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[ARG?] Hacksaw
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fairlane35
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this is my first ARG as well, but from lurking around, it seems like when everyone gets stuck, the PM will sometimes throw us a bone and help us out with another clue or something...or am i just hopeing for something more?

i really hope this turns out to be something...i'm a sucker for a girl with an accent... Very Happy

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:33 pm
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Rekidk
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Well, I think that we would've been getting some hints if the PMs expected us to move forward. I'm guessing that they're using this time to build a playerbase as they finish the creation of their material. Then again, I haven't been ARGing that long, either.
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someguy99
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Rekidk wrote:
I'm guessing that they're using this time to build a playerbase as they finish the creation of their material.


Thats a good point. The video was rather high in quality. I'm sure it takes time to do something like that. I say we give them a while to make more. The more time they have, the better the quality of the story (in theory).

Here's to hoping! /cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:47 pm
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benjaminjgreen
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Avenues

Hi,

Have tried googling & searching youtube for.........

binary revelations
hacksaw
elite hackers
the stac(k)
14 hackers
duck dodgers


..........but nothing!!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:07 pm
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konamouse
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You guys are all assuming this *is* an ARG.

You've done what you can - searched the internet for a related website that will offer more information. Reached out with email and posting comments in an attempt to contact the character who posted the video.

About all we can agree upon is the existence of this "alternate reality".

If it's a game (ARG), then something else will occur.

If it's marketing (ARM), then something else will occur.

About the only change we have seen so far is in the video tags. It's obvious that lots of email is being left on the YT account - maybe they have figured out how to respond in-character yet?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:52 pm
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soleta
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I know I, at least, was posting with the unwritten "if this is an ARG" rider.

In any case, I think we've been looking over this long enough to say that we haven't missed anything significant; therefore there's nothing left to do but wait. We'll learn more, or we won't.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:54 pm
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jmouse
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Has an agreement been reached on the 'code' in the barcode?

I personally think it is '70b9 23341 61 223b2', however, I have seen other interpretations.

It seems to be the only thing that really stands out as a potential puzzle. This seems like too glaring a 'clue' to ignore.

With so much attention being paid to the production details of the clip, I find it hard to believe that this is just a random sequence, thrown in there for no reason.

Has anyone figured out what that sequence might stand for?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:09 pm
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Jediwannabe
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Like most of the video in that clip, I think the Hacksaw title may just be stock footage. IMDB has a record of a TV show called Hacksaw released in the US in the early 70's - which would tie in with the visual style it uses and some of the other stock used in there.

No details of a synopsis though. I don't think we're missing anything with the barcode - just need to wait for a new video.

She asks us to Wardrive the video around the world, before she will reveal the story, which suggests to me that we are in the viral pre-arg phase of gathering interest and numbers.

The fact that tags and profile details keep changing is a clear indication that work is being done in the background, and it isn't just a dead end. I expect the game opener to be posted on YT and then have it lead us out from there.

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someguy99
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Jediwannabe wrote:
She asks us to Wardrive the video around the world, before she will reveal the story, which suggests to me that we are in the viral pre-arg phase of gathering interest and numbers.


In that case, do you think we should all do everything possible to get people interested? Maybe post the video on other places and tell everyone about it? I can upload a copy of the video so that we can easily distribute it if need be. Let me know if this is a good idea and I'll get cracking on it!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:45 pm
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jmouse
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this is probably way off mark, however, using Code39 barcoding it looks like you get:



767 is the area code for the Commonwealth of Dominica ( not to be confused with the Dominican Republic )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_767

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica

again, probably way off mark.

also probably nothing: assuming that the 'code' for the barcode is actually '7069 xxxxx xx xxxxx', please note that '7069' is the U.S. Patent Office classification for 'Data Processing: Artificial Intelligence, Defuzzification processing', whatever that means.

sorry, i just can't sit and twiddle my thumbs.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:56 am
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gulp
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Defuzzification is this:

A programmed system has a number of programs and parameters and stuff based on what it's looking at. For instance, say it's looking at cars. Length, heigth, color, weight, and driver might all be variables it takes into acount. The results from these variables give a general or "fuzzy" idea about what the object in question is. Say the system has a "fuzzy" idea that it is looking at a light blue American-made sedan.

Defuzzification comes along and, based on statistical things, assigns a less broad value to the object in question. Maybe based on the location, there are Chevy trucks, Ford sedans, and Dodge vans. Now, the system knows it is a light blue Ford sedan.

This is a very rough and not completely representative idea of defuzzification, but it's close enough. They use defuzzification systems in a lot of military aircraft that have missiles, such as the Apache attack helicopter.

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jmouse
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Defuzzification is this:


so. in other words, 'defuzzification' means to remove ambiguity and / or to further clarify the object/s it is processing, yes?

wouldn't this be an attribute of a self-aware computer? The ability to remove more and more ambiguity, or 'fuzzyness', from its 'thought processes', like humans do?

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carmenmiranda
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jmouse wrote:
Being a noob at ARG's I was wondering if those of you with more experience at this could tell me if this is the normal way an ARG works?
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Could this long pause mean that we have already been given all the information that we need to go to the next level but we just need to find


In my (very limited) experience with ARGs, this is what I can tell you:

Either it's significant or it's not.

Really, most of your time will be spent trying to figure out what is significant and what isn't. You might spend ages trying to solve a puzzle and then you get the second half of the key--and receiving it is your first clue that there was a second half in the first place.

Or we could spend the next two weeks trying to decode the barcode, just to find out that the barcode was completely irrelevant, and the "real" clue is in the list of how the hackers died. Or there's some significance in the shade of orange used in the Hacksaw logo.

It's all part of the fun.

On the other hand, this could not be the beginning of an ARG at all, and we've just spent hours dissecting a viral marketing campaign.

Think of an ARG as a semi-healthy outlet for your OCD.

By the way, I don't think this is terribly significant, but the word "FAIL" appears in the lower left of the video as well.

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gulp
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so. in other words, 'defuzzification' means to remove ambiguity and / or to further clarify the object/s it is processing, yes?

wouldn't this be an attribute of a self-aware computer? The ability to remove more and more ambiguity, or 'fuzzyness', from its 'thought processes', like humans do?


Yes to the first question. However, the basic fact that defuzzification has to be programmed in and is based on mathematical algorithms separates true AI from what is right now known as AI. True AI would be able to learn and adapt its own programming based on that learning, like Pavlov's dog. Defuzzification, while at a cursory glance may look like the product of self-awareness, is actually just the result of very advanced programs.

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jmouse
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Defuzzification, while at a cursory glance may look like the product of self-awareness, is actually just the result of very advanced programs.


I agree that 'Defuzzification' is something that would currently be programmed into a computer, but wouldn't 'Defuzzification' be exactly the type of process that would need to be programmed into a computer that could eventually lead to it's self-awareness?

the ability to sift through massive amounts of extraneous perceptual data and reduce it to discrete, cognizable 'objects' is what allows humans to make decisions / determinations about the environment around them, thus becoming 'self-aware'.

if STAC is truly self-aware, I would speculate that 'Defuzzification' is a necessary component of that self-awareness.

unless of course, computer sentience is just an off-shoot of the amount of data and processing power available to a computer, as a lot of scifi is based on. Smile

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