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 		I just had a similar conversation with her. Nothing new to add, however. Except maybe that gracesmominnh works in a grocery store.

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New conversation started at 4/24/07 6:25:50 AM.
staxnet1 (6:25:50 AM): Hi Sharon. Are you there. I wanted to thank you for adding me as friend on LJ and intoduce meself. I'm Stax.
"gracesmominnh" is away from the computer as of 6:26:07 AM.

"gracesmominnh" is back at the computer as of 6:31:57 AM.

gracesmominnh (6:32:07 AM): Hi Stax!
gracesmominnh (6:32:15 AM): sry I was on the phone
gracesmominnh (6:32:24 AM): gala checking up on me Smile
staxnet1 (6:32:31 AM): No problem. Good morning.
staxnet1 (6:32:41 AM): Ah, I see. How is she doing?
gracesmominnh (6:33:45 AM): she gets up early to do yoga or something
gracesmominnh (6:34:02 AM): were trying to figure out if I should go meet him or not
staxnet1 (6:34:31 AM): Nico? That is a tough one. I saw he is trying to make contact. Any thoughts?
gracesmominnh (6:35:22 AM): well yucky says I shouldnt go and if he was nearby I think hed lock me in my room
gracesmominnh (6:35:41 AM): gala wants to find out what he wants
staxnet1 (6:36:39 AM): Hah. Yucky is very protective, huh? I kind of want to find out what he wants as well. He could have important information for us all. Has he tried to contact you since yesterday?
gracesmominnh (6:37:10 AM): I havent emailed him back yet
gracesmominnh (6:37:20 AM): oh crap how do i get rid of italics
staxnet1 (6:38:08 AM): Not sure. Hit the "I" icon in the formatting pane?
Are you ready for the 30th? What are you doing to prepare?
gracesmominnh (6:38:31 AM): haha thats supposed to be my question to you
staxnet1 (6:39:37 AM): Yes, well, I have been expanding my earthquake preparedness kit. Big time. Wink
gracesmominnh (6:40:22 AM): heh
gracesmominnh (6:40:30 AM): we are starting a garden
gracesmominnh (6:40:44 AM): and I cleaned up my bike
gracesmominnh (6:40:55 AM): tryinhg to find one of those trailers for grace
staxnet1 (6:41:23 AM): I have been working on my bike as well. The trailers are great. Long commute or are you a stay at home mom?


gracesmominnh (6:41:31 AM): its not too far
gracesmominnh (6:41:56 AM): I work at a grocery store
staxnet1 (6:42:02 AM): I see. I have about an hour by bike. I need the exercise.
staxnet1 (6:42:25 AM): A grocery store? That will be an interesting place once the oil shock arrives.
staxnet1 (6:43:33 AM): Keeping shelves stocked will be a trick. Seen anything interesting on the internet lately involving the pending crisis?
gracesmominnh (6:43:54 AM): just the stuff gala and mpathytest pass along
gracesmominnh (6:44:13 AM): yeah my boss is an idiot who doesnt believe theres a crisis coming
staxnet1 (6:45:00 AM): I have a few of those in my office as well. I worry that I am starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist.
staxnet1 (6:45:44 AM): I do what I can to warn them, but I suspect they won't take action until the crisis is upon us. I am worried that this is going to get nasty.
staxnet1 (6:46:39 AM): Which way are you leaning with respect to contacting Nico?
gracesmominnh (6:47:33 AM): its frustrating isnt it? you want to shake them hard sometimes
gracesmominnh (6:47:36 AM): I dunno
gracesmominnh (6:47:56 AM): If peeps think I should go, I could probably do it
gracesmominnh (6:48:16 AM): Uncle Frank says he will go w/me if we find someone to watch Grace for us
staxnet1 (6:49:21 AM): yes, if you go, take Uncle Frank. Don't go alone. If I still lived in Vermont, I'd offer to tag along. When might you reply to Nico?
gracesmominnh (6:50:09 AM): Im waiting for gala and yucky to hash it out
gracesmominnh (6:50:20 AM): he wont be up for awhile knowing him
staxnet1 (6:50:44 AM): What makes you think he is a late sleeper?
gracesmominnh (6:52:01 AM): heh Ive tried calling him in the mornings before
gracesmominnh (6:52:05 AM): plus the time difference
staxnet1 (6:53:11 AM): Oh, you mean Yucky. I thought you were talking about Nico.

In any case, I am thinking about contacting a local pirate radio station about the crisis. I am worried they will think I am another Berkeley crackpot, however.
gracesmominnh (6:53:49 AM): heh
gracesmominnh (6:53:58 AM): we can all be crackpots together then Smile
staxnet1 (6:54:19 AM): indeed. So long as we keep our heads.
staxnet1 (6:54:46 AM): Do think G and Yuck will make a decision about contacting Nico today?
gracesmominnh (6:55:11 AM): I dunno they are both pretty stubborn
staxnet1 (6:55:39 AM): So its decision by committee then?
gracesmominnh (6:57:18 AM): heh maybe
gracesmominnh (6:57:26 AM): I still get to say no if I dont like the idea
gracesmominnh (6:57:35 AM): but I promised Id listen to everyone first
staxnet1 (6:58:24 AM): Good policy. We are going to need to listen to each other in the coming months. The final say should be yours. I agree. You do have to be careful, especially being a mom.
gracesmominnh (6:59:40 AM): right
staxnet1 (7:00:44 AM): Well, I need to jump in the shower and then catch my train. Public transportation today. Wink

In any case, I hope we can talk again. It was a pleasure meeting you. Be careful and good luck to the Bo Sox tonight.
gracesmominnh (7:01:06 AM): thanks! Go SOX!!!!
staxnet1 (7:01:19 AM): bye
gracesmominnh (7:01:22 AM): bye
Conversation ended at 4/24/07 7:01:31 AM.

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poeticexplosion wrote:
rose wrote:
Quick question - which of the 8TSOC is writing rumpletoe at live journal? I didn't see it on the wiki.


Rumpletoe is a player, is he not?

EDIT: Yes, he's a player who goes by Jegger here.


Yeah, it was weird to see my name in one of the interactions Smile Never had that happen!

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 		[INTERACTION] Another GracesMom Convo
A little bit of info on exactly what happened to the community back in January. Found it hard to figure out from the posts
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9:08:30 AM rumpletoe: Good Morning! We haven't talked before, but I certainly hope you're feeling better since your post yesterday.
9:09:00 AM gracesmominnh: Hi! thanx yes a bit better
9:09:08 AM gracesmominnh: still dont know what to do tho
9:09:24 AM gracesmominnh: yucky says dont go, gala says we should find out what he wants
9:09:54 AM gracesmominnh: and Uncle Frank just put on his Clash CD--Should I Stay or Should I Go lol
9:10:00 AM rumpletoe: Are there already arrangements for you to meet him, or are you waiting for him to contact you?
9:10:19 AM gracesmominnh: I havent emailed him back yet we're trying to figure out what to do
9:10:23 AM rumpletoe: If you go there will be trouble, if you stay it will be double Smile
9:10:46 AM gracesmominnh: exactly! I am really lol because grace is dancing
9:10:56 AM gracesmominnh: it makes it all seem not so icky
9:11:07 AM rumpletoe: Smile I have a one year old myself. They're precious, aren't they
9:11:09 AM gracesmominnh: <3 my family
9:11:34 AM rumpletoe: Well, does he know about our community here?
9:12:13 AM gracesmominnh: well yeah when gala set it up at first he sent her an email and told her to shut it down
9:12:25 AM rumpletoe: Oh, I see. I didn't realize that...
9:12:47 AM gracesmominnh: thats why she was so angry at mpathytest for hacking in and opening it up again
9:12:53 AM gracesmominnh: we were worried
9:13:11 AM rumpletoe: Ok, I didn't understand those posts back in Jan. It's clear now
9:13:15 AM gracesmominnh: but now we know we cant let me bully us
9:13:20 AM gracesmominnh: him!
9:13:26 AM gracesmominnh: not me him sheesh
9:13:27 AM rumpletoe: Geez, I wish you had some backup
9:13:56 AM rumpletoe: So he wants to meet in person?
9:14:12 AM gracesmominnh: yeah
9:14:22 AM gracesmominnh: he says he needs to talk to me f2f
9:14:38 AM gracesmominnh: and that we can "help each other"
9:14:48 AM gracesmominnh: and that we "owe" him
9:16:09 AM rumpletoe: I really don't understand why he doesn't want the word out. Very strange. Well, I think you're the only one who can do this. Can Uncle Frank go with you?
9:16:36 AM rumpletoe: Meet at a mall or something?
9:16:40 AM gracesmominnh: oh yeah frank and his friend, his service revolver
9:16:43 AM rumpletoe: Someplace VERY public
9:16:50 AM gracesmominnh: hes not taking any chances
9:16:56 AM rumpletoe: Good. Glad to know that he can protect you
9:17:32 AM rumpletoe: Nico doesn't seem like the type to do anything blatant in public
9:17:45 AM gracesmominnh: if yucky was here I think hed lock me in my room or something, hes really against it
9:18:59 AM rumpletoe: Yeah, I saw his comment. I really think we need Nico's info though. He knows more about what's happening than any of us.
9:19:28 AM gracesmominnh: thats what gala says, she wants to know if he has more info about whats gonna happen
9:20:30 AM rumpletoe: Perhaps we could arrange that you post at a certain time once the meeting is over. That way we know if something was wrong
9:20:49 AM rumpletoe: And can get help
9:21:21 AM gracesmominnh: yeah I think your right about being in a very public place he wouldnt dare try anything there
9:21:51 AM gracesmominnh: assuming I go at all, Im still not sure
9:22:18 AM gracesmominnh: WHY ME AAAAAAAAAARGH
9:22:50 AM gracesmominnh: why couldnt he be in texas and bug chuckles, lol
9:23:00 AM rumpletoe: Well, whatever you decide, I'm impressed at how well you're hanging in there. Nobody would blame you if you didn't go.
9:23:23 AM rumpletoe: That's a good question. It almost sounds like he's in trouble
9:23:51 AM gracesmominnh: I dont feel like Im hanging in there! but thnaks
9:23:58 AM gracesmominnh: yeah maybe he is
9:24:55 AM gracesmominnh: phone gtg it might be gala
9:24:57 AM rumpletoe: I have to go to work now. Good luck!
9:25:01 AM rumpletoe: Bye
9:25:04 AM gracesmominnh: thx
9:25:06 AM gracesmominnh: bye!
Changed status to Away: Enter away message text here. (9:26:01 AM)
Changed status to Idle (10:31:36 AM)


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 		more meta
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yup, I've decided to move my post to Meta afterall! On the note of derailing though, we need to get a section going for this game soon, with a thread for strategies, a thread for Nico subplot, etc.

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 		Finally, I had an IG instant messenger convo! Nothing new really, except the somewhat interesting idea that Nico is himself being threatened.


AIM wrote:
[12:48] gurrtin: Hey, you probably don't know me, I'm PoeticExplosion on livejournal. Sorry to bother you, but I wanted to ask what you "inner circle" types thought about Nico's emails to gracesmom.
[12:49] mPathytest: well, I'm not scared of Nico -- at least not as scared as some folks
[12:50] mPathytest: although I have no idea what he's up to
[12:50] mPathytest: meeting so close to the mystery date?
[12:50] mPathytest: if you have any ideas, feel free to share
[12:51] gurrtin: My only real concern is why he can't tell her whatever it is over email
[12:51] mPathytest: EXACTLY
[12:51] mPathytest: i know this is "high confidence" and all, but in person suggests something rather unusual, doesn't it?
[12:51] gurrtin: Right
[12:52] gurrtin: either he's up to no good or there's some weird circumstance we don't know about (like his computer's insecure or something)
[12:53] gurrtin: So, just so I understand, you guys have been getting a creepy vibe off him, right?
[12:56] mPathytest: `it's so hard to say!
[12:56] mPathytest: he has inside knowledge -- is that because he's a good guy or a bad guy? leaking it to us suggests good guy, right?
[12:56] mPathytest: why would a bad guy want to give ordinary citizens a head's up?
[12:56] gurrtin: but threatening you suggests bad guy
[12:56] gurrtin: he's hard to understand!
[12:57] mPathytest: true. an enigma. maybe he's being threatened -- sometimes you can't help letting that spill over
[12:57] mPathytest: okay I have to run
[12:57] gurrtin: ok, thanks for chatting
[12:57] mPathytest: but I really am glad to hear your thoughts on this!! multiple POV really helps
[12:57] mPathytest: ttyl
[12:57] gurrtin: ttyl

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lirath (12:48:22 PM): hey there
mPathytest (12:45:44 PM): hey lirath!
lirath (12:49:11 PM): how's things? (considering)
mPathytest went away at 12:49:13 PM.
mPathytest returned at 12:49:20 PM.
lirath (12:49:45 PM): it's still beautiful and sunny here in MI
lirath (12:50:08 PM): The library I run is actually on a golf course
lirath (12:50:34 PM): I'm fairly sure we're the only library in the country with its own pro shop
mPathytest (12:48:48 PM): it's really unusually hot here in South Jersey today too! don't get me started on weird weather patterns though
mPathytest (12:49:04 PM): we'll deal with oil first, then climate. not that the two aren't inextricably linked...
mPathytest (12:49:19 PM): a library on a golf course?? wow.
lirath (12:52:36 PM): heh...didn't know you were s jersey. I used to run the library up in Wayne
lirath (12:53:35 PM): that was cool - mountain trails only minutes away but 20 miles east was manhattan
mPathytest (12:50:48 PM): ah, Wayne
mPathytest (12:51:02 PM): I had a friend in high school who moved down from Wayne and was driving up to see her friends there
mPathytest (12:51:08 PM): small world

lirath (12:55:00 PM): very true.. hey, I know you and Sharon have had issues in the past, but have you heard that Nico's looking to meet her f2f?
mPathytest (12:52:03 PM): yes I have
lirath (12:55:34 PM): I'm trying to figure out what advice to give her if any
mPathytest (12:52:24 PM): now, you know -- I'm not scared of Nico, or at least, not scared enough to keep quiet like we were supposed to at first
mPathytest (12:52:33 PM): but a face to face meet up is unusual
lirath (12:56:11 PM): it worries me. We've advised her that it should be a place of her choosing, and very public
mPathytest (12:53:04 PM): what needs to be done in person that couldn't be done online or on some anonymous payphone if he's worried about tracing?
lirath (12:56:41 PM): exactly
mPathytest (12:53:55 PM): yes, public definitely, although we have to be worried about leakin the location
mPathytest (12:54:00 PM): we don't want other interested parties showing up
lirath (12:57:29 PM): well, it can be between Nico and Sharon, but still...
lirath (12:57:36 PM): it needs o be done right
mPathytest (12:54:37 PM): we should probably have her video tape the whole meeting
lirath (12:58:09 PM): how - secret camera? that'd be interesting - and a good idea
mPathytest (12:55:01 PM): to keep Nico on the up and up
mPathytest (12:55:06 PM): well, maybe not-so-secret camera
lirath (12:58:23 PM): but where would she get the equipment
lirath (12:58:40 PM): I can't see Nico talking with a camera on
mPathytest (12:55:31 PM): he can't make menacing threats if he's being recorded -- I"m mostly worried about Sharon being intimidated, you know?
mPathytest (12:55:49 PM): hmmm... maybe... but I am in favor of documenting and sharing as much as possible
mPathytest (12:55:54 PM): it's a tough call
lirath (12:59:10 PM): Certainly
mPathytest (12:56:00 PM): anyway I appreciate your input on this
lirath (12:59:26 PM): Yucky apparently is totally against any meeting at all
lirath (12:59:53 PM): I can see his point, but we DO need to know what Nico's deal is
lirath (1:00:23 PM): I'm tempted to advise her to go, but go carefully
mPathytest (12:57:44 PM): yes yes
mPathytest (12:57:50 PM): i am tempted to give the same advice
lirath (1:01:07 PM): cool
mPathytest (12:57:55 PM): okay i better run
mPathytest (12:58:01 PM): ttyl lirath!
lirath (1:01:17 PM): nice chatting, as always!

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 		I got an offline message from mPathytest while I was at the Doctors, this is very cool, as I havent mentioned to her in any direct chats that I'm from the UK...

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mPathytest (19:00:10): The UK gov has an oil shock action plan. Skim over the first few paragraphs to the list of concrete action items. This is VERY cool. Can't find a document like this for the US. I guess we're going to have to write it ourselves!
mpathytest signed off at 19:00:16.



http://www.og.dti.gov.uk/downstream/emergencies/down_emerge.htm
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cissmiace wrote:
I got an offline message from mPathytest while I was at the Doctors, this is very cool, as I havent mentioned to her in any direct chats that I'm from the UK...

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mPathytest (19:00:10): The UK gov has an oil shock action plan. Skim over the first few paragraphs to the list of concrete action items. This is VERY cool. Can't find a document like this for the US. I guess we're going to have to write it ourselves!
mpathytest signed off at 19:00:16.



http://www.og.dti.gov.uk/downstream/emergencies/down_emerge.htm


He sent the same thing to me, so I think it's a coincidence. Smile

EDIT: She. She said the same thing. I must get genders straight!
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poeticexplosion wrote:

He sent the same thing to me, so I think it's a coincidence. Smile


Ahhh damn me for getting excited Laughing
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poeticexplosion wrote:
cissmiace wrote:
I got an offline message from mPathytest while I was at the Doctors, this is very cool, as I havent mentioned to her in any direct chats that I'm from the UK...

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mPathytest (19:00:10): The UK gov has an oil shock action plan. Skim over the first few paragraphs to the list of concrete action items. This is VERY cool. Can't find a document like this for the US. I guess we're going to have to write it ourselves!
mpathytest signed off at 19:00:16.



http://www.og.dti.gov.uk/downstream/emergencies/down_emerge.htm


He sent the same thing to me, so I think it's a coincidence. Smile


I looked at this site. I'm confused; why, if it is a UK plan, is it listing speeds in Miles per Hour instead of Kilometers per Hour?

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 		ooo. I see my urban graffiti icon in the bottom right hand of the page. Cool!

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 		mPathy, how have I offended thee? I'm certain that the comment I left on the sci-fi personality test post went through the night before last, but now it is gone! I wrote who I was, shared my thoughts on the stories, and asked a few questions. And yet, mPathytest did leave a quick response on aim yesterday. I somehow doubt I offended the her, nor was I being weird or rambling off-topic. No, I think what I wrote was deleted because it was relevant, too relevant.

I wrote something along the lines of (but not exactly):
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Apparently I'm Gregory Benford. Thanks for sharing those stories by Tiptree/Sheldon, I've never read her stuff! The first story made me think of, well lots of newer stories, but particularly Oryx and Crake, which everyone I know had to read for our required Ethics of Emerging Technology course (have you read that story?) Scary, but makes you wonder what's scarier, humanity finding itself in a terrible state, or one person making a fateful choice for everyone against their will?
The second story disturbed the hell out of me. To lose one's ability to make choices by reason, by love or by what's good for us, that loss of will and judgement is really terrifying. Sort of like addiction (oh do you suppose that's our current circumstance though, with our oil addiction?) I suppose that's why my answer to your poll question about hacking my brain would be, what exactly would you have in (my) mind?


You'd think this would be perfect discussion stuff for mPathytest! But instead, it's just the stuff that she would rather not post publicly. If I thought she were going to talk to me privately about it later I might not post this right away, but maybe it's all secretive. SPEC: Maybe "one neural mod at a time" is not in the memetic sense, but a quite literal secret objective.

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WolfHawk wrote:
poeticexplosion wrote:
cissmiace wrote:
I got an offline message from mPathytest while I was at the Doctors, this is very cool, as I havent mentioned to her in any direct chats that I'm from the UK...

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mPathytest (19:00:10): The UK gov has an oil shock action plan. Skim over the first few paragraphs to the list of concrete action items. This is VERY cool. Can't find a document like this for the US. I guess we're going to have to write it ourselves!
mpathytest signed off at 19:00:16.



http://www.og.dti.gov.uk/downstream/emergencies/down_emerge.htm


He sent the same thing to me, so I think it's a coincidence. Smile


I looked at this site. I'm confused; why, if it is a UK plan, is it listing speeds in Miles per Hour instead of Kilometers per Hour?


Because we use MPH Very Happy
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 		I think that gracesmom is pretty clearly asking us for advice as to whether we think she should go to this meeting or not. It sounds ominous to me, so I vote no. She shouldn't go, she should send someone else.

I think anyone who chats with her might want to share their opinion. I'll figure out a way to give her my opinion too.
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rose wrote:
I think that gracesmom is pretty clearly asking us for advice as to whether we think she should go to this meeting or not.


Agreed. I went ahead and told her she should go, with someone else with her. I also set up a LiveJournal (link below) and made my AIM public in preparation.
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