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WolfHawk
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carmenmiranda wrote:
Who do you suppose is "here" and "alive"? Voiphe, or Keir?


Couldn't it be Eva herself? "I'm here. I'm alive."

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:44 pm
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Jediwannabe
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Re: Let's not inform Frankie or Wilson

Pied Piper wrote:
Secondly, I really, really, really don't think that we should give any info to Wilson or Frankie until we absolutely have to. The way I see it, Eva knows the contact info for Wilson and Frankie, and could have just clearly sent them a noncoded message. The fact that she didn't indicates to me that she doesn't trust them. PLUS, keeping the info to ourselves gives us an advantage, at least until we have no other leads.

I disagree with that. I don't think Eva has coded these messages on purpose - they are her attempts to respond to the video sequence to the best of her ability, but by no means should we assume that Eva can contact us as easily as sending an email. If that were the case, she could've just replied back to one of us and explained the whole thing.

No. I just don't buy that. Eva is being held against her will inside some force that she doesn't really understand, and is using her psychic powers and affinity with subject180287 to manipulate it so she can try and communicate back to us. She is only able to do this with a powerful emotion trigger, remember - that was the entire point of Uplink and Sequence.

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If Frankie and Wilson REALLY wanted to collaborate with us, would they be so miserly about giving us information? I don't think so. They'd be giving us every bit of info they could without us even having to ask for it. Wilson would already have let us know exactly what happened to Eva's parents, and not done the "dangling carrot" thing about, "Well, it's such a mystery, gee whiz."

Basically, it's a need to know thing, and at this point, WE don't need THEM to know. Not yet.

I think you've got that the wrong way around. I think it's THEM that don't trust US fully. Remember, Kenkon/Geist is all over the place at the moment, and the risk that one of their agents could infiltrate our chat or off one of them like they did with Keir, is far too great for them to risk exposing how much they know at this point.

Trust is a two-way thing - we need to give a little before we get any back - and so far we KNOW that Kenkon has murdered one of our sources - Frankie and Wilson haven't done anything but assist us so far.

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Pied Piper
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First to reply to WolfHawk's question--I think the reason that Voiphe and Keir are under consideration is because the response was "He's here. He's alive." That was in a post WAY back though, and I'm having trouble remembering my name while working on this game myself, so I keep forgetting stuff like that, too.

Second--you've made some good points, Jediwannabe. Especailly about the coded stuff. I'm still not convinced that we should share what we know with the Dr. and the Prof., though. I'm not saying that we should not give them any info ever, I'm just suggesting that we wait until we have worked on what we've got so far, because maybe once we've unlocked more stuff, we'll have more info on who is trustworthy.

I think that one of the things that we should do is to upload a note to Eva asking her if we can trust Wilson or Francis--but we'll have to be careful how we do that, because presumably, they'll be able to see whatever we put up there. I still think that Frankie Francis may be in cahoots with Kenkon, partly because of that "organizational grid" that was under her desk. And while we know at least a little about the professor, what do we know about Frankie? We need some more info on her from somewhere.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:04 pm
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WolfHawk
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Ok, I found it:

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carmenmiranda
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Hidden text on the Voiphe page: He's alive. He's here.


Thanks Piper.

Ok, then, let me try this; since it IS on the Voiphe page I would think it refers to Voiphe. I haven't been able to see the dancing bear (even taking off my glasses and letting it blur in my vision). Is it really a bear? Or could the bear ears be Kier's glasses instead?

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Pied Piper
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WolfHawk wrote:
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Ok, then, let me try this; since it IS on the Voiphe page I would think it refers to Voiphe. I haven't been able to see the dancing bear (even taking off my glasses and letting it blur in my vision). Is it really a bear? Or could the bear ears be Kier's glasses instead?


Good point as to it being Voiphe. I'm keeping an open mind, but am leaning toward it being Voiphe.

Even though I can't actually see the thing myself, I think that given that "Voiphe" gave us the web site to try, it's probably Voiphe.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:23 pm
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Okay... so here is what we do, those of us who want to tell the Prof and Frankie, go ahead. those who don't, don't. The best part about PMing is if something is not supposed to happen, the PM team will ignore it. If we are NOT supposed to tell them... then it really won't matter if we do.

HOWEVER, I really don't think it matters if it is "us" who doesn't trust them, or them who doesn't trust "us". they are really the ones guiding us, they are the ones giving us stuff to do. if not for the Prof and Frankie, we would still be sitting twiddling our thimbs saying "we gotta find eva!!!" with no clue.


{{on a side note, i don't know if it is voipie or keir, i bet on keir though. as for the 3d thing, i can see something bouncing around, i just could never make out the full on shape so... oh well.}}
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:26 pm
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Pied Piper
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Wait a tick!

Pixiestix, also some good points. I'm still hesitant to contact the Dynamic Duo, but then I'm a really cautious type. And in the end, we've each gotta do what we've each gotta do.

Maybe we could tell the Duo that we think we're getting close to achieving contact, but we need to know more about Montauk? We've got to get the Prof to fork over some info, because he won't normally say anything, but we've got them over a barrel if we indicate that this is the price of admission.

And I just noticed something. That reassuring little bit to Eva--notice that it says "Eva. We think we know what happened Please let us know if you can read this. Eva. Do not be afraid. You are not alone. We will help you. I can hear you."

Everything is "we" until that last sentence. Who is saying "I" can hear you? Is this a mistake by the PMs, or is someone playing a lone wolf on us?

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Sylvia
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Eva is the one saying "I can hear you." That's why we have to communicate with here through the uplink.html page.

Here is a break down of what was said: (see images below and on http://www.subject180287.net/uplink.html )

Russel wrote:
Eva, we think we know what happened. Please let us know if you can read this.

daemon666 wrote:
Eva, do not be afraid. You are not alone. We will help you.

Eva wrote:
I can hear you.


I assumed everyone understood this or I would have said something sooner.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:09 pm
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Pixiestix
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Both of those messages/pictures was also in the video - no way to prove it was one or the other....


{SPEC} Yes, we were told previously to use the uplink page to communicate with Eva... but it netted no results. It wasn't until the video was uploaded in some manner that eva responded in any way. Also it was Frankie who told us to use UPLINK before.... so i would "assume" she told us to do the video as a second chance.

Now, I am not saying to stop using the uplink page... if we weren't meant to use it in some fashion I am sure the PMs would turn off the updating.
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Sylvia
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I made this for those who can't see the bear bouncing across the screen. This is not exact, but close enough to give you an idea.

pretend there is only one bear and follow it across the screen as it bounces from left to right, top to bottom then right to left, etc..
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Chramey
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Sequence Video

We were told that blocks of text wouldn't be of any use in the video. I remember that from somewhere. I believe it is on the website about making the video. I think that she is responding to the uplink page.

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Pied Piper
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Thanks for clarifying on the message, Sylvia. With wondering whom we can trust, it gets confusing to figure out who is saying what.

I feel much better.

It's also nice to see the bear. Definitely a bear.

Hey, Chramey, could you find that info about the video and post a link? That would be really helpful, because then we know exactly where we stand.

In the meantime, maybe we should do a test and post another picture there asking for a specific answer? You know like, "Eva, if you can read this, would you reply back by saying 'I love Voiphe'?"

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carmenmiranda
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Pied Piper wrote:
Hey, Chramey, could you find that info about the video and post a link?


I'm not Chramey, but it is on the http://www.sri-uk.org/sequence.html page:

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Eva will see this sequence as if it is a dream, so blocks of text won't be helpful.


I agree with Pied Piper about not giving out information, but I can also see the other points.

One of the things that's been cool has been just how much collaboration we have needed to do to get this far--like one person knows how to decompile a flash page, another person can spot that there's a "magic eye" picture but can't see what the picture is, and so we each have to rely on the talents of others to progress to the next step. Really cool.

At any rate, I don't like to talk about what the PMs will and will not do--this isn't a game, remember. I think we need to think about what we would do in a real-life situation where there are consequences for our actions, and a person's life hangs in the balance.

Since some of us think that we should tell them nothing, and some of us think we should tell all, maybe we should compromise and tell them some but not all. For example, we could not give them the access page that has the entire menu on it, but we could give them the feedbeefface page.

I also like the idea of trying to trade off information. Like saying that we'd like to know more about where this subjectyaddayadda is physically located, or where Eva is physically located, or anything at all that may eventually put us in the position where we don't HAVE to rely on people we don't know whether to trust in order to move forward.

If this were a real life situation, and someone who I cared about had been kidnapped, I would NOT be saying, "Oh, let's just let them lead us." I'd want to be the one in control. I'd want all of the information, and I'd want to be putting myself in the situation where *I* was the one who was telling people what needed to be done next.

We have an emotional link to Eva, as her friends. Professor Wilson has an emotional link to Eva, as her surrogate father figure. Frankie is the only one without a reason to have an emotional link to Eva, and right now, she's in the driver's seat, and I think we should do what we can to change that situation.

Again, my two cents. YMMV

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