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RothkoWoofed
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Chramey wrote:
Or are the male and female the John D and Caroline that he refers to on the student page?
Ah! Good catch! Quite probably yeh.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:30 pm
Rekidk
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Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 992 Location: Indiana, USA
Hm... So Eva was embedded with a 's180287' chip when her mother was in the second trimester of pregnancy--then, Eva was born on that date. I wonder if this means that her experimenters controlled her DOB?
Also, this confirms that Eva did, indeed, have a tracking device embedded in her.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:56 pm
Jediwannabe
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RothkoWoofed wrote:
-Wilson leaks data to Mr Mcgill(breaking Code D.) Mr Mcgill shortly after dies in' fatal accident caused by alcoholic intoxication'. Ie. is assassinated by Kenkon to secure the data Wilson leaked.
Not Kenkon - Montauk. They died in 1993, which is when it looks like the whole project was abandoned, but KenKon didn't purchase the information on these experiments until 2006. The only assassination we can pin on Kenkon at this point is Keir.
This is what I mean about the timeline being confusing regarding Wilson's employment at this point. Either he was tracked down and hired by Kenkon to work for SRI - or SRI was part of the Montauk project, which was "bought out" by Kenkon after they acquired the information.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:09 pm
RothkoWoofed
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Not Kenkon - Montauk
Yup, you're absolutely right. Another silly mistake. It was Montauk /US military. Anyone care to post their own conclusions that aren't riddled with blatant mistakes like mine!
Soo... sleepy!
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:26 pm
UnimportantHero
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John B.?
I dont know why but for some reason that brings to mind the song "The Wreck of the John B" and this probably because I have a friend at karaoke (not named JOhn B) whose stage name is John B and he always sings that song. I mean, it IS considered a ghost (geist) ship...? Clue? Or creative license? Who knows.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:28 pm
newb0y
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UnimportantHero wrote:
John B.?
I dont know why but for some reason that brings to mind the song "The Wreck of the John B" and this probably because I have a friend at karaoke (not named JOhn B) whose stage name is John B and he always sings that song. I mean, it IS considered a ghost (geist) ship...? Clue? Or creative license? Who knows.
There's a great musical connection here:
The Beach Boys sang "Sloop John B" and the lead singer of the Beach Boys was......Brian Wilson
EDIT: They also sang a song called "Caroline, No"
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:52 pm
newb0y
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Just realised that the message from Brian Wilson contains a lot of references to Beach Boys songs: All from the Pet Sounds album
God Only Knows
You Still Believe in Me
Don't Talk
Let's Go Away For A While
I Know There's No Answer (actually I Know There's An Answer) and originally titled "Hang on To Your Ego"
Here Today
I Just Wasn't Made for These Times
I'm Waiting for the Day
Sloop John B
Caroline, No
Pet Sounds - (Hear her cat miaow again)
Very clever.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:09 pm
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Pied Piper
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So clever that it seems like the Beach Boys must be a clue.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:13 pm
UnimportantHero
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Hurrah! I hit upon another thingie! ^_^
This makes me feel good.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:14 pm
legioninfinity
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And brother Newb0y scores the solve:
nice one
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:18 pm
newb0y
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Ok I found another site
http://www.sri-uk.org/BWpersonal/petsounds.html
A picture of Brian Wilson with Erwin
EDIT:
Have started a new thread for it here http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=308365#308365
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:19 pm
newb0y
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So if John B and Caroline were just clues to get to the Pet Sounds website does that mean we are still looking for a male and female for Experiments 1 and 2.
I am still thinking that Experiment 1 might have been Keir - do we know how old he was ?
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:45 pm
Rekidk
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No, we never confirmed Keir's age--but the pictures (and the fact that Eva was totally ready to date him) fits perfectly with the age of the male, experiment 1 (about two-three months older than Eva).
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:20 pm
WolfHawk
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Quote:
File name: Experiment 4 of 4/ "mei"
Experiment 4 Update : Now known as Subject180287
I guess her father was an alcoholic unless the records were doctored - notice hs is listed as intoxicated when he took his pregnant wife in for the fibroid removal.
Do we know Eva's full name? It just occured to me that "mei" could refer to "McGill, Eva I."
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:31 am
carmenmiranda
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Wow, BRILLIANT solve!
One other thing. Here are a couple of quotes from the page:
http://lightnet.co.uk/frontier/montauk.htm
Quote:
It also became apparent that Preston had been programmed to operate on two different time tracks. During the surfacing of his suppressed memories, Preston began to experience lost time and the occurrence of unsynchronised events, for example he would frequently find that during his working day his hands would become damaged and treated with a plaster without any conscious recollection on his part of how or when this had happened.
...
While operating as Assistant Project Director he was involved in developing and designing some highly technical equipment which involved a lot of shunting around of heavy machinery, whereby his hands were frequently being caught and injured.
Do you think we're supposed to be drawing conclusions about Eva losing time and injuring her foot?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:59 am
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