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phensley · Decorated Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Posts: 183

Iris receives stange phone call about the WAND

**Posted:** Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:10 pm

dmax

Suggestion:

**Posted:** Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:32 am

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Re: Suggestion:

**Posted:** Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:53 am

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Re: Iris receives stange phone call about the WAND

**Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:56 pm

dmax

So which ones are the Guides, or the DEGs, or... Question

**Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:18 pm

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I think the guides are Avalon and the DEGs are Analogue.

**Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:23 pm

dmax

**Posted:** Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:47 am

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dashcat

Ok here goes.

This paragraph came from Phyllis's recounting of her trip to the ashram.

Wes stepped away from us toward the strange one who had spoken and said with a kind of quiet resignation, "It is true, then." And the strange one replied, "It is not your time yet, old man. Though once you served our enemies, you may yet be of some use to us. Go, and take these fools, and this message with you:We are the question and the answer, the disease as well as the cure. The secrets of the past joined to the wonders of the future. The servants of those above. As the old beliefs and ways
fade away, we are the inheritors of the numinous. Soon, those who have learned what they should not, will find what price that they must pay. The servants and followers of Avalon have no power here.Like the Nine, they shall lose their way and their power. You and your allies are but pawns on a board you cannot even see. The knowledge and power are the rightful reward of those who ascend. Now leave. There is nothing here for you."

Then there is this connection from Sarah's notes as retold by Phyllis to Enaxor.

Dear Roxanne,
You wrote:
"The "castle tower" symbol you described in the painting doesn't mean anything to me, but for some reason makes me think of King Arthur, Camelot, Avalon, Merlin, you know, the knights of the round table kind of things." Well, of course! I had forgotten Sarah Wyatt's notes that I found in the trunk! I believe she wrote about a dream or vision she had? There was a kingly figure with banners behind him. One banner had a six-fingered hand on it and the other had a castle on it. And he cried, Avalon! Oh, I wish I had made copies of those notes before giving them to Mrs. Dobbs for the auction.

And we know that six fingers is synonymous with the guides.

That leaves the DEGs and Analogue.

**Posted:** Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:08 am

Elijah Snow · Veteran Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 133 Location: Cin Sity

Wow, I'm on a roll this morning... Laughing

Mirrors. Reflections. Two sides of the same coin. What if the guides and DEG's are the mirror universe equivalents of one another. Just look for goatees and bad attitudes and you'll know which is which (sorry bad Star Trek joke). Very Happy

Thoughts?

**Posted:** Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:20 am

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**Posted:** Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:55 pm

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dmax

**Posted:** Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:45 pm

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konamouse

hey, two sides of the same coin?? that reminds me of two of the real world objects that were mailed out (from Meaghan's box).

the clay coin, and then the foil impression of the same coin.

**Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:07 am

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**Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:20 am

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sjct

I've been reading Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon." (Wish I'd read it before the game started. I might have been more help on the puzzle codes if I had.) About page 802 in the paperback edition, Enoch Root goes on a riff about Athena and it got me thinking about the owl coin. The owl side is what has been shown repeatedly but the Athena side, the hidden side, might matter more in this story. Root defines Athena as representing technology. We've been looking at Avalon and Analogue as rival factions of science and religion/myth. But, we could be more accurately be thinking about the Guides and the Seven as technology and mythology and their current conflict would not be so much a war as the shake-up that occurs with a merger. Wes said that neither side was good or bad, that it was more complicated than that. So, I'm thinking that the seemingly opposed forces are actually united in their desires to keep secrets and in their efforts to keep humanity/us in the dark, they are actually working together and using the characters like pawns to achieve their goals.

**Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:49 am

dmax

I just picked up Cryptowhatever too! Hoping I can make more headway into it this week. only about 1/5 through it thus far. Reminds me of Pynchon.

**Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:10 am

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