing it out.

Yes, I am, in fact, a spaz.


apologies for any stating-the-bleedin'-obvious here...

as far as i can tell, year zero is 2022 - and this is either the date that the new administration took over, or maybe the date of some kind of apocalypse.

most of our in-game dates are things like 02/10/0000, which is either the 2nd october or the 10th feb, depending on how these crazy americans order their dates Wink occasionally, dates such as -17BA appear which i guess means 17 years before year-zero .. or 2005 to you and me.

i think that quite a bit of the stuff we're seeing is backstory to the album - to fill us in on what's happening / happened etc, but some of the songs released so far seem to be from the perspective of some of the characters - or at least types of character i.e. from the resistance, as opposed to from a specific resistance member.

having said that, trent is something of a master at writing songs that appear to be about one thing to one listener, and also appear to be about something completely different for another - i.e. wish (broken).

..

if you are going to listen to the phone calls at work .. schedule some time for a sit down with a cup of coffee afterwards Smile

..

lots of number codes are appearing throughout this game, and speculation is still rife as to what they mean. the first site we were directed to - http://www.iamtryingtobelieve.com/ - contains 24.14.3 (select-all and look to the right of the pics of the presence). several others have appeared in sites, mp3 ID tags, mp3 names, morse code at the end of audio tracks / phone calls etc.

so far we have:
24.3.1, 24.3.2, 24.3.3, 24.10.1, 24.10.2, 24.10.3, 24.10.4, 24.10.5, 24.10.6 , 24.10.7, 24.10.8, 24.13.1, 24.14.1, 24.14.2, 24.14.3, 24.15.1, 24.15.2

one theory that strikes a chord with me is as follows. all NIN releases so far have been called HALO1, HALO2 etc. the recent DVD release was HALO22. the first single from the new album - survivalism - will be HALO23. year zero will be HALO24.

people have started matching up the numbers to letters using the following cypher.

24.x.y => {yearzero}.{track x}.{letter y}

i.e. 24.10.7 => e (in 'god given')

these are the numbers we have so far translated according to that theory (in numerical order)

24.3.1 - s - 216.333.1810 phone number
24.3.2 - u - myviolentheart.mp3 (ID3 comments), also from 2432.mp3 in "Me, I'm Not" RAR file
24.3.3 - r - uswiretap.com

24.10.1 - g - notherversionofthetruth.com nohurry.mp3
24.10.2 - o - http://churchofplano.com/
24.10.3 - d - opalo.mp3
24.10.4 - g - WARNING CODE
24.10.5 - i - ballgameOver.mp3
24.10.6 - v - www.105thairbornecrusaders.com
24.10.7 - e - www.bethehammer.net/
24.10.8 - n - www.anotherversionofthetruth.com - "Select All" to see it.

24.13.1 - t - http://www.artisresistance.com/warning_tools.htm

24.14.1 - a - Black/red 2007 tour t-shirt
24.14.2 - n - E-mail from iamtryingtobelieve.com, "------------------------AUTO_RESPONSE--------------_-- " (Thanks, Gewalt Warten!)
24.14.3 - o - http://iamtryingtobelieve.com/

24.15.1 - i - White 2007 tour t-shirt
24.15.2 - n - 1-310-295-1040 PhoneMessage


current thinking is that we are being given a message (or password, or URL, or google-term) in this way. we're getting quite a lot of letters, so it may be that we get loads more and the *unused* letters spell something out. who knows ? Smile

hope this wasn't too "yeah .. like, duh" for you Smile

ps: the list of numbers above was lifted from here:

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=20265&start=0

that version has links to various bits of audio if you want to hear 'em yourself.

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Tenine
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bearda wrote:
Tenine wrote:

I guess by Year Zero, WWIII has already taken place.
Just sayin' Smile


That, or it's currently taking place...


Well, whether the Middle East mess is to be considered WWIII or not,
God only knows.
But ask your average joe about WWIII and they will tell you it hasn't happened yet.

- - - - -

thalamus wrote:

apologies for any stating-the-bleedin'-obvious here...

as far as i can tell, year zero is 2022 - and this is either the date that the new administration took over, or maybe the date of some kind of apocalypse.


Where are you getting the year 2022 from?

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Tenine wrote:
bearda wrote:
Tenine wrote:

I guess by Year Zero, WWIII has already taken place.
Just sayin' Smile


That, or it's currently taking place...


Well, whether the Middle East mess is to be considered WWIII or not,
God only knows.
But ask your average joe about WWIII and they will tell you it hasn't happened yet.


I meant that by Year Zero maybe WWIII is/was/will be already taking place. This whole future tense thing is starting to confuse the hell out of me Rolling Eyes

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 		I was thinking over the video and image showing the Presence that were discovered yesterday, and it dawned on me how odd the Presence
is.

Picture this future scenario/alternate reality/whatever you want to call it based on everything we know so far from the websites. Now remove any reference to the Presence. Just pretend they weren't there, no pictures, no people talking about it, nothing. You've got a somewhat over-the-top dystopian version of the future. It could be viewed as a political allegory about where the nation is headed, but overall it's pretty familiar. We've seen similar visions of the future in popular books, movies, etc.

OK, now consider the Presence as part of the picture again for a second. It alone adds this paranormal edge to the entire thing. The story isn't as plausible anymore. Judging from the new material that came out yesterday it seems like the Presence is pretty central to the story being told (even though it may not seem like it a lot of the time). It's on the cover to the bloody album, after all.

I'm starting to think that the Presence isn't just a part of the story, it is the story. As interesting as all the other stuff flying around it is, the Presence almost stands in stark contrast to what would otherwise be a retelling of an old story.

Make any sense?

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 		total off kilter SPEC:
We are the presence.
The players as the hive mind, if you will. A hand is the symbol for action right. at the moment it wanders around looking, but taking no action, much like us. No body, just action and will.

Besides it gives off the same funky distortion we see on the webpages.
/end deep end spec

I agree / hope it is a major part of the story.

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Tenine wrote:


thalamus wrote:

apologies for any stating-the-bleedin'-obvious here...

as far as i can tell, year zero is 2022 - and this is either the date that the new administration took over, or maybe the date of some kind of apocalypse.


Where are you getting the year 2022 from?


sorry - that bit's not 100% confirmed, but if you look at http://www.iamtryingtobelieve.com/howdoes.htm and look at the first image (is parepin related to dropping birth rates) you can see that the date / paper reference as 0000; 72; 234-240

look to the left of that image (you might wanna crank your gamma up) and you'll see an echo-image of the same paper with '2022' in place of '0000'

most people are treating this as the prevalent theory for the date, especially when coupled with reznor's statement that "Well, it takes place about fifteen years in the future. Things are not good"

http://wbcn.com/pages/236215.php

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bearda wrote:
I was thinking over the video and image showing the Presence that were discovered yesterday, and it dawned on me how odd the Presence
is.

Picture this future scenario/alternate reality/whatever you want to call it based on everything we know so far from the websites. Now remove any reference to the Presence. Just pretend they weren't there, no pictures, no people talking about it, nothing. You've got a somewhat over-the-top dystopian version of the future. It could be viewed as a political allegory about where the nation is headed, but overall it's pretty familiar. We've seen similar visions of the future in popular books, movies, etc.

OK, now consider the Presence as part of the picture again for a second. It alone adds this paranormal edge to the entire thing. The story isn't as plausible anymore. Judging from the new material that came out yesterday it seems like the Presence is pretty central to the story being told (even though it may not seem like it a lot of the time). It's on the cover to the bloody album, after all.

I'm starting to think that the Presence isn't just a part of the story, it is the story. As interesting as all the other stuff flying around it is, the Presence almost stands in stark contrast to what would otherwise be a retelling of an old story.

Make any sense?


If you take the Presence out of the equation entirely, I would have guessed that the whole thing was a sort of homage to The Handmaid's Tale.

At the end of that book we discover...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
that the narrative you've been reading is a transcription of something that was dictated on tape and hidden between clips of music. And the whole thing is, essentially, a flash back of sorts.


The book and what I've read in Year Zero so far have similar elements and concepts. Though I don't think Year Zero is a rip off or retelling of Handmaiden's Tale. Just that they have a similar central theme.

The edition of the Presence does bring the spiritual element of the story more into focus then it otherwise would be. In the Handmaiden's Tale, religion is a hollow thing, a tool used by the state to justify itself. In Year Zero there appears also to be a sort of psudo (or overt) theocracy in place, and the profound effect of the Presence makes...

At least to me

The issue of faith and/or spirituality a little less empty and a little more important then I found it to be in The Handmaiden's Tale.

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 		I've never read the book in question, but comparisons can be made to a great many works. Equilibrium and the drugging of the populace. 1984. Brave New World. I wouldn't consider it a ripoff of any of them; it's just a pretty well defined genre by now.

The Presence makes it different, as as a result seems to be kind of a defining aspect (at least in my mind).

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 		I think I'll be jumping in on this one!
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 		Wow, this and uncovering the Wyoming Incident on another forum I belong to has got me completely excited about ARG's. I've been reading this thread all day today and following the clues and I have to say, this is really great.

Just to contribute to the thread: I seriously think this is going to be some post-apocalypic resolution. The whole Presence/Hand of God thing with WWIII correlation just brings up some good Old Testament wrath.

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 		after reading all 15 pages i thought maybe i could contribute something. it is of course a spec, so here goes.

the terrorist attacks are cover ups for the mass killing of rebels/anarchist/people who aren't sheep. the star chamber thing sounds like it was by the way they locked it down. there are also the reports of other terrorist attacks. just sounds like it may be the administration quietening people.
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Jabba wrote:
after reading all 15 pages i thought maybe i could contribute something. it is of course a spec, so here goes.

the terrorist attacks are cover ups for the mass killing of rebels/anarchist/people who aren't sheep. the star chamber thing sounds like it was by the way they locked it down. there are also the reports of other terrorist attacks. just sounds like it may be the administration quietening people.


But we also have the wire tap that indicates some sort of biological agent or illness.
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 		Some Info
Taken from an article after searched Google WWIV

The term "World War IV" is occasionally used in the United States political and policy debates that continue in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. As long ago as 1992, Count de Marenches, the former head of French intelligence, wrote a book [2] alleging that a "fourth world war", of terrorism versus civilization, was taking place. As a designation for the post-9/11 war on terrorism, its use was first proposed by Eliot A. Cohen in his opinion piece written for the Wall Street Journal opinion page on November 20, 2001 titled, "World War IV: Let's call this conflict what it is."
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The Cold War was World War III, which reminds us that not all global conflicts entail the movement of multimillion-man armies, or conventional front lines on a map. The analogy with the Cold War does, however, suggest some key features of that conflict: that it is, in fact, global; that it will involve a mixture of violent and nonviolent efforts; that it will require mobilization of skill, expertise and resources, if not of vast numbers of soldiers; that it may go on for a long time; and that it has ideological roots.
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And don't know if it was brought up but the police code for investigating the Star Chamber Murders is:
10-48 Not available for assignment/out for coffee or whatever
It's said by both the Sgt. and Sikes?

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 		Copper?
Was wondering about the female agent who comes out of the Star Chamber smelling like copper and crying copper tears?

Found this don't know if it helps:

Copper is critical for energy production in the cells. It is also involved in nerve conduction, connective tissue, the cardiovascular system and the immune system. Copper is closely related to estrogen metabolism, and is required for women's fertility and to maintain pregnancy. Copper stimulates production of the neurotransmitters epinephrine, norepinephrine and dopamine. It is also required for monoamine oxidase, an enzyme related to serotonin production.
Other ways to temporarily control copper toxicity include the use of caffeine or other stimulants.
Part of the appeal of cocaine, Ritalin and amphetamines may be their ability to help lower copper temporarily by stimulating the adrenals. These drugs may make one feel better by affecting the copper balance.
Copper is called the 'psychic' mineral, the 'intuitive' mineral, and a 'feminine' mineral because it is so important for the female reproductive system.
When the personality is not fully integrated or the copper becomes too high, negative traits show up. These include spaciness, racing thoughts, living in a dream world, naivete, childishness, excessive emotions, sentimentality, a tendency to depression, fearfulness, hidden anger and resentments, phobias, psychosis and violence. Artists, inventors and other high-copper types often "live on the edge", in part due to their high copper level.
The copper personality tends to accumulate copper easily. Copper functions as a psychological defense mechanism. It causes one to detach slightly from reality. This provides relief from stress for the sensitive individual. It works well as long as the copper does not become too high. Very high copper can cause a psychotic break from reality, a type of schizophrenia.
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

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