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[S2] [Dice set] #232 Gel Together
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AndyAndyO
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 		Updated wrong answers list.
Considering this is the last unsolved card of this wave, the forums seem to be rather quiet lately!

Mindez wrote (On perplexorum) 'So is this turning into another "guess random words until we get it right" card?'
And Rand0m replied, 'Ruddy well hope not!'

Well, I have been working on this card on and off – still no breakthrough, but unlike some puzzlers I believe the one way I might have a chance to solve this card is via a lucky (or inspired) guess!
Moreover, incorrect guesses may provide the catalyst whereby someone else follows a line of enquiry that leads to the correct solution. I would never have solved "Collage" – I claim a first solve but then I'll probably never know – if I hadn't followed someone else's inspired guesswork.

Lines of enquiry I have been trying include:
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* Investigating ligand number 232 (the card number)
*Investigating ligand GEL
*Investigating possible ligands hidden within the animal names… e.g. GIRaffe, RABbit
*Trying to use some of the numerical data from the ligands that have been identified to form some kind of graph.
*Looking for specific links or relationships between any two of the animals pictured on the card.


I have prepared an alphabetical list of incorrect answers tested so far (though there's no guarantee that the right answer isn't hidden somewhere here, judging by the experiences with other card solutions.)
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Adam, agonist, amniotes, antigen, Ararat
BSE
cadherin, cancer, cenancestor, ceretin, chimera, Cloning, Cow, creation
deoxyribonucleic, deoxyribonucleicacid, DNA, dolly
Eden, electrophoresis, elephant, Eukaryotes, evolution
fropig, frippo
genesis, genetics, genome
insulin
haemoglobin, homeobox, homosexual, hybridomas, hydrolase
keratin
Leopon, liger, ligand, LUCA
marozi, Minotaur, monkey, morphogenesis, morphogens, myelin
neurulation, Noah
organogenesis, osteoporosis
phosphoserine, phylogenetics, phylogenetic, polyclonal, Polysaccharides,
progenitor, protein, proteins, pumapard
serine, sheep, spine
tigon, tretretretre, transgenic, transferrin
vertebra
wolphin
zedonk, zorse



Feel free to re-try these answers for yourself, or add your incorrect guesses to the forum.
Hundreds of people must be working on this card – please post on the forums what type of lines you're following, and what answers haven't worked.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:56 am
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Makadabo
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 		More thoughts and wrong answers
Wanted to add my guesses to the didn't work thread:

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Walrus (name of the card reminded me of The Beatle's "Come Together" which mentions only the animal walrus


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Life (trying the sentence pattern route, thought it might read "half of it will always be ...something"


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Coronavirus (don't even remember the line of thought and research that took me there - had something to do with a virus commonly found in the animals pictured)


Have also pondered:

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primordial ooze (rather gel-like) -- 6 animals vs 7 continents (Penguin native to Antarctica, Indian elephant to Asia, Giraffe to Africa, etc. but got nowhere with that line of thought -- species/myths thought of as being "missing links"


PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:10 pm
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AndyAndyO
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 		Wrong answers update!
Here's the latest update of incorrect answers!

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aardvark, Adam, agonist, amniotes, antigen, apple, Ararat, Archaeopteryx, ark, Atlantis
beagle, BSE
cadherin, catalyst, cancer, cenancestor, ceretin, chimera, clone, cloning, coronavirus, cow, creation
deoxyribonucleic, deoxyribonucleicacid, dingo, DNA, Dolly, dove
Eden, electrophoresis, elephant, enzyme, Eukaryotes, evolution, extinction
flood, fropig, frippo
garden, genesis, genetics, genome, gopher
insulin
haemoglobin, heterosexual, homeobox, homosexual, hybridomas, hydrolase
keratin
legend, leopon, life, liger, ligand, ligands, LUCA, Lucy
marozi, meat, Minotaur, monkey, morphogenesis, morphogens, myelin
neurulation, Noah
organogenesis, osteoporosis
phosphoserine, phylogenetics, phylogenetic, polyclonal, polysaccharides,
progenitor, protein, proteins, pumapard
rainbow, raven, red
saccharides, serine, serpent, sheep, spine, snake
thrombosis, tigon, Tiktaalik, tretretretre, transgenic, transferrin, transmutation, turkey
variation, vertebra, vertebrate
walrus, wolphin
zedonk, zebra, zorse


Needless to say, if you've been trying something else, please keep posting, so that I can update the list!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:34 am
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Sarah B
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 		I don't have this card, but never mind that... Smile

My thoughts:

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Since the title is 'Gel Together', does putting the ligand GEL in the gaps give you anything that means anything? I'm not a biologist of any sort, so don't know.


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I've tried converting the ligands into numbers by using the number of non-hydrogen atoms (don't know why I thought that was a good idea, but there you go). You get numbers mostly under 26 but not quite, and a row of gobbledegook if you convert them to letters.
First four lines to give you an idea:
A E W
F F O
G G O
E G S etc.

Maybe worth trying a similar thing with other types of atom? Or how many hydrogens they do have, instead of don't?


And lastly...

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When searching through the ligands, the site I used didn't have ZH3 or GU5 on. Is that just me? Or is it significant in some way?


I apologise for anything I say which is none helpful - this is my first card puzzle post. Smile

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:58 am
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grendelrob
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Location: Nebraska

 		I have finally had the chance to look at this again.

First off, here are a couple more guesses that haven't worked...
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hylonomus and casineria. These are two early amniotes (which is where on the "tree" all of the background animals meet).


Something else I noticed about the ligands was that all but 3 of them have a plus or minus 1 charge. The other thing I noticed was that all of the charges cancel each other out within the groups (within columns) except for 3 of them. And, only the middle column has a total charge (-1). Here is a layout of the charges...
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-1     -1     +1
+1     +1     -1
+1     +1     -1
-1      0     -1
       -1
-1     -1     +1
+1            +1
       +1     -1
-1     -1     -1
+1     +1     +1
       -1      0
-1            +2
+1     -1
+1     +1
-1


I'm note really sure what meaning that could hold, but thought it interesting.

Rob

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:20 pm
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AndyAndyO
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 		Still trying different things, and can confirm that the one-word answer to the mysterious question is not....
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Yes
No
or Maybe !!!


PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:02 pm
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nicksc
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 		an idea
Just a thought, and I have looked and nobody seems to have mentioned it, but does anybody think this card might have something to do with any of
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William Blakes' poems, mainly The Human Abstract, which talks about creatures in and living off a tree. The design of the card has made me look into this a bit closer, but nothing regarding one word answers has been fruitful. (no pun intended). I have tried Blake and Abstract


PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:23 pm
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Shaph
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 		Going along the lines of looking at literary references, I can now conclude that the following two answers don't work:

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Yggdrasil
Ragnarok


PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:11 pm
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AndyAndyO
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 		Gel Together wrong answers update.
Last Card unsolved in Season 2 Wave 1 - incorrect guesses.
Time for the latest update!

Here are the incorrect answers as they stand at the moment - alphabetically - with a disclaimer that I haven't personally checked every one!

Thanks to all those who are not afraid to post their attempts. Hope I haven't missed any.....


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aardvark, abstract, Adam, agonist, amniotes, antigen, apple, Ararat, Archaeopteryx, ark, Atlantis
bacteria, beagle, Blake, BSE
cadherin, casineria, catalyst, catalysts, cancer, cenancestor, ceretin, chimera, chordara, clay, clone, cloning, compounds, coronavirus, cow, creation
deoxyribonucleic, deoxyribonucleicacid, dingo, Disney, DNA, Dolly, dove
Eden, electrophoresis, elephant, enzyme, enzymes, Eukaryotes, evolution, extinction
flood, fly, fropig, frippo
garden, genesis, genetics, genome, glue, gopher
insulin
haemoglobin, hair, heterosexual, homeobox, homosexual, human, hybridomas, hydrolase, hylonomus
Kabbalah, keratin
legend, legends, leopon, life, liger, ligand, ligands, LUCA, Lucy
marozi, maybe, meat, migratory, Minotaur, monkey, morphogenesis, morphogens, myelin
Narnia, neurulation, no, Noah
Organic, organogenesis, osteoporosis
phosphoserine, phylogenetics, phylogenetic, pigment, pigments, plague, polyclonal, Polyethylene, polymerization, polysaccharides, progenitor, protein, proteins, pumapard
Ragnarok, rainbow, raven, red
saccharides, sasquatch, serine, serpent, sheep, spine, snake, synthetic
thrombosis, tigon, Tiktaalik, tretretretre, transgenic, transferrin, transmutation, turkey
variation, vertebra, vertebrate, virus
walrus, wolphin
yes, yeti, Ygdrassil, Yggdrasil
zedonk, zebra, zorse


Let's crack this card before Wave 2!!

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:15 pm
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poozleModerator
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 		Re: Gel Together wrong answers update.
Last Card unsolved in Season 2 Wave 1 - incorrect guesses.
AndyAndyO wrote:
Let's crack this card before Wave 2!!


I quite like the idea of it NOT being solved by Wave 2 Smile Like Wave 1 from season 1, a few cards that didn't get solved (well, still haven't been Razz).

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:58 pm
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kie_yeo
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 		If this is indeed the last unsolved card of S2W1 (discounting #234) then why has there been no new posts for a month and a half?

Is everybody jumping ship to somewhere else that i'm not aware of (other than perplexorum), or is no-one making any progress with this card or having any truly inspirational ideas?

I like this forum and have viewed it regularly since early on in season 1 - i haven't contributed much granted, but sometimes it's better to stay quiet than show yourself up lol. What i'm saying is can we recontinue the discussion, or someone enlighten me as to where everyones gone, or even someone tell me you've all solved it and i'm being a numpty.....................1,2 or 3?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:53 pm
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echidna
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 		As far as I know no one's solved it and there aren't any other PXC forums other than here, Perplexorum and the official WeLovePuzzles forum.

Unfortunately there's been significantly less collaboration and discussion of the Season 2 cards overall in comparison with Season 1. I think part of the problem is that we're now spread out over 3 forums instead of all being in one place and that's had a very divisive effect on the community spirit. Also, I think quite a lot of veteran players were holding back on buying the cards until they'd seen how the ARG was going to pan out. As that's now been shelved Crying or Very sad many people have lost all faith in Mind Candy and all interest in working on the cards.

Sorry, that doesn't help solve the card at all. I have to admit I've run out of ideas on that front Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:06 pm
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trk
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 		Well, I got this card the other day and have been trying a few things but no luck so far.

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I tried the Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) animals. I thought the groupings could represent Lion, Man and Ox (because of 4 in the first column, 3 in second and 2 in third) so first tried Eagle and John. No luck, so tried the other words Lion, Man, Ox, Matthew, Mark & Luke.

I also tried Fas since google showed that as a common ligand in animals. Read lots about ligands, which has just got me even more confused. Wondered if it may be something to do with which proteins bind to those ligands, but I couldn't find out which proteins they'd be. I'm not a chemist or biologist.

I think my next guesses are going to be Chinese year animals.


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 		Following the idea of gell I can confirm that the following aren't the right answer:
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acrylamide, polyacrylamide, agarose


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rosemary
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 		more wrong answers
Can also confirm it's not
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Mendel, drosophila or rat


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