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Myssfitz
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I received a reply from Professor Whiting. And I am posting my reply. I hope this helps us. (I did not include "us" when I was writing back. I didn't want to alarm him in any way, yet Smile ).

Dear Ms. (Myss?) Fitz:

I am Professor Whiting's administrative assistant. I'm afraid your inquiry raises more questions than it answers. You say you are trying to help Mr. Sprague with some personal problems. Are you assisting him in a professional capacity (doctor, therapist, lawyer, etc.) or just a personal friend or acquaintance. What sort of problems could he be having that a retired Professor of Classics and Antiquities could help with?

You are far from the first person to contact the Professor in recent weeks about Dale Sprague. While the Professor is always willing to help his former students, he does not wish to 'talk out of school' about them to strangers. If you can be more specific about your relationship to Dale and
the nature of the problems you seek help with, I will be happy to direct your inquiry to the Professor.

Very truly yours,
Erica Sundstrom



Dear Ms. Sundstrom,

I am a personal friend of Dale Sprague. I'm not sure really where I should begin. On February 28th, 2003, I received a letter from Dale asking me for my help. (If you need to see that letter, so you know he really did ask for my help, please let me know. I may be a stranger to you and Professor Whiting, but I assure you, I am not to Dale). He had gotten into some trouble (money problems) and had decided to tell his wife. His wife was furious and ended up leaving and she took their daughter with her. Dale went home to kill himself. When he pulled the trigger, this "man" showed up and granted him a wish. Dale wished that his family never knew of his problems and that he would receive enough money to pay off his debt. Well, the "Wish" made it happen. Only not how Dale meant it too. His family was killed and the insurance money was more than enough to pay off his debt.
I am now helping Dale to find this Wish and straighten things out. It hasn't been easy and so much more is involved. But I figure this should be enough to let Professor Whiting know, for now. Professor Whiting has come up as one of Dale's college professor's. With Professor Whiting's background, I thought he may be able to help. And for Dale to mention him, he must be important.
I hope that this enough for you to let Professor Whiting know. And as I said before, I think this should get us started and of course if more information is needed, I will be happy to give you what I can. If you or Professor Whiting have any more questions please just ask me. I will answer if I can. The information I have given you is pretty much common knowledge, so I don't feel I am betraying Dale's trust at all. If there is something I feel may betray his trust, I hope that you will both respect my answer (or non answer). I will certainly ask Dale first if I can pass on any questionable information.
Professor Whiting also has a link on his web page to "The Answer Project". Dale was involved with the intial stages of that site with Mr. Peter Fishtap (or Peter Fishwycke). When all of Dale's problems started, he wasn't able to help Peter finish. Dale is a web designer and was also working on his own Human Interface Project. Again, since his tragedy struck, that has also been put on the back burner.
Let me expand a little on Professor Whiting's background and it may help with why I know he can help us. In our search to help Dale, we have come across many different religions, ancient history, and many different areas of Mythology. And the biggest is the possible fourth book written by Johannes Trithemius in his Stenography series. With Professor Whiting currently translating and evaluating ancient mansuscripts and sacred artifacts, I know he can help. I have studied a few of pages from the supposed manuscript. I am no expert, but I think the title is "Hidden Truth" or "Chasing the Wish". Another page seems to list symbols for our planets or they may mean to represent the angels associated with those planets. And since I am chasing the Wish for Dale, this book, I think, is our key. I am quite confident that Professor Whiting can translate the pages for me and Dale. I have attached the pages. You can also find more information on the pictures at http://www.missingmanuscript.com/page6.html. Knowing Professor Whiting's background, I don't think he'll pass this oppourtunity up (or at least I hope not). I do not mean to sound so bold, but I know I love a good mystery and I can not let things go unfinished, and I am hoping that Professor Whiting will feel the same. I have to know the meaning of things.
Thank you for writing back to me. I hope to hear from you and Professor Whiting in the very near future. Time is of the essence.

Sincerely,

Ms. Fitz/Myssfitz


I sent 3 pictures of the Missing Manuscript.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:04 am
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konamouse
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Finally got passed the assistent to the Professor

Ms. Ross:

Dear me, some of your works sound quite lurid. Mob hit men, and women
trying to make their way in a male-dominated military institution. It
helps explain why your name rang no bells. I'm afraid that such topics
would not have much interest to me. Likely you would think the same of my work, translating old texts and seeking artifacts right out of the
pages of mythology.

If I take your meaning correctly, your current research about another
'connected' family means more mobsters and organized crime, does it not? If such is the case, I cannot imagine what your interest in my former
student Dale Sprague would be. I have always known him to be an
upstanding citizen -- indeed, I would describe him as quite the romantic about the notion of heroic idealism. I believe that is what drew him to my
course on Mythology as History in the first place.

I am afraid that I know little about Mr. Sprague's current whereabouts
or activities, other than the fact that you are one of several people
who have recently asked me about him. I hope this does not mean he is
any sort of trouble. Although it has been quite a while since we were
teacher and student, I have fond memories of Dale, and hope you find him doing well.

Sincerely,
Richard Whiting


> Miss Sundstrom,
>
> I am primarily a biography-type writer and was doing
> background research for a possible book on another
> connected family in New Jersey. Here are a couple of
> the books that I have been an author:
>
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/ray%2Dpeat.htm
>
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=331461F0L2&isbn=0689840020&itm=4
>
> When I was perusing the Penn State page for
> information on a possible contact for my next book, I
> found the faculty news letter pages in the archives.
> As usual, I am easily distracted and found myself
> clicking on webpage links from the newsletter page.
> Professor Whiting's page was one of them and I liked
> the design very much.
>
> Actually, now that we are in communication, maybe you
> can ask the Professor if he can recall a student from
> around 1989 or 1990 (I'm not sure if my contact was in
> any of his classes but you never know). I was in the
> Penn State web looking into a graduate from 1990 (or
> 1991) named Dale Sprague. If you or Professor Whiting
> knows anything about him, I'd appreciate setting up a
> dialogue interview for my next book.
>
> Thank you,
> Mary Jane Ross
>
>
> --- Richard Whiting
> <professor@professorwhiting.4t.com> wrote:
> > Ms. Ross:
> >
> > I will forward your request on to the Professor, but
> > am a bit confused by it. If your only interest is in
> > the website designer, what caused you to look in on
> > our website in the first place? Do you routinely
> > scan academic websites for design tips, rather than
> > the search for knowledge? You might have better luck
> > just contacting some web design firms directly,
> > because you would be able to see the whole range of
> > their talents instead of an isolated example.
> >
> > If the Professor is to respond, it would be helpful
> > to know a bit more about you. What sort of author
> > are you, and what might you have written that Doctor
> > Whiting would be familiar with? I don't mean to
> > suggest that the Professor would not speak with you
> > if you are not yet published, only that he is more
> > likely to take time from his busy schedule for
> > people whose interests are compatible with his own.
> >
> > Very truly yours,
> > Erica Sundstrom
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:32 am
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phensley
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Ms. Hensley:

My apologies for inserting myself in the process here. Thought you
should know that the Professor is out of town for several days delivering a
paper. However, yours is one of several letters that will be on his
desk on his return. All of you have identified the gruesome details of
things that have happened to this poor man. Although I am not certain how much an academic like the Professor can help, I'm sure he will do
whatever he can.

The Mythology as History course was much as it sounds. It is an
exploration of some of the great sagas of myth (the Labors of Hercules, the Golden Fleece, Beowulf, etc.), and the premise that many of these tales are grounded in the true history of that time. From the many accolades I have seen from his former students, I think it was a very popular class.

Erica Sundstrom

Wonder what paper he is out delivering? And to whom?

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I went to googling after receiving the above email and found.

The goddess Hera, determined to make trouble for Hercules, made him lose his mind. In a confused and angry state, he killed his own wife and children.

When he awakened from his "temporary insanity," Hercules was shocked and upset by what he'd done. He prayed to the god Apollo for guidance, and the god's oracle told him he would have to serve Eurystheus, the king of Tiryns and Mycenae, for twelve years, in punishment for the murders.

As part of his sentence, Hercules had to perform twelve Labors, feats so difficult that they seemed impossible. Fortunately, Hercules had the help of Hermes and Athena, sympathetic deities who showed up when he really needed help. By the end of these Labors, Hercules was, without a doubt, Greece's greatest hero.

His struggles made Hercules the perfect embodiment of an idea the Greeks called pathos, the experience of virtuous struggle and suffering which would lead to fame and, in Hercules' case, immortality.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hercules/labors.html

Beowulf , written in Old English sometime before the tenth century A.D., describes the adventures of a great Scandinavian warrior of the sixth century

http://www.lone-star.net/literature/beowulf/

The teachings of the prof were of heros and their quests. They were all chasing something (thank you kona) Don't know what all this means, but maybe someone can go somewhere with all this.

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phensley wrote:


The teachings of the prof were of heros and their quests. They were all chasing something (thank you kona) Don't know what all this means, but maybe someone can go somewhere with all this.


Pam try this on for size.. Campbell's Hero's Journey
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/heroj.html

I'd speculate that Dale is somewhere in the initiation section of going through trials.

This "should" end with Dale mastering two worlds and being free to live his life if this is the path being followed.
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EMAIL: The Professor might help:-)

Dear Myss Fitz:

I have left a copy of your mail on the Professor's desk. He is out of town for a few days presenting a paper, but I must say that I find your story quite extraordinary, and cannot imagine that the
Professor will not do whatever he can to help.

Erica Sundstrom

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[quote="Magesteff]Pam try this on for size.. Campbell's Hero's Journey
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/heroj.html

I'd speculate that Dale is somewhere in the initiation section of going through trials.

This "should" end with Dale mastering two worlds and being free to live his life if this is the path being followed.[/quote]

I like this magesteff.

Here's a few links that expand on the steps...

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/afira/roleplaying/handbook/heros.html

for those of you who compare everything to star wars (not that I would ever do that Rolling Eyes )... http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sffilm/mmswtab.html

and from this site...

1. The Ordinary World of the hero with its suffering, boredom and neurotic anguish. Dale when he was working with Bruce?

2. A Call to Adventure when the ordinary world is no longer endurable and the hero is ripe for change. Dale on his own, having created synthasia?

3. Refusal of the Call when the hero is scared, even terrified at first, and avoids the challenge. Dale owes lots of money and is ready to kill himself

4. Meeting a Mentor who acknowledges, supports and spurs the hero onward. Enter the Wish?

5. Crossing the First Threshold when the hero begins to feel really weird, and gets very scared. Dale accepts the Wish's offer and his family dies?

6. Tests, Allies and Enemies when the hero feels greater stress and anxiety than ever before, is tempted to pack the whole thing in but finds people who can help, and often a few dangerous ones who can hurt. Dale contacts us and begins our adventure?

7. Approach to the Inmost Cave where the hero glimpses the dark side of his true, hidden self, the side he's always denied for most of his life.


8. The Supreme Ordeal in which the hero attempts to use those parts of his true self that terrified and shamed him before.

9. Reward for Seizing the Sword when the hero slowly discovers new passion and begins to feel a steady, daily glow from harnessing the power of his true self.

10. The Road Back when the hero must adjust his new-found passion to the demands of the ordinary world, a trying time for imaginative heroes impatient with bureaucracies and the tedious people who inhabit them.

11. Resurrection when the hero glimpses his impending death, takes his "What have I done with my life?" exam and grades himself.

12. Return with the Elixir when the hero shares what he's learned with younger heroes and heroines in the ordinary world.

What do ya think?
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Just spec'ing out loud.... feel free to rip apart.. Wink

sjct wrote:
I think this is a great overview of the overall story arc in ctw. Could Dale's disappearance
this past weekend be his "symbolic death"? I guess we'll know if he meets the Goddess
(Sarah?) next... We'll definitely know where we are if he gets some kind of "atonement"
with his as yet unrevealed father.



I wonder now if Dale's "test and ordeal" are over because this last week was the "dragon-battle"? Was JD the dragon? Then as sjct suggested his disappearance would be the near-death experience? I guess we won't know until Dale tells us what happened. Next would be his meeting with the goddess and the atonement to recognition of his father. Is his father someone besides who he thinks? The Don? Or Wes? Dale=Todd? Guess that doesn't make much sense. Although if he were that would lead us to the next step of Dale's apotheosis since Todd was seen by Iris at Pine Barrens.
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Quote:
7. Approach to the Inmost Cave where the hero glimpses the dark side of his true, hidden self, the side he's always denied for most of his life.


Dales trip to the other side and his "visions" until the White mythosphere helpers figured out the ceremony to pull him back to us.

Quote:
8. The Supreme Ordeal in which the hero attempts to use those parts of his true self that terrified and shamed him before.


His research and then his meeting with Don at the end of May?

I dunno, Dale's adventure may have some of these steps combined. It's getting close to the completion of his journey and if we can find the damn wand, maybe we can catch this elusive Wish.
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